why do jews reject jesus?

do jews reject jesus?

  • yes jews do reject jesus.

  • jews don't reject jesus.

  • don't know that jews reject jesus.


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I decided that I would not post anymore,
but I will say this,

What is pathetic is that you do not know me,
likewise I do not know you.

Judging by your comments,

you could just as well be Donald duck for all I know.

Same old, same old, for some there is a "demon" behind every bush.

Though you may not read this, me being on your ignore list,
something which I have never done.

Over and out.
I just appreciate the sincere honesty when people outright demonstrate Christian bigotry. Hate for Christians.
Allusions to cartoon characters don't offset that.
As for asking a Jew, and one day we'll read in our media that calling a Jew a Jew is a slur but until then, if they believe in Jesus, that's not someone who knows alot about Judaism.
If a Jew believes in Jesus they're not going to be identifying as a religious Jew. (Jew is a race as well as most know). They're going to identify as a Messianic. Or as a Christian.

This question in this thread reminds me of the one's that ask Catholics why they do what they do and are who they are, in the Catholic forum.
It's bait! And that tells us everything we need to know about motive.

And I thank God for the advice about the ignore list. Sometimes that's the only way to avoid the anti-Christian hate speech , the racist hate speech against whites , and America, here.
 
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No, I think you've accomplished all you set out to here. :)

I didn't create the thread so I was just aiming to answer questions.

The thing is some classes of Jews do believe in Jesus. Some dont, which is dead wrong. So I think if somebody tells you they are Jewish, before you jump to conclusions, ask if they believe in Jesus.

Revelation 22:19 states: "And if anyone takes words away from this book of prophecy, God will take away from him his share in the tree of life and in the holy city, which are described in this book."

Its pretty clear that only believing in the Old Testament to be true is wrong and there will be consequences for doing so.

FYI, the Mormons did the opposite: They added to the Bible. So they will also deal with consequences.

This is, in a way, the key to seeing the differences between Judaism and Christianity. I do not recognize Revelation or any of the New Testament as scripture so what it says about this is not relevant to my life. You believe it implicitly.

And yes, some Jews do believe in Jesus. Which, naturally, I believe is dead wrong. And here we are at an impasse because we will never convince each other.
 
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I didn't create the thread so I was just aiming to answer questions.



This is, in a way, the key to seeing the differences between Judaism and Christianity. I do not recognize Revelation or any of the New Testament as scripture so what it says about this is not relevant to my life. You believe it implicitly.

And yes, some Jews do believe in Jesus. Which, naturally, I believe is dead wrong. And here we are at an impasse because we will never convince each other.

You are absolutely right. People cannot convince people to convert to what is. Only God can do that. :angel:
LoAmmi, it is my hope for you and others to believe and have faith in Christ (someday). I hold nothing against you or any other in this forum and I hope future debates don't discourage anyone, but encourage one another in some way.
 
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The Talmud reviles Jesus of Nazareth, and Orthodox Jews are awaiting their Messiah (and will therefore be deceived by the Antichrist).

Where does the Bible say that?

The tertiary reason is because Christ opened the door of salvation to all and sundry, whereas the privileged few believed that salvation was for the elite, and certainly not for the Gentiles.

Wrong. The Jews believed that righteous gentiles were right with God so long as they followed the laws given to Noah.

Even the apostle Peter had to be convinced that salvation was also for the Gentiles.

Evidence?

Today, Anti-Semitism is rampant in Europe and certainly throughout the Muslim world.

I think it is probably more prevalent in the US than Europe.
http://www.kansascity.com/news/local/crime/article32524545.html

Arabs are semites so to call them antisemitic is a contradiction in terms. However, it is certainly true that people in the Middle East were infected with European anti-semitism beginning in the 18th century, but it didn't become virulent until Arabs started being kicked off their land by Zionist settlers.
 
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Where does the Bible say that?
Where does the Bible say what? That the Jews will be deceived? The prophecy of Daniel would be a good place to start.
Wrong. The Jews believed that righteous gentiles were right with God so long as they followed the laws given to Noah.
Really? What proof do you have of this? Why then would the Jews travel over land and sea to make proselytes?
Evidence?
Read and study Acts chapter 10 & 11.
Arabs are semites so to call them antisemitic is a contradiction in terms. However, it is certainly true that people in the Middle East were infected with European anti-semitism beginning in the 18th century, but it didn't become virulent until Arabs started being kicked off their land by Zionist settlers.
Good propaganda, but low on reality. "Anti-Semitism" was NEVER directed at Arabs, only at Jews. And the Koran has been teaching hatred against Christians AND Jews since about 600 AD. Actually the Arabs were occupying the land given to the Jews long before Mohammad came on the scene. Agreed that things could have been done differently, but for all the Arab nations to commit themselves to driving Jews "into the sea" speaks of a virulent hatred which has nothing to do with the land itself. Why does Iran hate the Jews? Why does Saudi Arabia or Pakistan hate the Jews? This is not "European" Anti-Semitism but Radical Islamic hatred rooted in the Koran.

Getting back to the subject. There is no good reason for Jews to reject Jesus of Nazareth. They chose to be blind, therefore God has blinded the majority of them. The same applies to Gentiles who have chosen to be blind. Wilful blindness is a very serious matter for God.
 
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Where does the Bible say what?

Where does it say the Jews will follow the anti-christ?

The prophecy of Daniel would be a good place to start.

There is no mention of the Antichrist in Daniel. The Antichrist is mentioned in John's epistle and only there.

Really? What proof do you have of this? Why then would the Jews travel over land and sea to make proselytes?

They weren't making formal converts. The people they were attracting were known as God-fearers, those who believed in the God of the Bible but did not formally convert. But they hung around the synagogues and read their scriptures. It was from these people that the first gentiles were converted to Christianity.

Good propaganda, but low on reality. "Anti-Semitism" was NEVER directed at Arabs, only at Jews.

Not true. In the 19th century there was plenty of anti-semitism against Arabs as well.

And the Koran has been teaching hatred against Christians AND Jews since about 600 AD.

Not so. Tension did develop between Jews and Muslims in Medina but relations with Christians was relatively cordial:

"you will find the nearest in love to the believers (Muslims) those who say: ‘We are Christians’”
[al-Maa’idah 5:82]

However, Jews were always much better treated in the Middle East than they were in Christendom, at least prior to 1948.

Actually the Arabs were occupying the land given to the Jews long before Mohammad came on the scene.

No, it was under Christian Byzantium rule and Christians didn't allow Jews to live there. When Arabs conquered that territory, Jews were allowed to return.

Agreed that things could have been done differently, but for all the Arab nations to commit themselves to driving Jews "into the sea" speaks of a virulent hatred which has nothing to do with the land itself.

Of course, it does. What does driving them into the sea mean but getting them off their land!

Why does Iran hate the Jews?

They didn't before 1980.

Why does Saudi Arabia or Pakistan hate the Jews?

Why do you?
 
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Jesus is the Messiah. Think about it - if Ancient Jews learned about this expected Savior from the Persian Zoroastrians after the Torah ... the New Testament has these Persian Magi center stage and bringing gifts ... they, like Jesus by Parables, transfer knowledge in rhymes ... perhaps as the Priests of Judaism learnt from the Priests of Zoroastrianism some data became unintentionally off perhaps. Jesus surprised all of us coming back from the dead and promising to return like lightning in the sky...
 
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Jesus is the Messiah. Think about it - if Ancient Jews learned about this expected Savior from the Persian Zoroastrians after the Torah ... the New Testament has these Persian Magi center stage and bringing gifts ... they, like Jesus by Parables, transfer knowledge in rhymes ... perhaps as the Priests of Judaism learnt from the Priests of Zoroastrianism some data became unintentionally off perhaps. Jesus surprised all of us coming back from the dead and promising to return like lightning in the sky...

I don't believe the concept of Messiah came from Zoroastrians nor do I think Jesus meets the qualifications to be the Jewish Messiah. Please stop making cryptic statements trying to indicate Jews somehow believe Jesus is the Messiah even if we don't know it. If I said you really believed in a giant cow in the sky that watched over us all with a vengeful eye, I doubt you'd be happy for me to continue to insist it.

For me, Jesus is NOT the Messiah.
 
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I don't believe the concept of Messiah came from Zoroastrians nor do I think Jesus meets the qualifications to be the Jewish Messiah. Please stop making cryptic statements trying to indicate Jews somehow believe Jesus is the Messiah even if we don't know it. If I said you really believed in a giant cow in the sky that watched over us all with a vengeful eye, I doubt you'd be happy for me to continue to insist it.

For me, Jesus is NOT the Messiah.
You believe as you wish.

I believe as I wish.

I agree to dis agree.

If you want to ignore research of history and peoples your call.

'cryptic', LOL. Jesus is the Messiah, from my research and to me ... I don't like your tone, not wasting my time here for the likes of you. You worship your God and I worship my God all I got to say ...
 
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