The 5th Seal is the 1st Resurrection

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Here's a stumbling block for all non Preterists: Revelation's 5th seal was the 1st Resurrection!

Rev 6:9 And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:
Rev 6:10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?
Rev 6:11 And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.


These are the "great multitude" in Rev 7:

Rev 7:9 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;
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Rev 7:13 And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they?
Rev 7:14 And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
Rev 7:15 Therefore are they before the throne of God, and serve him day and night in his temple: and he that sitteth on the throne shall dwell among them.


There should be no doubt about the fact that the 1st resurrection is the 5th seal, and it's not a rapture!

I could go more into detail on the little season they're to rest for, but I won't. What I can tell you is that it's connected to the 6th seal which is "the day of the Lord" and to Christ's 2nd coming and Olivet discourse prophecy:

Rev 6:12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;
Rev 6:13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.
Rev 6:14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.
Rev 6:15 And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;
Rev 6:16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:
Rev 6:17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?


Which is:

Mat 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
Mat 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
Mat 24:31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.


Which is:

Mat 25:31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:
Mat 25:32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:
Mat 25:33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.
Mat 25:34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:

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Mat 25:41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
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Mat 25:46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

Which is:

Rev 20:11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.
Rev 20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
Rev 20:13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
Rev 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
Rev 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.


Which was preceded by:

Rev 20:1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
Rev 20:2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
Rev 20:3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
Rev 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
Rev 20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.



It's only natural to realize the 6th seal is the 2nd coming of Christ, the 2nd Resurrection, the fulfillment of the Olivet discourse parable of those standing there not "tasting death" until witnessing the Son of Man coming into his kingdom, etc:

Mat 16:28 Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.
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Mar 9:1 And he said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That there be some of them that stand here, which shall not taste of death, till they have seen the kingdom of God come with power.
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Luk 9:27 But I tell you of a truth, there be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the kingdom of God.


I particularly like the following verse:

Jhn 8:52 Then said the Jews unto him, Now we know that thou hast a devil. Abraham is dead, and the prophets; and thou sayest, If a man keep my saying, he shall never taste of death.

So what is death?


A verse I found interesting to note:

Heb 2:9 But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.

I don't think the world have fully grasped this concept yet.


But back to the subject, for those of you who can't accept the fact Revelation and the 1st and 2nd resurrections occured in heaven, I've provided these verses:

Rev 4:1 After this I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said, Come up hither, and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter.
Rev 4:2 And immediately I was in the spirit: and, behold, a throne was set in heaven, and one sat on the throne.
Rev 4:3 And he that sat was to look upon like a jasper and a sardine stone: and there was a rainbow round about the throne, in sight like unto an emerald.


Which is:

Dan 7:9 I beheld till the thrones were cast down, and the Ancient of days did sit, whose garment was white as snow, and the hair of his head like the pure wool: his throne was like the fiery flame, and his wheels as burning fire.
Dan 7:10 A fiery stream issued and came forth from before him: thousand thousands ministered unto him, and ten thousand times ten thousand stood before him: the judgment was set, and the books were opened.


Which is also:

Dan 7:21 I beheld, and the same horn made war with the saints, and prevailed against them;
Dan 7:22 Until the Ancient of days came, and judgment was given to the saints of the most High; and the time came that the saints possessed the kingdom.
Dan 7:23 Thus he said, The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth, which shall be diverse from all kingdoms, and shall devour the whole earth, and shall tread it down, and break it in pieces.


Why Revelation isn't understood, because the wars occur in heaven when the ten Roman kings (the fallen angels) attack heaven with the power of the Beast.

Rev 17:12 And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast.

Their thrones cast down in Dan 7:9, the ten Roman kings again confirmed by Daniel:

Dan 7:23 Thus he said, The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth, which shall be diverse from all kingdoms, and shall devour the whole earth, and shall tread it down, and break it in pieces.
Dan 7:24 And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise: and another shall rise after them; and he shall be diverse from the first, and he shall subdue three kings.



The clincher:

Heb 12:18 For ye are not come unto the mount that might be touched, and that burned with fire, nor unto blackness, and darkness, and tempest,
Heb 12:19 And the sound of a trumpet, and the voice of words; which voice they that heard intreated that the word should not be spoken to them any more:
Heb 12:20 (For they could not endure that which was commanded, And if so much as a beast touch the mountain, it shall be stoned, or thrust through with a dart:
Heb 12:21And so terrible was the sight, that Moses said, I exceedingly fear and quake:)
Heb 12:22 But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels,
Heb 12:23 To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,



This is the above described scene in Daniel and in Revelation, and guess what? This is the Yahrushalem that's replaced with the new one in Rev 21. The new heavens and earth happens where the old heavenly heaven, earth, and city was.

We are awaiting the "Wheat and Tares" harvest/resurrection of this physical world into the New Yahrushalem (the barn) or the lake of fire. There will be no throne judgement in this 3rd and final resurrection/harvest.

Mat 13:30 Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.


This is what 1 Thes 4:13-18 is all about.

Food for thought!
 
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The resurrection of the just is in the time of the 6th seal after the 7th
trumpet sounds.
The trumps, seals, and vials aren't in chronological order when it comes to events. The 5th seal is still the 1st Resurrection.

The souls speaking in the 5th seal are not yet the wife
that has been arrayed. They wear martyrs robes, not the white robes of
righteousness of Rev. 19.
There's no verse in Revelation that supports your claim. You're making it up and adding to scripture. It is the white robes that proves they are the great multitude because there's only one group of people resurrected and wearing white robes.

Mystery, Babylon will be avenged by God before
the wife will be arrayed.
Nonsense! Rev 7, where the great multitude is seen wearing white robes, is before the war. Even the opening of the 7 seals is before that. What are you thinking? That is what makes the 1st resurrection the 5th seal, because it happens after Christ takes the book and begin to loose the 7 seals.


The 5th seal must end before God will avenge the
blood of the martyrs.
The 5th seal is the 1st Resurrection which is Rev 7's resurrection of the great multitude and the 144,000. None resurrected is seen in heaven until the opening of the seals, which means the 5th seal was the 1st resurrection.
 
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Rev 6:11 And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.
Rev 7:9 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;

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Rev 7:13 And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they?

Based on this white robe theory, the number of the great multitude which no one can count are 24 elders. Well another mystery solved.

Revelation 4:4 Around the throne were twenty-four thrones, and on the thrones I saw twenty-four elders sitting, clothed in white robes; and they had crowns of gold on their heads.​
 
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Based on this white robe theory, the number of the great multitude which no one can count are 24 elders. Well another mystery solved.

Revelation 4:4 Around the throne were twenty-four thrones, and on the thrones I saw twenty-four elders sitting, clothed in white robes; and they had crowns of gold on their heads.​
I'm sure you meant the 4 released Euphrates angels being 200 million. Each angel being 50 million an angel.
 
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Oh yeah I'm sure there's a verse somewhere that say the 200 million are dressed in white robes.
It makes as much sense "as the great multitude, that can't be numbered, equaling 24 elders."

Your exact words were, "Based on this white robe theory, the number of the great multitude which no one can count are 24 elders. Well another mystery solved."

Now, if you meant the 24 elders were part of the 1st resurrected, which they are, the "great multitude" still doesn't appear until after the 7 seals (the book sealed) begins to open.
 
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It makes as much sense "as the great multitude, that can't be numbered, equaling 24 elders."

Your exact words were, "Based on this white robe theory, the number of the great multitude which no one can count are 24 elders. Well another mystery solved."

Now, if you meant the 24 elders were part of the 1st resurrected, which they are, the "great multitude" still doesn't appear until after the 7 seals (the book sealed) begins to open.

If you're trying to blow smoke with this thread, it's more effective using a pipe. That way you don't have to work at covering up the obvious hot air. Scent don't lie, I smell a troll thread.
 
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Washed robes are different.
The 24 elders do not have those, but martyrs will.
There's nothing in the text that suggest what you're claim. You're speculating.

The fact the remains the great multitude isn't seen until the unsealing of the book; so the 1st resurrection is still part of the seals, trumps, and vials.

Plus, the 6th seal is the 2nd Resurrection's separation of the sheep from the goats. That, for sure, is fact.
 
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If you're trying to blow smoke with this thread, it's more effective using a pipe. That way you don't have to work at covering up the obvious hot air. Scent don't lie, I smell a troll thread.
I smell an abuser of my pearls.
 
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The 24 elders are not resurrected. They will cast off their crowns and not get new ones.
So far no one has put on eternal life other than Jesus Christ. Hebrews tells how the OT
saints would not be made perfect without the church saints joining them.
White robes are given to all who over came the tribulation, and the 24 elders are wearing white robes. Why?


Hebrews 11:40
"...they without us should not be made perfect."

The 24 elders are elect angels that we are charged before up to the time of Jesus
Christ's return and time to judge the dead. 7th trumpet /Revelation 11:18
Okay, I see your point, but why are they wearing white robes?

Maybe you're right in that they aren't resurrected, but are 24 angels. It still reinforces the fact the "great multitude" isn't seen until the releasing of the seals.


The time of Revelation 7 begins before the 7th seal is ever opened.
You're speculating. The two witnesses aren't mentioned nowhere in heaven. After they are told to come up to heaven, what happens to them?


The time of the 6th seal end of the great tribulation happens before the 7th seal
is ever opened.
Revelation 11/7th trumpet - is when the seated elders will fall down for the time
of the end of Revelation 4.
The sixth seal is the 2nd Resurrection; "the day of the Lord;" the separation of the sheep from the goats; the day the sky turns to blood, etc; which is fact.
 
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The sheep and goats are separated after the time of the final Gog attempt ends and it
is time for the new heaven and new earth. Don't just look at Matthew 24, but read on
how also in Mark and Luke Jesus switched to telling about the day and hour that no man
knows and that is when He is about to create the new heaven and new earth.
The still living never died people will have to be separated. They are judged as to feeding
people and clothing people. This is not a judgment from a time that buying and selling required the mark of the beast, or such. Time will pass after the final Gog attempt. He will then sit on a great white throne to judge the evil dead. Wicked angels and all else wicked will be cast into the lake of fire. The goats people (it seems) are cut asunder/lashed and taken to be burned while He sits on the throne of His glory. The sheep are noted as righteous and inherit - eternal life - the kingdom/the new heaven/new earth time.
You lack understanding. The 6th seal is the "2nd Resurrection." No one still
living takes part in the "2nd Resurrection." This is where "the rich man" looks
up from and sees Lazarus in "Abraham's bosom," because both first and second resurrections happened in heaven. The
"wheat and tares," 7th trump harvest/resurrection is what we
are awaiting, the reason
why "the rich man" asked God to warn his brothers of the pending lake of fire "eternal" torment. It is the only place this parable could have taken place. We've been thru this already.


In the time of the seven vials, look how in Rev. 16 the battles seem to have ended.
The three spirits come out to go to the world. A warning seems to go out telling the people
they need to keep their garments -clothes - /skin or they will walk naked. This is not
a message that comes ahead of the rapture time, because the church will get new clothes/
eternal life clothes.
You're not even making sense. The waters were dried up to make way for the Medians who conquered Babylon.


These people in Rev. 16 must stay alive as Jesus Christ won't
be saving anymore dead people in the grave. 2 Cor. 5 shows that the church desires
to be clothed upon. Yet, those in Rev. 16 aren't being permitted new clothes. They
are the people of Daniel 12 that must wait and come to the 1335th day to be blessed.
Daniel rises -stands in his lot at the 1290th day. The other people can't go as he did.
They can't go and rest, or they will walk naked when Jesus Christ returns with His
saints at the battle for the end of Rev. 19.
Nothing you say makes sense because you're speculating. The 6th seal is the second resurrection when the moon turns to blood, etc. It is the day of God's vengeance. When the 5th seal was opened, those under the altar asked God when was He going to avenge them. The 6th seal/2nd resurrection judgement is that vengeance. The little season they were to wait is the 1,000yrs reign to be avenged at the Great White Throne judgement. There's no doubt about the fact.


The 6th seal is when the great tribulation ends and so does the vision.
Yes, but not the world. The prophecy, yes, but not the world.


Revelation 7:1 is when a new vision about the future begins to be told.
It too, shows events that will occur during the great tribulation.
Rev 7:1 is the 5th seal. The 6th seal is after the 1,000
yrs reign. Rev 7:1 isn't
after the 1,000yrs reign.

Get it together man!
 
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I believe there is more than one set of 24 elders in heaven. The white robes
are not noted as washed like the Rev. 7//5th seal people did.
Revelation 7:14 ///"came out of great tribulation, and have washed their
robes..."

I think the 24 elders that still reign earned their reward somehow, just as the elders
that are not seated have done. 1 Timothy 5:21 ///"....the elect angels..."
But when Jesus is about to return, we find the elect angels get left out.
2 Timothy 4:1

4:1
I charge thee...before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and
the dead at his appearing and his kingdom."
the - appearing of His kingdom time
An announcement goes out in heaven and the 24 elders, which sat before God on their
seats, fell. What time does Revelation 11 show it is when the seated 24 elders fall?
Revelation 11:18 ///"....time of the dead, that they should be judged..."
The 24 seated elders must do what Revelation 4 shows and lose their seats and their
crowns. Jesus Christ is shown in the OT as to He will come back as exalted alone. He
will be seen per the NT on the right hand of the Father. There will be no doubt who
the true Pontentate is. Others will not be seated then as crowned rulers with Him.
The 7th trumpet is when it is time to judge the dead and reward the saints. He will
destroy those that have been destroying the earth, so we know only the righteous
are raised from the dead at the 7th trumpet. He will reward the saints. Luke 14:14
shows that this time of reward comes when the time of the resurrection of the just
happens.
You read too much into the text. Now that I've taught about it, the 24 elders aren't mentioned anywhere else in any vision where God's throne is seen. But the 4 living creatures and the "innumerable amount of angels" are, Dan 7:9-10. So they have to be the resurrected line of High Priests, probably from Aaron or from the high priest of Solomon's day to Joshua/Yahsha the high priest crowned king and high priest post Babylon. Remember the high priests wore crowns, Zech 6:9-15.



The great multitude is seen in a different vision from the one for the seals
1-6/ or so. Revelation 7:1 starts a whole new vision. after -
See how Revelation 4:1 also started a new vision? - after
The great multitude is seen before the 7th seal is opened.
Again, you're not making sense. Rev 4:1 is the setting up of God's throne in heaven, Dan 7:9-10. That's the beginning of Revelation when Christ comes on a cloud and is brought before the throne to unseal the book. The seals are opened before the "great multitude" is seen or the 144,000 sealed because they are the 5th seal. The commandment to not hurt the grass or the earth until God's servants are sealed is going out to the 4 released seals (the 4 horsemen/beasts), which proves Rev 7 is the 5th seal.
 
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