Discussion Holy Spirit/Jesus teaching us.

seekingsolace · Aug 29, 2015

Johnlove1 said:
Telling someone who thinks they know God by reading the bible that a born again Christian/one begotten by God, can’t sin is almost always ignored.

I believe you all don’t care to respond to this post.

Remember if you still sin then you are of the devil. The devil does not allow God to teach him either. I bet though the devil know every word of the bible.

John you aren't responding to others posts either, just copying and pasting.

What better way for the devil to deceive you than making you believe you need no forgiveness. Telling someone who knows God that reading the Bible is pointless, and only hearing a 'voice' will give you truth will raise eyebrows. I would rather test the spirits by the Word of God, than be led blindly by a serpent.

ToBeLoved · Aug 29, 2015

Johnlove1 said:
I read and quote scripture.

Can any of you respond to my post telling you why it is not necessary, and why having God teach him or her the only way one can come to know God?

By the way scripture tells us only God can bring one to know God.

(1 Corinthians 2:10-16) “These are the very things that God has revealed to us through the Spirit, for the Spirit reaches the depts. Of everything, even the depths of God. After all, the depths of a man can only be known by his own spirit, not by any other man, and in the same way the depths of God can only be known by the Spirit of God.---------“

That is misleading because the Holy Spirit leads us in truth of understanding scripture and it's spiritual truth.

To say that scripture does not teach us about God because only God can teach us about God is creating the idea that the Holy Spirit/God would teach us something different than what is in the Word of God.

That is not true. The Word of God stengthens us in understanding. The Holy Spirit leads us in all truth. They work together. We are told to be as Bereans, checking what we hear with the Word of God.

God teaches us in multiple ways that all work together in edification. I'm glad I could correct that premise for you.

Goatee · Aug 29, 2015

seekingsolace said:
John you aren't responding to others posts either, just copying and pasting.

What better way for the devil to deceive you than making you believe you need no forgiveness. Telling someone who knows God that reading the Bible is pointless, and only hearing a 'voice' will give you truth will raise eyebrows. I would rather test the spirits by the Word of God, than be led blindly by a serpent.

This is so true

ToBeLoved · Aug 29, 2015

antletems said:
Thing is, If what you are told is against anything in Scripture then you must know that it could very well be satan that is trying to ensnare you!

Exactly. That is how we know truth. Very well put in an easy way to understand!

ToBeLoved · Aug 29, 2015

antletems said:
The thing is, you can always turn to scripture to find out if you are indeed hearing Gods voice / command. Scripture is God and if you are told something that is not from God then you know it is Satan tempting you!

And that is a very important point. God does not lead us to confusion, satan does that. That is why the Word and the Holy Spirit are always in sync, because truth always substantiates truth.

ToBeLoved · Aug 29, 2015

antletems said:
This is so true

Yes it is.

Johnlove1 · Aug 29, 2015

ToBeLoved said:
. God does not lead us to confusion

Yes and why did Jesus teach in parables?

(Mathew 13:10-15) “And the disciples came and said to Him, "Why do you speak to them in parables?" Jesus answered them, "To you it has been granted to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it has not been granted. "For whoever has, to him more shall be given, and he will have an abundance; but whoever does not have, even what he has shall be taken away from him. "Therefore I speak to them in parables; because while seeing they do not see, and while hearing they do not hear, nor do they understand. "In their case the prophecy of Isaiah is being fulfilled, which says, 'YOU WILL KEEP ON HEARING, BUT WILL NOT UNDERSTAND; YOU WILL KEEP ON SEEING, BUT WILL NOT PERCEIVE; FOR THE HEART OF THIS PEOPLE HAS BECOME DULL, WITH THEIR EARS THEY SCARCELY HEAR, AND THEY HAVE CLOSED THEIR EYES, OTHERWISE THEY WOULD SEE WITH THEIR EYES, HEAR WITH THEIR EARS, AND UNDERSTAND WITH THEIR HEART AND RETURN, AND I WOULD HEAL THEM.'”

Strong in Him · Aug 29, 2015

Johnlove1 said:
Yes and why did Jesus teach in parables?

So that people would think about his teaching for themselves.

If he had just said, "anyone who is kind to you is your neighbour, even if they are a Samaritan" people would have said, " no way! We're not having anything to do with them." So he told a parable in which the people they would have expected to help the injured man, walked past him, and the one who was an enemy, stopped to help and showed him kindness.
Jesus then said, "go and do likewise."

The crowd would have been able to think about that.

ToBeLoved · Aug 29, 2015

Johnlove1 said:
Yes and why did Jesus teach in parables?

(Mathew 13:10-15) “And the disciples came and said to Him, "Why do you speak to them in parables?" Jesus answered them, "To you it has been granted to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it has not been granted. "For whoever has, to him more shall be given, and he will have an abundance; but whoever does not have, even what he has shall be taken away from him. "Therefore I speak to them in parables; because while seeing they do not see, and while hearing they do not hear, nor do they understand. "In their case the prophecy of Isaiah is being fulfilled, which says, 'YOU WILL KEEP ON HEARING, BUT WILL NOT UNDERSTAND; YOU WILL KEEP ON SEEING, BUT WILL NOT PERCEIVE; FOR THE HEART OF THIS PEOPLE HAS BECOME DULL, WITH THEIR EARS THEY SCARCELY HEAR, AND THEY HAVE CLOSED THEIR EYES, OTHERWISE THEY WOULD SEE WITH THEIR EYES, HEAR WITH THEIR EARS, AND UNDERSTAND WITH THEIR HEART AND RETURN, AND I WOULD HEAL THEM.'”

Sorry, this has nothing to do with you not accepting scripture as being a way of God teaching us.

Can we get back to the topic we were discussing?

How can the Word of God not be in complete accordince with the teaching of the Holy Spirit? The Holy Spirit testifies of Jesus Christ. The Son of God is the Word.

How do you explain saying that God does not teach us about Himself through scripture? Please answer the question.

Strong in Him · Aug 29, 2015

ToBeLoved said:
How can the Word of God not be in complete accordince with the teaching of the Holy Spirit? The Holy Spirit testifies of Jesus Christ. The Son of God is the Word.

How do you explain saying that God does not teach us about Himself through scripture? Please answer the question.

Amen! Great post.

hislegacy · Aug 29, 2015

What was Paul's charge to Timothy?

Study to show your self approved.

2 Timothy 2:15

Study for yourself.

The Bereans were commended for searching the scripture

Timothy was instructed to study the scriptures

I'll stay with the instruction of the apostles.

Johnlove1 · Aug 29, 2015

ToBeLoved said:
Sorry, this has nothing to do with you not accepting scripture as being a way of God teaching us.

Can we get back to the topic we were discussing?

How can the Word of God not be in complete accordince with the teaching of the Holy Spirit? The Holy Spirit testifies of Jesus Christ. The Son of God is the Word.

How do you explain saying that God does not teach us about Himself through scripture? Please answer the question.

You have it right, God in the written Word teaches about himself.

The Holy Spirit bring us to know God, not about God.

(1 Corinthians 2:10-16) “These are the very things that God has revealed to us through the Spirit, for the Spirit reaches the depts. Of everything, even the depths of God. After all, the depths of a man can only be known by his own spirit, not by any other man, and in the same way the depths of God can only be known by the Spirit of God.---------“

Like Paul said only God knows the depths of God.

God gave us his Holy Spirit to teach us, and people want to believe the written Word, can teach as well as God?

(1 John 2: 27) “But you have not lost the anointing that he gave you, and you do not need anyone to teach you; the anointing he gave teaches you everything: you are anointed with truth, not with a lie, and as it has taught you, so you must stay in him.”

ToBeLoved · Aug 29, 2015

Johnlove1 said:
You have it right, God in the written Word teaches about himself.

The Holy Spirit bring us to know God, not about God.

(1 Corinthians 2:10-16) “These are the very things that God has revealed to us through the Spirit, for the Spirit reaches the depts. Of everything, even the depths of God. After all, the depths of a man can only be known by his own spirit, not by any other man, and in the same way the depths of God can only be known by the Spirit of God.---------“

Wow! That is a very short sighted opinion. Now I am much less surprised that you don't really understand scripture in the correct context. Seems like you don't see it as very important.

From your words you have chosen, it seems that your heart is hard to really understanding the Word and not really understanding God. Why bother with this thread then?

P.S. Just wanted to share with you that the Holy Spirit IS God. The Son is the Word. The Son IS God.

Johnlove1 · Aug 29, 2015

ToBeLoved said:
Wow! That is a very short sighted opinion. Now I am much less surprised that you don't really understand scripture in the correct context. Seems like you don't see it as very important.

From your words you have chosen, it seems that your heart is hard to really understanding the Word and not really understanding God. Why bother with this thread then?

P.S. Just wanted to share with you that the Holy Spirit IS God. The Son is the Word. The Son IS God.

You wrote all those words, and all it express is your opinion?

Come one if you can show how my post is missing the mark with something other than your opinion, show us.

By the way I know that the Holy Spirit is God, and nothing I ever said indicated that I believe otherwise.

ToBeLoved · Aug 29, 2015

Johnlove1 said:
You wrote all those words, and all it express is your opinion?

Come one if you can show how my post is missing the mark with something other than your opinion, show us.

By the way I know that the Holy Spirit is God, and nothing I ever said indicated that I believe otherwise.

No one has yet to have any problem with my theology but you.

Four to five people in this thread have corrected yours and you keep using the same four scripture out of context.

Do you read the entire chapter to understand the context of the verses that you quote? Verses of scripture cannot be understood without the words before and after said verses. Why don't you get more in depth and show why the context that you are using this scripture in is correct? That would show us something.

Johnlove1 · Aug 29, 2015

ToBeLoved said:
No one has yet to have any problem with my theology but you.

Four to five people in this thread have corrected yours and you keep using the same four scripture out of context.

Do you read the entire chapter to understand the context of the verses that you quote? Verses of scripture cannot be understood without the words before and after said verses. Why don't you get more in depth and show why the context that you are using this scripture in is correct? That would show us something.

It is insulting someone to tell them that they have used scripture out of context, and have no proof that is true.

There is no way I have ever used any scripture out of context.

You don’t even dare to quote the scripture that you say I took out of context.

If you did it would show others how wrong you

hislegacy · Aug 30, 2015

seekingsolace said:
Nonsense, we are urged to search the scriptures for a reason. I find it concerning that you ignore the Word of God yet claim to hear His voice. Yet when you come to deciding deceit from truth, I hope you are prepared. Or shall we ignore Jesus Himself warding off the devil with scriptures?

ironically the devil would love for you to not know the Scriptures.

seekingsolace said:
John you aren't responding to others posts either, just copying and pasting.

What better way for the devil to deceive you than making you believe you need no forgiveness. Telling someone who knows God that reading the Bible is pointless, and only hearing a 'voice' will give you truth will raise eyebrows. I would rather test the spirits by the Word of God, than be led blindly by a serpent.

Great words of wisdom

ToBeLoved · Aug 30, 2015

Johnlove1 said:
It is insulting someone to tell them that they have used scripture out of context, and have no proof that is true.

There is no way I have ever used any scripture out of context.

You don’t even dare to quote the scripture that you say I took out of context.

If you did it would show others how wrong you

I will actually take you up on that. I'll be back this afternoon when I have more time to write it up.

hislegacy · Aug 30, 2015

Still waiting for your reply to:

Simply Put said:
Examples of the writers you are referring to please.

Johnlove1 · Aug 31, 2015

One knows if it is the Holy Spirit/Jesus teaching him or her, because they stop sinning.

The Holy Spirit gives one the knowledge of the truth.

When one comes to know God, as the Holy Spirit does, he or she loves God, and one who loves God keeps God’s Commandments, and God’s Commandments include not sinning.

(John 14:21) “Anybody who receives my commandments and keeps them will be one who loves me; and anybody who loves me will be loved by My Father, and I shall love him and show myself to him.”

(John 14: 23) “Anyone who loves me will keep my word and my Father will love him, and we shall come to him and make a home in him.”

Jesus tells us who it is that loves him.

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