Food storage

FreeinChrist · Aug 29, 2015

You are right about toilet paper. That is so important to remember.

Fireinfolding · Aug 29, 2015

paul1149 said:
Wow, thanks for such a detailed reply. This confirms to me that rotation really is a challenge. As I see it, if you store enough food to get you through an emergency, at some point that's a sizable amount of food that needs to be consumed before it goes bad. The longer the emergency you are putting by for, the closer you are getting to a delayed but constant rotation in which you are eating primarily out of your stores. That presents problems with cost of the food, the amount of labor spent on food preparation, and with the appeal of the food, because lacking an actual emergency most of the food is going to be consumed during normal times, and eating “k-rations” on an extended basis may not be appreciated. And there's also the space consideration you mentioned.

My extent of storing up has included bulk honey, beans and flour. Currently all I have is flour, as I make my own bread (which is great because it saves a LOT of money (I have a good local source of flour) and fresh whole wheat bread is great to have around). At that level, rotation wasn’t an issue, because each foodstuff was only supplementing my food requirements. But if one is to prepare for a total meltdown, the issue needs to be approached at a whole other level. And it seems to me the logistics get daunting at that level.

I still have fond memories of going to my uncle Bud and aunt Stella's house and having a small glass of “Manischewitz” sweet concord grape wine. Those were back in the days when America was free, and one could give his kids a touch of wine on a holiday without being reported for child abuse. I have a friend who enjoys the finer things in life, like real balsamic vinegar, which is astronomical in cost. Most probably she's headed for bankruptcy court soon.

Back to the subject, I think I'm going to go for storage that I can handle, on the level of incorporating it into my normal life – beans, flour, drinking water and whatever else I can think of and have room for.

I'm told that toilet paper is solid gold when the lights really go out. This testimony came from the Balkans when extended civil war hit there several years ago. Also big were unregistered guns, and ammo.

I'm amazed that food reserves are able to go 14-20 years in storage. I actually don't see much advantage to that in the real world though.

Thats where I started Paul, and I try to keep my head about it, our house isnt paid off, typically you might have 6 months if you had to foreclose, that would likely be around a year (at that time) if it ever comes to that. After that what the heck can you do with anything more beyond that without a place to stay?

Although I have thought, hmmm... I could barter myself here, and say take me in and I'll keep you alive with the rest my food for such and such a time ^_^

I cant do much beyond storing a little because I am not physically able enough to garden in order to fend for myself (in any long term situation). So it doesnt seem to make sense preparing beyond a certain point.

Im just poop out of luck if it goes beyond a certain point.

I was sort of conflicted in spending so much time/money (preparing beforehand) for just one year. Beyond that (given the space we have and the resources) it just doesnt make sense.

When its time to go its time to go.

I thought, maybe some Joseph will appear (as one under a Pharoah) who has saved up grains for the nation or something. But that doesnt seem possible seeing the U.S reserves for grain are depleted.

So, "fried grubs here we come" ^_^

Unless ofcourse it was Joseph depleted them?

(I was trying to see the glass half full) lol

Oh and by the way "Manischewitz" is the one wine I like (thats the Jewish koolaid stuff I mentioned earlier). And now that I think about it liking it, might be because I have childhood attachments to the same. Because a child could take a sip and wouldnt be anything more then a sip of koolaid anyway. My sister makes fun of my palate, the cheap sweet stuff is right up my alley, I dont really like the actual "taste" of alcohol.

Being able to suppliment as you are doing is great, I enjoy making bread as well,

What I thought was really filling and needed so few ingredients but so tasty is making buttery soft pretzels. They are less finicky then bread, a little heavier (more filling) and diverse You can just make them as pretzels or rolls (use as bread) or as a stromboli crust, wrapped around hotdogs etc.

This is a wonderful (no fail) recipe. Has never failed me

http://allrecipes.com/recipe/buttery-soft-pretzels/?mxt=t06dda

paul1149 · Aug 29, 2015

Thanks, will definitely look into that. Funny, I have had making pretzels rolling around in the back of my mind for months. I used to come up with children's stories on the fly, and keep thinking of a plot with two guys who discover pretzels. One guy cheats the other, but the second guy comes up with dry mass-marketed pretzels and ends up making more money than the first guy. But my kids are too old for my stories now.

I want to be prepared, but I don't want to lose my peace about it. So I'll do what I can and trust the Lord for the rest. As you say, when it is time to go, it is time to go.

Fireinfolding · Aug 29, 2015

Also know your leaves (for toilet paper) because if you run out you dont want to get poison ivy on your fragile little areas

^_^

Heres an idea (this is what we have looked at and actually prepared for). Reusable toilet paper. You can probably just watch a few youtube videos on the cloth toilet paper idea.

Sounds gross eh'? ^_^

We are not doing that yet (as we can still afford toilet paper) however we have prepared in that direction (buying thousands of cloths). I purchased many from a woman who was sewing them (colored seams to separate for whichever use). I found her over at etsy's, but I cant find her at this moment, an image search on the various ones out there yeilds similar. But I went on a washcloth binge buying season, to stock up on various shammys and micro towels, and diaper thick cloths, baby wash cloths and ordered these absorbant wash cloths for that purpose. We still stocked on toilet paper a few hundred rolls of scotts, but for the longer term (and to save room and futher cost) these. Although sort of gross, you gotta do what you gotta do. So I have stored up on cloths instead (some youtube videos show how they do it, as each family is different).

Now I do the same for paper towels, I use all my husbands old (soft tee shirts) and I cut them up to around the size of a paper towel (just a little larger for ease of use). Then after I get enough squares I roll them into what looks like a paper towel roll (but its a tee shirt roll).

Now I have stored up papertowels too, but I couldnt see how I would live without those (altogether) but I have started weaning myself (as far as I am able to) by cutting the paper towels into smaller portions as well.

Heres the idea of reusable toilet paper

These are what we have (and hundreds of them for that)

And various others

Heres the idea for reusable in paper towels

Which are far more elegant then my husbands old tee shirts ^_^

But Im beyond that point (of being elegant), I do have several of them made (in various colors) and so getting them gross will not cause me pause (as the above ones might) thats too cute to get dirty lol

I have to stay away from cute, it doesnt help

I thought they were great ideas though, when the toilet paper runs out you have prepared for that.

Ought to tide you over

Fireinfolding · Aug 29, 2015

paul1149 said:
Thanks, will definitely look into that. Funny, I have had making pretzels rolling around in the back of my mind for months. I used to come up with children's stories on the fly, and keep thinking of a plot with two guys who discover pretzels. One guy cheats the other, but the second guy comes up with dry mass-marketed pretzels and ends up making more money than the first guy. But my kids are too old for my stories now.

I want to be prepared, but I don't want to lose my peace about it. So I'll do what I can and trust the Lord for the rest. As you say, when it is time to go, it is time to go.

If you try those you come back and tell me, they are just so good (got excellent reviews too). They become pretty easy to make as you do it a couple of times.

My husband wanted to open a philadelphia pretzel down here in SC, and I told him nothing that tastes decent from up north seems to make it down south.

I would love a HOAGIE though.

I so miss those lol

Good way to resolve yourself, not to lose your peace. I sometimes lose my peace about it with my husband because he wouldnt see an edge of a cliff coming up on him if there was a neon sign that said, "CLIFF AHEAD"

I always use that titanic scenario, he is my husband (the head of me) and the captain of this ship, and I might be picking up an iceberg ahead but I am still subject to the captain (who is in denial about things). THAT is probably the hardest thing for me to deal with (because I still need his okay). A good wife doesnt bring her household or husband harm but I am limited to his consent and by designed I need to fall in behind him.

Where I typically stand telling him I TOLD YA SO (alot)
but that just serves my desire to blow off some steam (and get some kind of acknowledgment from him)
But it also serves to tick him off (so I shouldnt do that) ^_^

(Its just so hard not to that lol)

paul1149 · Aug 29, 2015

Some good ideas re paper towels and TP. I would seriously recommend a bidet attachment to the toilet for more normal times when there still is water pressure. TP usage is cut way down, and the end result is much better. I recently bought my first Scott paper towels ever - I use a lot in my laptop refurb biz - and they are the most unpleasant towel I have ever used. Simply fall apart, leaving lint everywhere. Will never buy again. Using cloths is a good idea.

This is far afield from the subject, but good on you for upholding marriage ideals. When the disciples were out in the boat after the resurrection, Peter wasn't the first one to recognize Jesus on the shore. A wise leader will listen to those around him; they may be seeing more clearly than he.

Peter then commends Sarah for her godliness:

For this is how the holy women who hoped in God used to adorn themselves, by submitting to their own husbands, as Sarah obeyed Abraham, calling him lord. And you are her children, if you do good and do not fear anything that is frightening. -1Pet 3:5-6

I wondered what that last line was doing there. Then I saw that even when Sarah was taken to the kings' chambers, twice, although things looked terribly bleak she did not fear. Every woman wants a man who will stand up for her, but here Abraham was holding back. Perhaps that was the wisest thing to do, I'm not sure, but it wasn't easy. But God protected Abraham and Sarah.

Fireinfolding · Aug 29, 2015

paul1149 said:
Some good ideas re paper towels and TP. I would seriously recommend a bidet attachment to the toilet for more normal times when there still is water pressure. TP usage is cut way down, and the end result is much better. I recently bought my first Scott paper towels ever - I use a lot in my laptop refurb biz - and they are the most unpleasant towel I have ever used. Simply fall apart, leaving lint everywhere. Will never buy again. Using cloths is a good idea.

This is far afield from the subject, but good on you for upholding marriage ideals. When the disciples were out in the boat after the resurrection, Peter wasn't the first one to recognize Jesus on the shore. A wise leader will listen to those around him; they may be seeing more clearly than he.

Peter then commends Sarah for her godliness:

For this is how the holy women who hoped in God used to adorn themselves, by submitting to their own husbands, as Sarah obeyed Abraham, calling him lord. And you are her children, if you do good and do not fear anything that is frightening. -1Pet 3:5-6

I wondered what that last line was doing there. Then I saw that even when Sarah was taken to the kings' chambers, twice, although things looked terribly bleak she did not fear. Every woman wants a man who will stand up for her, but here Abraham was holding back. Perhaps that was the wisest thing to do, I'm not sure, but it wasn't easy. But God protected Abraham and Sarah.

Hey Paul here is a make shift bidet for you

That would work ^_^

You might want to change the attachment head but that would work even without water or electric and would cut down on all the same wouldnt it?

I just love the idea, even for something to use a gallon of water to rinse dishes with or something. Others are using these for camp showers, I think its great compared to the bag. I would go professional strength though these cheaper plastic ones seem to have 50/ 50 reviews.

I have to really try not to take over the steering wheel, he has often thanked me when I did, but sometimes he is more adament, but then other things will happen that will block my way (outside of him) and then I get more resigned to his deciding (that at least helps) well... God "appearing" in it (so to speak).

He just makes really bad decisions, and he isnt a believer so letting go of deciding differently from him is very hard. Its easier to be a back seat driver then just sit in the back seat (a little more quietly). You dont think about having to do all of that when you first get married. Its only afterwards that dawns on you (but then its too late for deciding for the single life) lol I just play (even though I am a little serious here)

Theres that obedient to death thing, that is the thing that comes to mind when my husband decides (I see my death) and that I must deny my desire to live ^_^

paul1149 · Aug 29, 2015

That is an excellent idea indeed. And what timing - I have a hand sprayer with a broken wand that I've been wondering for two months what to do with. A replacement wand is about the cost of a new unit, so not worth it. I was able to get another unit for free at the wonderful community recycling center we have here (where I've made out like a bandit), now I have something I can do with the broken unit. So thanks.

That is a hard row to hoe. I'm sure you must rely heavily on 1Pe 3.1-6 for Peter's deep wisdom. And also that this has drawn you close to the Lord for strength and guidance. I pray you stay the course and reap a rich harvest for your labors. God can work all things for the good.

PS, those pretzels do look easy. I'm definitely going to try them. Thanks again.

Fireinfolding · Aug 29, 2015

paul1149 said:
That is an excellent idea indeed. And what timing - I have a hand sprayer with a broken wand that I've been wondering for two months what to do with. A replacement wand is about the cost of a new unit, so not worth it. I was able to get another unit for free at the wonderful community recycling center we have here (where I've made out like a bandit), now I have something I can do with the broken unit. So thanks.

That is a hard row to hoe. I'm sure you must rely heavily on 1Pe 3.1-6 for Peter's deep wisdom. And also that this has drawn you close to the Lord for strength and guidance. I pray you stay the course and reap a rich harvest for your labors. God can work all things for the good.

PS, those pretzels do look easy. I'm definitely going to try them. Thanks again.

I love those killer coincidences. I rarely have one of those ^_^

Every so often I hold onto something (not sure I want to throw it out, because it could be useful) but the second I toss it out (even that very day) an amazing idea comes to me that made me regret tossing it. I am serious too, I could have a thing for several years and nothing will come to me. As it approaches that time to toss it, I will say to myself, "self, you are going to throw this out now only to get a good idea right after" (as usual). So I pause, and brain storm a little first (and nothing comes as usual) then I toss it out, and immediately I get flooded with tons of ideas after (it never fails) ^_^

I just dont get it.

And I know you are right, thanks for prayers, God bless you Paul

katerinah1947 · Aug 30, 2015

Hi,
Some home made yeasts for you bread girls and guys.
https://thelibrary.org/lochist/periodicals/bittersweet/sp79i.htm
LOVE,
...Mary., .... .

Fireinfolding · Aug 30, 2015

katerinah1947 said:
Hi,
Some home made yeasts for you bread girls and guys.
https://thelibrary.org/lochist/periodicals/bittersweet/sp79i.htm
LOVE,
...Mary., .... .

Cool, thanks Mary!

MWood · Aug 30, 2015

katerinah1947 said:
Hi,
Some home made yeasts for you bread girls and guys.
https://thelibrary.org/lochist/periodicals/bittersweet/sp79i.htm
LOVE,
...Mary., .... .

These recipes look like a sour dough culture, except the yeast cakes made with hops.

tturt · Aug 31, 2015

can use leftovers in bread making according to Carla Emery's in her "Encyclopedia of Country Living," ninth edition, pg 206. "If you want your bread to rise well, limit other things in the recipe to no more than 25 percent of the volume of your wheat flour. I've reached the point in my bread making where I don't make a bread without some "other things." A whole wheat bread is improved so much by the addition of a quite large part of fruit, vegetable, or both. When I get ready to make bread, I start out by thoroughly searching the refrigerator and cupboards to see what I have: cereals, rice, corn bread or crusts, extra eggs (as we have in spring), leftover mashed potatoes, cooked squash or pumpkin, or canned fruit like apricots or peaches."

Goodbook · Aug 31, 2015

Baking soda bread. Make scones, they are easier. You can also use cans of lemonade.

FreeinChrist · Aug 31, 2015

katerinah1947 said:
Hi,
Some home made yeasts for you bread girls and guys.
https://thelibrary.org/lochist/periodicals/bittersweet/sp79i.htm
LOVE,
...Mary., .... .

Thanks!

faroukfarouk · Sep 1, 2015

tturt said:
can use leftovers in bread making according to Carla Emery's in her "Encyclopedia of Country Living," ninth edition, pg 206. "If you want your bread to rise well, limit other things in the recipe to no more than 25 percent of the volume of your wheat flour. I've reached the point in my bread making where I don't make a bread without some "other things." A whole wheat bread is improved so much by the addition of a quite large part of fruit, vegetable, or both. When I get ready to make bread, I start out by thoroughly searching the refrigerator and cupboards to see what I have: cereals, rice, corn bread or crusts, extra eggs (as we have in spring), leftover mashed potatoes, cooked squash or pumpkin, or canned fruit like apricots or peaches."

I tried making bread; the first time it was - though I say it myself - very successful...although not subsequently...

Goodbook · Sep 1, 2015

Thought came to me..Jesus didnt worry bout food storage for 40 days in the wilderness. I think if he can go 40 days without food, we can too. Of course he had water, as we would die without it in three days.

Goodbook · Sep 1, 2015

He ate from the Word of God.

Fireinfolding · Sep 1, 2015

Goodbook said:
Thought came to me..Jesus didnt worry bout food storage for 40 days in the wilderness. I think if he can go 40 days without food, we can too. Of course he had water, as we would die without it in three days.

He wasnt supposed to have any food storage in the wilderness.

The whole intent was to cause him to hunger being led there for a time

He was led out by the Spirit to be specifically tempted by the devil

Paul even speaks of being instructed to be both full and hungry.

Fireinfolding · Sep 1, 2015

Goodbook said:
He ate from the Word of God.

Luke 4:3 And the devil said unto him,
If thou be the Son of God, command this stone that it be made bread.

Luke 4:4 And Jesus answered him, saying,
It is written,

That man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God.

He himself is the living Word who said,

John 6:57 As the living Father hath sent me, and I live by the Father: so he that eateth me, even he shall live by me.

And Because we read Joseph was instructed by the word of God to store against a coming famine (which had followed a time of plenty) even as Noah had been forewarned of things not yet seen had moved with fear (although by faith) preparing for the same even as by the word of God.

They did keep a store, for example, Zarephath was down to her last handful of meal in a barrel during a famine where we find God having commanded her to sustain Elijah even at the time that was running its lowest.

And Paul speaks of being instructed to be both full and hungry. Just as Jesus was being instructed (even as by the Spirit) which had driven him into the wilderness to be hungry (and to be specifically tempted of the devil).

Jesus also speaks of famines in various places, and Agabus as signified by the Spirit that there should be (and was) a dearth throughout the world in Acts, the same having come to pass in the days of Claudius Caesar. It shows it was his disciples who relieved the others according to their ability even there.

But there is a famine not of food and drink but in hearing the words of God also.

Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, dwelled in tents, Jesus on the other hand didnt have a place to lay his head (let alone a computer, a refrigerator or freezer). Paul on the otherhand was actually tentmaker but had also stayed in a rented house.

Some discples could be shown fishing for their own occupation, feeding the multitudes as Jesus (with them) multiplied the same, it also shows them buying their meat as well. In the same context shows both the meat they went off to buy and meat they knew not of as we know there is meat that perisheth, and doing the will of God is the meat that endures to eternal life.

God can provide you a tomb (even a headstone) if necessary, through a disciple of his. At least we see that in Joseph of Arimathaea.

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