QUOTE="BobRyan, post: 68518250, member: 235244"]In both cases - the answer is no.
True.
-- Satan falsely accuses -
- -see Job 1,, and Job 2.
And Rev 13
And Daniel 7.
Satan does not need to deceive God. Like two men running from a bear the first man prays that he may outrun the bear -- the other man only prays that he may outrun the first man.
God claims that
Job is rigtheous - Satan says that Job is selfish
and God is bribing Job to pretend that he is righteous - and Job is slyly going along with the bribe as if he is actually righteous.
It is impossible for a false charge to stand before God. In Job there are no charges by Satan of a wrong doing by Job whether true or false.
Satan argues that Job is not righteous - rather that he is taking a bribe and merely faking the righteousness.
The counter to your argument is not that Satan accuses the saints to "deceive God" rather
the counter to your argument is that in Dan 7:10 and in Job 1 it is a vast assembly that meets and before the assembly the saints are accused (Rev 12) and God's character, justice and Law are impugned. To make his case and get his result - Satan does not need to suppose that God will be duped -- merely that the free will, intelligent beings in the assembly can be duped.[/QUOTE]
Job 1
8 Then the
Lord said to Satan, “Have you considered My servant Job? No one else on earth is like him,
a man of perfect integrity, who fears God and
turns away from evil.”
9 Satan answered the Lord, “
Does Job fear God for nothing? 10 Haven’t You placed a hedge around him, his household, and everything he owns? You have blessed the work of his hands, and his possessions have increased in the land. 11 But stretch out Your hand and strike everything he owns, and
he will surely curse You to Your face.”
Job 2
Again there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan came also among them to present himself before the Lord. 2 And the Lord said to Satan, “From where do you come?”
Satan answered the Lord and said, “From going to and fro on the earth, and from walking back and forth on it.”
3 Then the Lord said to Satan, “Have you considered My servant Job, that
there is none like him on the earth, a blameless and upright man, one
who fears God and shuns evil? And still he holds fast to his integrity,
although you incited Me against him, to destroy him without cause.”
4 So Satan answered the Lord and said, “Skin for skin! Yes, all that a man has he will give for his life. 5 But stretch out Your hand now, and touch his bone and his flesh, and
he will surely curse You to Your face!”
Satan does not say Job was selfish. There is no false accusation in what Job has done, only a question of what he would do
Matt 7 "
by their fruits you shall know them. you do not gather bad fruit from a good tree"
Satan's argument is that this is a bad tree and that the right circumstances will show it.