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We have a new forum - Christian Preppers . It is a forum to inform and encourage believers to prepare times of trouble, whether they are natural disasters or man made. Check it out!
 

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This could be very interesting. I have been following the preppers movement for a while and have done a small amount of preparation myself, such as getting a generator for power outages, composting for small farming and looking into getting a solar roof from elon musk. One of the issues I am debating is the fire arms. Many preppers are not necessarily Christian, but are patriots and big supporters of the 2nd amendment. I am still wrestling with this point because I read the teachings of Jesus to be one of non-resistance. I would love to hear about other believer's point of view on this matter.
 
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remember Jesus' direction to the disciples to take with them two swords to the garden that night?
one sword was used by Peter to chop off the ear of one of the guards (thus providing a teaching moment for Jesus)
but of what use was the second sword for????

we don't see any further mention of it, but Jesus thought it necessary.
 
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This could be very interesting. I have been following the preppers movement for a while and have done a small amount of preparation myself, such as getting a generator for power outages, composting for small farming and looking into getting a solar roof from elon musk. One of the issues I am debating is the fire arms. Many preppers are not necessarily Christian, but are patriots and big supporters of the 2nd amendment. I am still wrestling with this point because I read the teachings of Jesus to be one of non-resistance. I would love to hear about other believer's point of view on this matter.
At the end of the age I believe the Lord has called us up to fight. We are to fight for our right to be Christians and not take it lying down. Thats why He says in Joel 3:10 " Beat your plowshares into swords and your pruning hooks into spears. Let the weakling say I am strong! Come quickly all you nations from every side and assemble there. Bring down your warriors O LORD!"
That is concerning The Day of the LORD. or Corintheans 2 10:4....(its not in front of me and i dare not misquote it) but the answer lies there too. And of course wear the Armor of God because those are the best weapons!!
 
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remember Jesus' direction to the disciples to take with them two swords to the garden that night?
one sword was used by Peter to chop off the ear of one of the guards (thus providing a teaching moment for Jesus)
but of what use was the second sword for????

we don't see any further mention of it, but Jesus thought it necessary.
I do remember. Hence the debate in my mind. This is a one time admonition, but the bulk of his teaching is against this. So it is evident from this that there is a time and place for a believer to fight, but this seems to be the exception not the rule.
 
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At the end of the age I believe the Lord has called us up to fight. We are to fight for our right to be Christians and not take it lying down. Thats why He says in Joel 3:10 " Beat your plowshares into swords and your pruning hooks into spears. Let the weakling say I am strong! Come quickly all you nations from every side and assemble there. Bring down your warriors O LORD!"
That is concerning The Day of the LORD. or Corintheans 2 10:4....(its not in front of me and i dare not misquote it) but the answer lies there too. And of course wear the Armor of God because those are the best weapons!!
Thanks Jaxxi. I am hesitant to interpret New Testament teaching through the Old Testament. That is not to say we can not use the Old Testament. It is just that we view the Old Testament as the New Testament concealed and the New Testament as the Old Testament revealed.

My main question regarding self defense is where is the line? Proverbs says the horse is prepared for battle, but the battle belongs to the Lord (21:31). The LORD is our shield and defense. We are to trust the Lord for our protection. So when does trust in the Lord turn into trust that the Lord moves through action on our part?
 
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Thanks Jaxxi. I am hesitant to interpret New Testament teaching through the Old Testament. That is not to say we can not use the Old Testament. It is just that we view the Old Testament as the New Testament concealed and the New Testament as the Old Testament revealed.

That is the wrong way to see the two. First, there should be no old and new. It is one bible; from Genesis to Revelation. Everything in it is equally relevant.

If you must consider them separately, the new must stand on the old. Anything in the new testament must have a basis in the old or you are misinterpreting it. God doesn't change, and neither do his commands. Jesus brought the interpretation of the scriptures that man had missed. He didn't change anything in them, because to do so would make him or God a liar.
 
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The old Testament portrays a violent and at times evil God, unlike the loving Father Jesus portrayed, I doubt much of the OT was God (some parts were indeed from God) but rather the nation of Israel playing the God card to approve their massacres and wars.

Jesus himself said that they didnt know him or his Father.

Anything Pre or Post Jesus that contradicts or doesnt agree 100% with Jesus isn't worth the paper its written on.
 
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That is the wrong way to see the two. First, there should be no old and new. It is one bible; from Genesis to Revelation. Everything in it is equally relevant.

If you must consider them separately, the new must stand on the old. Anything in the new testament must have a basis in the old or you are misinterpreting it. God doesn't change, and neither do his commands. Jesus brought the interpretation of the scriptures that man had missed. He didn't change anything in them, because to do so would make him or God a liar.

This is a rabbit trail away from the main point of my concern. I asked where we draw the line for trusting God for self defence non violently and trusting God in self defence through violence.

Since Richard R as well as Pat34Lee have commented on this point I will answer once. It is true, Pat, that God is the author of both Old and New Testaments. All scriptures are inspired of God (2 Tim. 3:16). Richard, it is a dangerous hermeneutic path to think that some parts of the Old Testament are by God and others by man alone. That path will cause you to pick and choose what you want to believe, and move you away from the Truth.

Pat, as a messianic believer I understand your cultural hold on the Old Testament. However, that covenant had one purpose, to show our inability earn our own righteousness through works. And it was given to one family, Israel, not the gentiles. Paul makes it clear in Romans that the law was given as a ministry of condemnation (5:16, 18 & 8:1)and the writer of Hebrews shows that the New Covenant was a better covenant.

Which brings me back to my earlier point in this thread. We should not look to justifying violence for self defence based upon the Old Testament as Christians. It was pointed out by another commentator that Jesus said that there was a time to sell your garments and buy swords (Luke 22:36), but he also said to Peter after he cut off the servant's ear, that those who live by the sword will die by the sword (Matt. 26:52). So my question remains, where is the line?

Finally, I find it annoying when people jump into a conversation without listening long enough to know what the topic is and comment on their favorite pet peeve. At least show that you know what the conversation is by commenting on that topic first, then toss in your pet peeve. I did not start this thread. The thread is on Prepping. I merely began a topic within that topic of the 2nd amendment and where does a Christian Prepper stand on the use of guns for prepping.
 
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This is a rabbit trail away from the main point of my concern. I asked where we draw the line for trusting God for self defence non violently and trusting God in self defence through violence.

Since Richard R as well as Pat34Lee have commented on this point I will answer once. It is true, Pat, that God is the author of both Old and New Testaments. All scriptures are inspired of God (2 Tim. 3:16). Richard, it is a dangerous hermeneutic path to think that some parts of the Old Testament are by God and others by man alone. That path will cause you to pick and choose what you want to believe, and move you away from the Truth.

Pat, as a messianic believer I understand your cultural hold on the Old Testament. However, that covenant had one purpose, to show our inability earn our own righteousness through works. And it was given to one family, Israel, not the gentiles. Paul makes it clear in Romans that the law was given as a ministry of condemnation (5:16, 18 & 8:1)and the writer of Hebrews shows that the New Covenant was a better covenant.

Which brings me back to my earlier point in this thread. We should not look to justifying violence for self defence based upon the Old Testament as Christians. It was pointed out by another commentator that Jesus said that there was a time to sell your garments and buy swords (Luke 22:36), but he also said to Peter after he cut off the servant's ear, that those who live by the sword will die by the sword (Matt. 26:52). So my question remains, where is the line?

Finally, I find it annoying when people jump into a conversation without listening long enough to know what the topic is and comment on their favorite pet peeve. At least show that you know what the conversation is by commenting on that topic first, then toss in your pet peeve. I did not start this thread. The thread is on Prepping. I merely began a topic within that topic of the 2nd amendment and where does a Christian Prepper stand on the use of guns for prepping.

This thread is an announcement about a forum for Christian Preppers.
It would be worth reading the
Christian Preppers Statement of Purpose
 
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I do remember. Hence the debate in my mind. This is a one time admonition, but the bulk of his teaching is against this. So it is evident from this that there is a time and place for a believer to fight, but this seems to be the exception not the rule.

Ec 3:1 To every thing there is a season, and a time to every purpose under the heaven:
2 A time to be born, and a time to die; a time to plant, and a time to pluck up that which is planted;
3 A time to kill, and a time to heal; a time to break down, and a time to build up;
4 A time to weep, and a time to laugh; a time to mourn, and a time to dance;
5 A time to cast away stones, and a time to gather stones together; a time to embrace, and a time to refrain from embracing;
6 A time to get, and a time to lose; a time to keep, and a time to cast away;
7 A time to rend, and a time to sew; a time to keep silence, and a time to speak;
8 A time to love, and a time to hate; a time of war, and a time of peace.

You really have to learn how to "tell time". :pray: :wave:
 
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We have a new forum - Christian Preppers . It is a forum to inform and encourage believers to prepare times of trouble, whether they are natural disasters or man made. Check it out!
This is wisdom...There are examples in Gods Word about preparing for lean times. Our Lord is a Lord of common sense...
 
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This could be very interesting. I have been following the preppers movement for a while and have done a small amount of preparation myself, such as getting a generator for power outages, composting for small farming and looking into getting a solar roof from elon musk. One of the issues I am debating is the fire arms. Many preppers are not necessarily Christian, but are patriots and big supporters of the 2nd amendment. I am still wrestling with this point because I read the teachings of Jesus to be one of non-resistance. I would love to hear about other believer's point of view on this matter.

Your wrestling will end when you follow >
Revelation 3:20
“Look! I have been standing at the door, and I am constantly knocking. If anyone hears me calling him and opens the door, I will come in and fellowship with him and he with me.

Have fellowship with Jesus and He will answer your specific question.
Remember Christ is a warrior also >
Revelation 19:12-14Living Bible (TLB)

12 His eyes were like flames, and on his head were many crowns... 13 He was clothed with garments dipped in blood, and his title was “The Word of God." 14 The armies of heaven.... followed him on white horses.

Arms to protect your life, arms to protect family...The question is should we all lay down in front of our enemies and the Lords enemies and allow the eradication of His Presence and Holy Spirit through us thereby allowing our enemy to conquer and win? If this is not allowed in the Spirit realm then why in the natural?
 
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While prepping can be good, I hope no one feels driven to do it out of fear. God will provide for His people! Unless He Himself is telling you out of the blue to prep for disasters, just have faith. Don't overthink it. It's alright to have something in case of emergencies, but don't ever let fear drive you towards that way. :)
 
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AlexDTX said:
Thanks Jaxxi. I am hesitant to interpret New Testament teaching through the Old Testament. That is not to say we can not use the Old Testament. It is just that we view the Old Testament as the New Testament concealed and the New Testament as the Old Testament revealed.
That is the wrong way to see the two. First, there should be no old and new. It is one bible; from Genesis to Revelation. Everything in it is equally relevant.

If you must consider them separately, the new must stand on the old. Anything in the new testament must have a basis in the old or you are misinterpreting it. God doesn't change, and neither do his commands. Jesus brought the interpretation of the scriptures that man had missed. He didn't change anything in them, because to do so would make him or God a liar.
I would agree! Good post

http://www.christianforums.com/threads/allusions-in-revelation-from-old-testament.7588850/

I find this person's view concerning the "allusions" found in the book of Revelation that are found in the Old Testament/Covenant rather fascinating.
Would anyone like to put down verses from Revelation and the verses from the OT/OC that are alluded to this? I think that would be fun. Thanks

THE SYMBOLISM IN BOOK OF REVELATION

One man studied and found 348 allusions (not illusions, Light) in Revelation from the Old Testament. You see the similarity in wording and the context mirrored in Revelation and the particular Old Testament story, and immediately can recognize the reference source! That’s, IF you know the bible well enough to even notice that.

95 of the 348 plain references used in Revelation as taken from the Old Testament are repeated in Revelation.
That makes about 250 Old Testament passages are cited. How many chapters are in Revelation? 22. That makes about TEN OLD TESTAMENT REFERENCES FOR EVERY CHAPTER!

How about the Song of Moses :angel:



Exodus 15:
1 Then Mosheh is singing and sons of Yisra'el this song to YHVH and they are saying to say of "I shall sing to YHVH that to exalt He exalts. Horse and one riding of him He heaved into the sea [Reve 15:3]
2 Strenghth of me and melody of Yah. And He becoming to me for salvation. This one El of me and I shall adorn Him, Elohiym of father of me and I shall exalt Him"
21 And Miriam is responding to them "sing ye to YHVH that to be triumphant He is triumphant, horse and rider He heaved into Sea.

Reve 15:3 And they are singing the Song of Moses, the bond-servant of the God and the Song of the Lambkin saying "great and marvelous the Works of Thee Lord! the God, the Almighty.
Just and true the ways of Thee, the King of the saints" [*ages/*nations].
[Exodus 15]



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