Gay couple with no sex.

LivingWordUnity · Aug 30, 2015

Mountain_Girl406 said:
Typically, the people who work at strip clubs aren't prostitutes.

I think that can be disputed. However, I changed it to "bordello" to remove all doubt.

TheBarrd · Aug 30, 2015

Tallguy88 said:
I'm working on it. Down about three pounds in the last month.

Good for you, Tallguy!
I'm also fighting the flab...I've lost a little over 15 pounds since I got "serious"...August 20th, after my last doctor appointment.

Tallguy88 said:
I didn't say they were not doing anything. I said you have no way of knowing they are doing anything if they don't tell you they are (or you have some other proof besides two people living together). How do you know the two people are attracted to each other? How do you know they are "in love" (presumably you mean Eros love)?

Did you read the OP?
"What is the Catholic Church view of a gay couple living together, loving each other, but abstaining from sex ?"
It's pretty obvious that the hypothetical here involves a gay couple who are in love...yes, Eros love.
Now, you can believe that they aren't "doing anything" if you like...and maybe they aren't.
But sooner or later...it'll be like you having a buffet in your living room...
I don't know about you, but I'd soon be so fat I wouldn't be able to waddle...

Sword of the Lord · Aug 30, 2015

As an alcoholic, is it OK for me to keep a fully stocked bar in my house and occasionally have a few drinks, without getting drunk?

Of course we all know that a few always turns into drunkenness.

concretecamper · Aug 30, 2015

RaylightI said:
What is the Catholic Church view of a gay couple living together, loving each other, but abstaining from sex ?

1. The Church tell us to avoid the near occasion of sin.
2. The gay couple cannot have sex. They can pleasure themselves or their partners but it isn't sex or love.....it is pure pleasure.
3. If they live as brothers or sisters, and do not give into the perversion or do anything that tempts, they are not sinning.

RileyG · Aug 30, 2015

Tallguy88 said:
There is more than one kind of love.

There is nothing wrong with loving someone of the same sex, so long as it's not "Eros" love.

Yup. Erotic love is only for those inside marriage- one man, one woman. period

To answer the OP's question, I am sure that would cause scandal and be a near occasion of sin- so no.

RileyG · Aug 30, 2015

Mikhael Disciple of Christ said:
As an alcoholic, is it OK for me to keep a fully stocked bar in my house and occasionally have a few drinks, without getting drunk?

Of course we all know that a few always turns into drunkenness.

Well said. Avoid whatever leads you to sin.

jayem · Aug 30, 2015

RaylightI said:
What is the Catholic Church view of a gay couple living together, loving each other, but abstaining from sex ?

Well, I guess they're an old married couple. Because everyone knows, the way to stop having sex is to get married. :oldthumbsup:

fat wee robin · Aug 30, 2015

Ho ,Ho naughty . :clap:

pdudgeon · Aug 30, 2015

Tallguy88 said:
I'm working on it. Down about three pounds in the last month.

good for you!

[quote: I didn't say they were not doing anything. I said you have no way of knowing they are doing anything if they don't tell you they are (or you have some other proof besides two people living together). How do you know the two people are attracted to each other? How do you know they are "in love" (presumably you mean Eros love)?[/QUOTE]

you know by how they act in public towards each other.
if they act like lovers, they probably are.
if they act like brothers towards each other, they probably aren't.

most people are experienced enough to be able to tell the difference in behavior.

Rhamiel · Aug 30, 2015

RaylightI said:
What is the Catholic Church view of a gay couple living together, loving each other, but abstaining from sex ?

there is not really a firm teaching on this

there might be serious reasons for them to live together
they might have adopted a child before they had a conversion and are now staying together for the sake of raising the child
one or both of them might not be able to afford to live on their own
and I am sure their are other reasons that have not entered my mind at the moment

but there are also serious reasons to not live together
avoiding temptation
not causing others to have scandal

so while it is not outright contraband in all situations
I would think it is HIGHLY discouraged

MikeK said:
Virtually all of the husband and wife Saints that we know of took vows of celibacy

but gay couples are not husbands and wives
recently I heard the testimony from a celibate homosexual
she said that having emotional relationships that were like sexless marriages actually led her into sexual sin

now this is not saying you can not have deep friendships
but you have to be careful not to make them psudo-marriages

Rhamiel · Aug 30, 2015

this sounds more like a Pastoral issue then a dogmatic issue

RaylightI · Aug 30, 2015

Quite interesting replies. Thanks to all who replied to my question.

Regarding the temptation, I come from a Muslim country, I was raised Muslim and converted to Christianity (Thanks be to God for that ). If you want to claim that two gay men/women can't live together in love and passion without sex because there is lots of temptation, then you are on line with ; some Muslim imams who I grew up hearing them saying that women and men can't be in the same place in the Mosque because there will be lots of temptation, You are on line with Muslims extremists that deny women the right to drive because it will lead into temptation, You are on line with them when they say that women MUST wear burqa so they don't cause temptation to men, You are on line with them with they say women and men can't be and MUST not be friends, because there will be lots of temptation, You are on line with some extremists that say the existence of church buildings in the country will tempt some Muslims and lean them to apostasy. Say as much as you want about how what you are saying is different, but it is the fact. Just because you may be weak due to your alcoholism, you have no right to generalize your weakness on others who may be stronger than you. Just as much as an extremist Muslim that claims women should be kept inside the house to not cause temptation to him, if he is weak and on edge to commit sexual immorality as soon as the temptation arises, it is NOT the woman's fault.

Tallguy88 · Aug 30, 2015

My best friend is a single female, I'm a single male. I do not hold sexual feelings for her and have zero temptation to do those things with her. Even if she were to come on to me, I would absolutely decline.

A lot of people think we date, however. No amount of "just friends" seems to stop the rumors. But that's their problem, not mine.

RaylightI · Aug 30, 2015

Tallguy88 said:
My best friend is a single female, I'm a single male. I do not hold sexual feelings for her and have zero temptation to do those things with her. Even if she were to come on to me, I would absolutely decline.

A lot of people think we date, however. No amount of "just friends" seems to stop the rumors. But that's their problem, not mine.

Exactly! People may think that a gay couple can not be together without having sex, but that doesn't add to the reality that there are many gay couple who live together without any sexual contact. In the end, you can't expect from a gay couple that lived together for years or so to leave each other just because your mind can't help it but think that they MUST be having sex.

RaylightI · Aug 30, 2015

Does the Catholic Church teach publicly and in an official doctrine that celibate gay relationships are sinful ? The answer from the replies I got so far seems to be that there is no an actual teaching regarding that matter. And now I can agree with Rhamiel that the issue is pastoral more than dogmatic.

Tallguy88 · Aug 30, 2015

RaylightI said:
Exactly! People may think that a gay couple can not be together without having sex, but that doesn't add to the reality that there are many gay couple who live together without any sexual contact. In the end, you can't expect from a gay couple that lived together for years or so to leave each other just because your mind can't help it but think that they MUST be having sex.

Yes, that's what I meant. If straights can have non sexual opposite sex friends and roomates, then logically gays must have the same capacity.

MikeK · Aug 30, 2015

Tallguy88 said:
My best friend is a single female, I'm a single male. I do not hold sexual feelings for her and have zero temptation to do those things with her. Even if she were to come on to me, I would absolutely decline.

A lot of people think we date, however. No amount of "just friends" seems to stop the rumors. But that's their problem, not mine.

By some people's logic, you should terminate your friendship because of the scandal it might cause to people who assume you're sleeping together.

Rhamiel · Aug 30, 2015

RaylightI said:
If you want to claim that two gay men/women can't live together in love and passion without sex because there is lots of temptation, then you are on line with ; some Muslim imams who I grew up hearing them saying that women and men can't be in the same place in the Mosque because there will be lots of temptation, You are on line with Muslims extremists that deny women the right to drive because it will lead into temptation, You are on line with them when they say that women MUST wear burqa so they don't cause temptation to men, You are on line with them with they say women and men can't be and MUST not be friends, because there will be lots of temptation, You are on line with some extremists that say the existence of church buildings in the country will tempt some Muslims and lean them to apostasy.

ok
I guess I agree with Muslims on the stuff about gays living together
I give credit where credit is due
if someone says something right, I will agree with them
if they say something wrong, I will call them out on it.

so yeah, they are correct about that gay stuff
not so much about the other stuff

do you mind me asking what country you grew up in?
I spent 6 months in Morocco and I really enjoyed living there

Michie · Aug 30, 2015

My step sister worked at a strip club and tried to get me in on it when I moved from Texas. All I can say is all those tips ain't from dancing.

LivingWordUnity said:
I think that can be disputed. However, I changed it to "bordello" to remove all doubt.

Rhamiel · Aug 30, 2015

MikeK said:
By some people's logic, you should terminate your friendship because of the scandal it might cause to people who assume you're sleeping together.

no one is saying that you can not be friends with people of the same or opposite sex

but if they lived together
that would raise a few eyebrows

Gay couple with no sex.

Unchanging Deposit of Faith, Traditional Catholic

Teller of tales, writer of poems, singer of songs

In need of a physician.

Member of His Church

Veteran

Veteran

Naturalist

Newbie

Traditional Catholic

Member of the Round Table

Member of the Round Table

Active Member

We shall see the King when he comes!

Active Member

Active Member

We shall see the King when he comes!

Traditionalist Catholic

Member of the Round Table

Well-Known Member

Member of the Round Table

Similar threads