God in Old Testament vs. God in New Testament

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What is Macrionism? I just meant He appears through Gods Word talking to Him and instructing Him as " Son of Man"...
I think the poster meant "Marcionism", an unorthodox theology about the God of the OT and of the NT that was declared a heresy in the early church. It was named for Marcion, its main proponent, who saw the God of the OT as a lesser God to the God of the NT, and who rejected the Hebrew Scriptures as valid for Christians.
 
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Im afraid I dont understand that. The manifestation of our image? You mean the Holy "OUR"? Because He manifested human? Was it actually Josephs seed that impregnated Mary since he was from Adams lineage?
 
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I think the poster meant "Marcionism", an unorthodox theology about the God of the OT and of the NT that was declared a heresy in the early church. It was named for Marcion, its main proponent, who saw the God of the OT as a lesser God to the God of the NT, and who rejected the Hebrew Scriptures as valid for Christians.
Oh..ive never heard of that and I certainly wasn't thinking in terms of greater or lesser...just different.
 
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Im unsure about the OT God verses NT God thing, but i understand how Jesus was both man and God at the same time. Jesus came to give us an example to live by. That's why he prayed and why he lived as a human. He lead by example. Many voices in this world wage war against my faith. I have many questions that i would like to answer. However all i have is faith that i must go on by following Christ. I know nothing else and dont want to. I saw the corruption and injustice of politics and wont follow politicians anymore, although i did for a long time before. Politics was like an endless football game between bitter rivals. One team scores then the next, but its never ending. Its a power struggle that never ends, never finds peace. I hate that. I cant stand it. Atheism has no hope of eternal life so i wont be following that either. Jesus makes sense to me. I will follow him.
 
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Im unsure about the OT God verses NT God thing, but i understand how Jesus was both man and God at the same time. Jesus came to give us an example to live by. That's why he prayed and why he lived as a human. He lead by example. Many voices in this world wage war against my faith. I have many questions that i would like to answer. However all i have is faith that i must go on by following Christ. I know nothing else and dont want to. I saw the corruption and injustice of politics and wont follow politicians anymore, although i did for a long time before. Politics was like an endless football game between bitter rivals. One team scores then the next, but its never ending. Its a power struggle that never ends, never finds peace. I hate that. I cant stand it. Atheism has no hope of eternal life so i wont be following that either. Jesus makes sense to me. I will follow him.
Good for you! No politicians certainly aren't the way! Shoot after the past 8 yrs. It's obvious they say one thing and do another..its not Dem vs. Rep...it's Govt. Vs. The people. Period. You cannot convince me otherwise and if your proposal to them brought Hitler back from the dead to torture Americans but there was 5 million in it for them they'd do it in a heartbeat., ..Jesus will never sell us out for money. He's been gone for 1990 years and they still act like He's their biggest threat...because He's coming back and they know it!! Lord have mercy on the Christians in America. ...her judgment will be ugly.
 
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I just wanted to ask if anyone else feels like God in the Old Testament reads differently than the God in the New Testament. I know the LORD never changes, but is it possible that maybe He had better understanding after being human? Even then, He could do stuff we cant so...but He suffered.

I know that God knew the future before it all began just as Jesus knew that He was going to be betrayed and crucified. So I assume He had a plan for the way the Bible was written. I believe that the Old Testament is true, even though I dont understand all the reasoning for God's actions for certain events. What I get out of the Old Testament the most is that I learn from the stories that it tells. Like the story of Job, I learned to suffer through trials, hoping that there may be a reward in my future. Maybe this reason was part of God's plan because I do believe that the Bible says exactly what God wants it to say.

I dont believe that God changed or learned anything in the New Testament. He just changed His style to carry out His purpose.

I believe that just one of the reasons that Jesus prayed to the Father was to lead by example. He lead by example on many things to start the church and so we would know what to do.
 
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Good for you! No politicians certainly aren't the way! Shoot after the past 8 yrs. It's obvious they say one thing and do another..its not Dem vs. Rep...it's Govt. Vs. The people. Period. You cannot convince me otherwise and if your proposal to them brought Hitler back from the dead to torture Americans but there was 5 million in it for them they'd do it in a heartbeat., ..Jesus will never sell us out for money. He's been gone for 1990 years and they still act like He's their biggest threat...because He's coming back and they know it!! Lord have mercy on the Christians in America. ...her judgment will be ugly.

Its good to have the constitution, but its like everything else, justice can be bought and sold. Its been that way since the beginning of time and wont change. All we can do is put faith in the Lord and free our self from this worlds corruption.
 
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I know that God knew the future before it all began just as Jesus knew that He was going to be betrayed and crucified. So I assume He had a plan for the way the Bible was written. I believe that the Old Testament is true, even though I dont understand all the reasoning for God's actions for certain events. What I get out of the Old Testament the most is that I learn from the stories that it tells. Like the story of Job, I learned to suffer through trials, hoping that there may be a reward in my future. Maybe this reason was part of God's plan because I do believe that the Bible says exactly what God wants it to say.

I dont believe that God changed or learned anything in the New Testament. He just changed His style to carry out His purpose.

I believe that just one of the reasons that Jesus prayed to the Father was to lead by example. He lead by example on many things to start the church and so we would know what to do.
See now I wonder if God knew the future because He created man and apparently did not expect the Nephilim to breed with them and teach them magic and practice inappropriate behavior with animals to the extent that God said " I will wipe mankind, whom I have created from the face of the earth- men and animals,and creatures that move along the ground and birds in the air- for I am grieved that I have made them"Genesis 6:7. Because why would God create something only to destroy it had He known?? I believe God is as perfect as anything we could possibly ever know, but it sounds like He was surprised and heartbroken of what happened. Like it wasn't supposed to be like that.
 
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See now I wonder if God knew the future because He created man and apparently did not expect the Nephilim to breed with them and teach them magic and practice inappropriate behavior with animals to the extent that God said " I will wipe mankind, whom I have created from the face of the earth- men and animals,and creatures that move along the ground and birds in the air- for I am grieved that I have made them"Genesis 6:7. Because why would God create something only to destroy it had He known?? I believe God is as perfect as anything we could possibly ever know, but it sounds like He was surprised and heartbroken of what happened. Like it wasn't supposed to be like that.

I believe that God may have known what would happen. He knows we will grieve him and the bible teaches us not to grieve His spirit. It's really a testimony of his love for us. This world is not the true creation, and death is not the end necessarily. Truth is seen in the eternal spiritual realm that we do not yet see, instead of the temporary natural one that we do see.

The scriptures say we walk by faith not sight.
 
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See now I wonder if God knew the future because He created man and apparently did not expect the Nephilim to breed with them and teach them magic and practice inappropriate behavior with animals to the extent that God said " I will wipe mankind, whom I have created from the face of the earth- men and animals,and creatures that move along the ground and birds in the air- for I am grieved that I have made them"Genesis 6:7. Because why would God create something only to destroy it had He known?? I believe God is as perfect as anything we could possibly ever know, but it sounds like He was surprised and heartbroken of what happened. Like it wasn't supposed to be like that.
The thing about the eternal timelessness of God, is that all of time to Him, was instantaneous, in the twinkling of an eye as it were. Meaning, yes, of course He foreknew...everything. We also should know that not only was all of creation instantaneous, it was made in His image, i.e. He imagined it, and said, Amen (So be it.). It is finished. Time is an illusion...even scientifically.
 
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The thing about the eternal timelessness of God, is that all of time to Him, was instantaneous, in the twinkling of an eye as it were. Meaning, yes, of course He foreknew...everything. We also should know that not only was all of creation instantaneous, it was made in His image, i.e. He imagined it, and said, Amen (So be it.). It is finished. Time is an illusion...even scientifically.
see above..
 
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So then the war at the end of the age has already been fought. Jesus has returned and weve already been judged. So why do the choices we make now even matter then?
Just as God "is" who He is, or as He would say I "am", the answer to your question (why do choices we make now even matter?), is because we are not just who we will be, but we are who we "are." Present tense is always how the pointed questions are answered in scripture...or the other favorite, in "that day." We ourselves also do something very similar to that, when we say: Once upon a time.

Now, I realize this is all quite bazaar, but you can go through the entire Bible and except for the history, every word is present tense, or some form of the word "soon." Or you can study the science of Time...and it's the same: Time is a complete illusion.

How then, do we explain the history? History is His story, God's story. He is telling us what is already done...it's just that we are hearing it for the first time. We say that God is in control, which of course is true...'cause He's the One reading the story. But...It is finished...His story is a finished work, in which we have a part.
 
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So then the war at the end of the age has already been fought. Jesus has returned and weve already been judged. So why do the choices we make now even matter then?

I dont concern myself with trying to understand everything. I just follow what i know is right. However, if you know that your child will do their school work after you tell them to do it, does that stop you from letting them do it? No, because there is a reason you need them to do it. Its so they can learn. Perhaps God knows what we will do but he still needs us to do it. That's the way i would try to comprehend it i suppose.
 
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I dont concern myself with trying to understand everything. I just follow what i know is right. However, if you know that your child will do their school work after you tell them to do it, does that stop you from letting them do it? No, because there is a reason you need them to do it. Its so they can learn. Perhaps God knows what we will do but he still needs us to do it. That's the way i would try to comprehend it i suppose.
That is a very good example for perspective. Thank you.;)
 
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Greetings,

It must be remembered The God of the Old Covenant is first seen in Creation. He created a sinless and beautiful world for man who fell.
God promised immediately that He would provide. (Gen 3:15)

God keeps His promises always and let's face it, man did not do a real good job along the way.

The Plan of God also involved a promise God made to Abraham. (Gen 21:12)

The Christ would come from Abraham's seed as promised so when man messed up and went outside of the covenant and married outside of the children of Israel then God had to protect the seed in order to keep the promise.

God keeps His promises.

Regards

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So let's throw a thought out there, regarding God's foreknowledge of the events leading up to and including the flood. What if...and I'm just conjecturing...there's more to the story than what was recorded? God puts Adam and Eve in the garden, gives them free will, already knowing they will disobey and already knowing the outcome of their actions. He does not intervene. He allows sin to run its course. In the years that follow sin, unimpeded, corrupts the earth so badly that the stench reaches all the way to heaven. What we see in those early chapters of Genesis is what happens when sin is allowed free reign. Without God, without the conviction and the restraining influence of His Spirit, sin spreads like a cancer. This is a picture of what happens when there is no God, no judgment, and when man has his way. As the floodwaters recede, God allows history to start again...only this time, He intervenes. He becomes involved in man's struggles. He reveals Himself to Abraham, to Moses, to the prophets. Whispers of God's promise of restoration increase, until the moment is right and God the Son steps down from heaven, coming to earth as a Servant to save His people. God foreknew how all this would turn out--Isaiah 46:9-10. We may not understand how He works but we can rest assured that He has the future in His hands.
 
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So let's throw a thought out there, regarding God's foreknowledge of the events leading up to and including the flood. What if...and I'm just conjecturing...there's more to the story than what was recorded?
WHAT?? You mean that the 600 years of Noah's life prior to the flood, and that of all his ancestors cannot be recorded in detail in only 7 chapters of scripture? Whodathunket?
 
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I just wanted to ask if anyone else feels like God in the Old Testament reads differently than the God in the New Testament. I know the LORD never changes, but is it possible that maybe He had better understanding after being human? Even then, He could do stuff we cant so...but He suffered.

He's the very same God. The God Who created us, our Creator, and the God spoken of in John Who gave His only begotten Son for "us" even as we were His enemies, is the very same God. The very same God Whom David loved with all his heart, mind, soul and strength, and Who delighted in David, calling him the "apple of His eye", and a "man after His own heart".

This same God's grace and mercy are demonstrated all throughout the Old Testament. The same God David spoke of is the very same God of the New testament. He is the same, yesterday, and then and today. He never ever changes.

What specifically prompted you to ask?

Thank you kindly.
 
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