americanvet
Saved Sinner
- Jun 15, 2012
- 1,310
- 81
- Country
- United States
- Faith
- Christian
- Marital Status
- Married
- Politics
- US-Libertarian
Not one time have I ever seen a mockery of Christ in any Masonic function.
Upvote
0
Not one time have I ever seen a mockery of MM in any Masonic function.
We were speaking of 'works,' were we not? How does jumping to 'symbols used' logically follow as part of that discussion??Good works are good by themselves. What about the symbols used by Freemasons?
As you said, that's your independent analysis. You assign a meaning to some of these images based on nothing but your own hunch. Upon reflection, you should realize that you are pretty much shooting in the dark there, and even the same symbol can have significantly different meaning, depending upon which organization is using it...and that depends upon what meaning the organization has assigned to it.In my independent analysis you won't find anywhere in the internet, they represent forms of the fall of creation, they are very ancient. They are symbols of the fallen watchers and were first found in Babylon and the more ancient Sumerians and it is possibly way way older. It couldn't just be ignored even if the resemblance is not 100% but a close 90% and quite endemic (a "wolf in sheep's clothing"?), it's sending a clear message
The "all-seeing-eye" or the circle/sphere represents Christ or ideals of Christ. The same eye bound within a pyramid or a hexagram (or a square and compass) represents the ideals of Christ bound by the ideals of the fallen watchers.
The symbol symbolizes the mockery of Christ or His Word.
There is another symbol that is rather quite popular in Christianity and I won't mention it.
I'd say you wouldn't. And the Freemasons don't. It would be contrary to its own standards. Common sense should tell you that this thesis of yours is defective, considering that most Masons are Christians.My point is, why would you do good works and mock Christ at the same time??
Don't know very much about this kind of thing ,but what you are saying helps us to understand certain things .Good works are good by themselves. What about the symbols used by Freemasons? In my independent analysis you won't find anywhere in the internet, they represent forms of the fall of creation, they are very ancient. They are symbols of the fallen watchers and were first found in Babylon and the more ancient Sumerians and it is possibly way way older. It couldn't just be ignored even if the resemblance is not 100% but a close 90% and quite endemic (a "wolf in sheep's clothing"?), it's sending a clear message
The "all-seeing-eye" or the circle/sphere represents Christ or ideals of Christ. The same eye bound within a pyramid or a hexagram (or a square and compass) represents the ideals of Christ bound by the ideals of the fallen watchers.
The symbol symbolizes the mockery of Christ or His Word.
There is another symbol that is rather quite popular in Christianity and I won't mention it.
My point is, why would you do good works and mock Christ at the same time?? Does that sound right? It seems like the most convoluted thing imaginable.
Can the Freemasons be excused in their ignorance of the symbols they use??
Perhaps the symbol has by legend used by King Solomon to control demons because of what it represents if used in the guise of good works. It just fails to make sense and confuses even the demons - by doing good works and mocking Christ at the same time.
As you said, that's your independent analysis. You assign a meaning to some of these images based on nothing but your own hunch. Upon reflection, you should realize that you are pretty much shooting in the dark there, and even the same symbol can have significantly different meaning, depending upon which organization is using it...and that depends upon what meaning the organization has assigned to it.
there is a force more powerful than God since you said "nothing else can be done"? It sounds like you say I'm lost without any hope for salvation.
That force is your overriding will.
Our mind is like a ball placed atop a pyramid, it doesn't take much to push it out of place to a place beyond hope. Which is why we must be careful with the things we have come to accept.
There is a reset button however, you just have to find it.
Don't know very much about this kind ofthing ,but what you are saying helps us to understand certain things .
Could you please rewrite that last part with Solomon as it is not clear,there is something missing ,thankyou .
Christ is the reset button, clean slate!
But only few will find the real Christ. So it's probably not a good idea to fill our lives with junk when looking for something that's hard to find!
Look, you have your theories, but you don't know Masonry from personal experience so you're guessing up and down the line. HOWEVER, it doesn't matter much because Masonry is NOT the topic here. It only came up as an example, and an invalid one at that. The topic is whether Christians can belong to Secret Societies.You are now looking for what is esoteric. THis is something even the Freemasons are ignorant of.
Let's talk about whether Christians can rightly belong to Secret Societies!
If you have ever said We meet this day to commemorate the death of our 'Most Wise and Perfect Master,' not as inspired or divine, for this is not for us to decide, but as at least the greatest of the apostles of mankind." or"This is indeed a sad day, for we have lost our Master. We may never see him again. He is dead! Mourn, weep and cry, for he is gone." and then blown out a candle...while wearing a long black hooded robe then you have snuffed out Christ. Any religion that has secret ceremonies behind closed doors is not of the Living God who is truth and light.I am a Freemason. This has been establish for a while on this site. I will say again there is nothing in Masonry that mocks Christ. Is your last sentence implying there is a force more powerful than God since you said "nothing else can be done"? It sounds like you say I'm lost without any hope for salvation.
Side note: Please don't change what I wrote when quoting me.
Any religion that has secret ceremonies behind closed doors is not of the Living God who is truth and light.
Well, that's what the early Christians did. In fact, that's what the early Christians had to do in order to escape the Roman authorities. So I'm not sure that I accept your theory. But the topic is not really about other religions anyway, but about whether Christians (that's their religion) should also belong to Secret Societies.
Christianity is NOT a Secret Society, but it once kept its worship services private, both for self-defense from a hostile government and also because it felt that some of its worship was so precious that anyone lacking a commitment and an appropriate preparation should not be allowed to participate. IOW, secrecy is not contrary to Christianity. But a "Secret Society" is something else.Even if Christianity is a secret society, do you think it would be appropriate to join OTHER secret societies?
Quite possibly, it wouldn't do that if most of the posts actually addressed the topic of the thread instead of rambling on about Egyptian symbols, people who keep secrets, and other extraneous matters, instead of dealing with some real secret societies and what those posters think is contrary to Christianity with them (if anything).This thread makes my head and heart hurt.
I'd say it depends mainly on what the Secret Society in question is doing or what it requires of its members. There is no "one-answer-fits-all" resolution to this question.
instead of rambling on about Egyptian symbols