Noahide

Robban said:

Like JW,S, they keep coming back.

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We love Jews.. we are supposed to witness our views to the other side

LoAmmi said:

What you think Torah is and what it actually is are not the same.

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What is actual Torah?

I believe Torah is so that no harm would come upon one another.

dfw69 said:

What is actual Torah?

I believe Torah is so that no harm would come upon one another.

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Torah is the 613 commandments we keep so that we are separate as a people and so that we keep holiness in our lives.

LoAmmi said:

Torah is the 613 commandments we keep so that we are separate as a people and so that we keep holiness in our lives.

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Yes this I know..

LoAmmi said:

Torah is the 613 commandments we keep so that we are separate as a people and so that we keep holiness in our lives.

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Why will the gentiles seek to wipe out Israel as a people? What is the motive of such hate?

dfw69 said:

Why will the gentiles seek to wipe out Israel as a people? What is the motive of such hate?

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Could be a belief that we are following the Antichrist

LoAmmi said:

Could be a belief that we are following the Antichrist

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So are you saying that you believe that in the future so called Christian nations will want to wipe out Judaism to establish Christianity the world religion?

LoAmmi said:

Could be a belief that we are following the Antichrist

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Which makes no sense whatsoever. The reference to the Anti-christ in the NT is clearly aimed at Gnostics, not Jews.

smaneck said:

Which makes no sense whatsoever. The reference to the Anti-christ in the NT is clearly aimed at Gnostics, not Jews.

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Who are Gnostic s?

smaneck said:

Which makes no sense whatsoever. The reference to the Anti-christ in the NT is clearly aimed at Gnostics, not Jews.

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But it could happen. Jews start following this new guy. He pushes to rebuild the Temple. He enacts policies that draw all back to Israel. What do you think Christians would think?

LoAmmi said:

Could be a belief that we are following the Antichrist

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i can see the posibility that if judaism produces a messiah who is not jesus that the world leaders will be pressured to attack israel...all the religions rising against judaism?

on second thought...there are already many religions living in peace....no need for war

why cant judaism produce a messiah and all religions still live in peace?

dfw69 said:

i can see the posibility that if judaism produces a messiah who is not jesus that the world leaders will be pressured to attack israel...all the religions rising against judaism?

on second thought...there are already many religions living in peace....no need for war

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But we are talking about the game changing. The status quo would be changed.

LoAmmi said:

But we are talking about the game changing. The status quo would be changed.

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dont understand status quo?what changes?

dfw69 said:

why cant judaism produce a messiah and all religions still live in peace?

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Doesn't Christianity speak of war when Jesus returns? Why can't he come back without conflict? Don't hold us to a standard you don't hold yourself to.

LoAmmi said:

Doesn't Christianity speak of war when Jesus returns? Why can't he come back without conflict? Don't hold us to a standard you don't hold yourself to.

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he has to stop the nations advances upon israel....ttyl loammi

LoAmmi said:

But it could happen. Jews start following this new guy. He pushes to rebuild the Temple. He enacts policies that draw all back to Israel. What do you think Christians would think?

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Then wait until they see this:

dfw69 said:

Who are Gnostic s?

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Gnostics were early Christians mystics who believed that whatever was physical was bad and only the spiritual was good. For that reason they denied that Christ came in the flesh. John considered them such dangerous heretics that according to Eusebius, that when a Gnostic entered the public bath, John immediately fled stark naked.

dfw69 said:

We love Jews.. we are supposed to witness our views to the other side

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I got carried away,
I tend to live in what others say or write, it was by no means meant to be snarky,
It was a light note before I went to bed.

This is something of the picture it painted in my mind,

A king sets His army out in trenches to guard the Palace,
Messengers are sent from both sides,

One Messenger reports, "Hold your positions at all costs."

There comes Another Messenger and reports,

"Come over to us, you will be free."

Thing is, the Kings army are already free.
free from boundaries and limitations.

We have left Egypt never to return.

LoAmmi said:

But it could happen. Jews start following this new guy. He pushes to rebuild the Temple. He enacts policies that draw all back to Israel. What do you think Christians would think?

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We would think the false messiah has come...and if Jews were leaving from all nations to return to Israel that perhaps they leave for safety from something coming for all nations ...like some sort of punishment .. .I could be wrong about this...

But as for the so called Christian nations ...we should have no problem with what Jews do to keep their traditions alive ...so long as no harm falls upon the world...what harm is there in a Jewish messiah?...Will he be unfair to Muslims living in the land of Israel provoking Muslims?...the nations stepping in for the treatment of Muslims...?..

Gaza conflict was terrible to watch...now these Isis men hiding behind mask to protect their identity....what confusing times we live in...

But it's written at some point the nations will become angry towards Israel ..why?...provoke to anger?...or something else?...not sure why ...

I can see why Muslims are angry having bought homes only to be persecuted out because so called fanatics in the faith fought back in retaliation....that's their argument anyway...

Robban said:

I got carried away,
I tend to live in what others say or write, it was by no means meant to be snarky,
It was a light note before I went to bed.

This is something of the picture it painted in my mind,

A king sets His army out in trenches to guard the Palace,
Messengers are sent from both sides,

One Messenger reports, "Hold your positions at all costs."

There comes Another Messenger and reports,

"Come over to us, you will be free."

Thing is, the Kings army are already free.
free from boundaries and limitations.

We have left Egypt never to return.

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Keeping ones traditions should not be built on the blood of others...Muslims should not suffer so that Jewish settlers may enter ...it's just wrong ...but may hashem judge over such matters ...not man