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Absolutely it. And your avoidance is kind of strange to me.

Why do you have such a hard time answering such a simple question?

If I had been asked the same question, my answer would be a simple "scripture of course".

My conversations with the ahold Spirit and Jesus always, but always confirm His Word.

I asked about the Bereans because they indeed were Born Again and Filled with the Holy Spirit, yet upon hearing the Apostles teach, they confirmed what they heard with Scripture and the Apostles commended them for it.

that is true still today.
 
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Absolutely it. And your avoidance is kind of strange to me.

Why do you have such a hard time answering such a simple question?

If I had been asked the same question, my answer would be a simple "scripture of course".

My conversations with the ahold Spirit and Jesus always, but always confirm His Word.

I asked about the Bereans because they indeed were Born Again and Filled with the Holy Spirit, yet upon hearing the Apostles teach, they confirmed what they heard with Scripture and the Apostles commended them for it.

that is true still today.
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What I know is this, the written Word of God was not needed until the Church stopped obeying the Holy Spirit.

Not true.

The OT is part of the written word of God; Jesus and the disciples had, read, followed and quoted from the OT.
The OT prophesied Jesus' coming, ministry, death and resurrection, and Jesus fulfilled these prophecies. Some people living in OT times had the Holy Spirit, but he did not live in them and was not poured out upon all people until Pentecost.

I believe Jesus knew the disciples would write the Gospels, and other books because he said that the Holy Spirit would remind them of everything he had said. In the early church, the teaching of the apostles - those who had been with and seen Jesus - was the final authority. When they came to compile the NT, if a book was not by an apostle, by the friend of an apostle or someone who had known them well, it was not included. The Holy Spirit inspired the writers of the Gospels and epistles.

Because the Church no longer had the Holy Spirit leading it, then God gave it the written Word. The written Word is a very poor replacement for the Holy Spirit.

Again, no.
The Spirit inspired those who wrote the NT. That is why it is the written word of God - which you yourself admit - because it is from God and BY God.
God still speaks to people today, through his Holy Spirit, but he will not, and does not, contradict Scripture. So if anyone says "God told me ....." and then says something which contradicts Scripture - like the Moonies do - then it was NOT God who spoke to them. That's how we test the spirits and test whether a prophet is true or false - by Scripture.

Are you saying that if we have the Holy Spirit we don't need the Bible? And if we use the Bible it's because we don't have the Holy Spirit?
I'm asking a question, not making an accusation - this is what your words imply and I'm asking for clarification.

The written Word of God has been twisted by man, and history writings can’t be trusted verily at all.

So you say that the Bible is the written word of God, and that Jesus personally told you that the Bible is the written word of God, and then say that people twist it and it can't be trusted.

I would have thought that historical writing in the Bible can be absolutely trusted because it can be checked and the facts verified. If a non Christian told me that they couldn't trust the Bible because it was make believe, or made up, I would point out that a lot of it is history and encourage them to look in books to find out if the various people - Herod, Pontius Pilate, Moses, Joshua - and places - the temple, Herod's palace etc. - existed. If they did, and the Bible can be trusted on historical matters, then there is less reason to say that it is ALL made up.

And if you are saying that the historical writings in the Bible can't be trusted, then you are effectively saying that you don't really trust the Bible - which you have already said is the written word of God.
 
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Strange I tell you that Jesus told me, and I know from him that the bible is God’s written Word.


The Word of God is not inaccurate, but some people’s translations are very inaccurate.

I believe the King James Version to be an inaccurate version.

But it is by far better than some of the newer versions.

So the Bible is God's written word. But the KJV is inaccurate, the Jerusalem Bible is not always right either, the newer versions are presumably inaccurate too, even more so than the KJV, and some have been watered down as well?

Presumably you read the Bible in the original Hebrew and Greek then?

If not, how can you say you believe the Bible to be the word of God, when you don't seem to trust it and believe that people only have it because the church stopped trusting the Holy Spirit?
 
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I would say the Bible can be trusted. What can't be trusted is man's interpretations of it!

But as John Stott - and others - said "The Bible means what it's authors intended it to mean". So the first question is, have we studied the text, context, background, language etc to find out what the authors meant and wanted to communicate?

The application of various passages and teachings may vary from person to person - it is the Holy Spirit who applies God's word to our lives to shape us into Jesus' image and likeness. But the meaning is whatever the authors meant.
 
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lectio divina is a method as you probably know where one reads a passage in the gospels etc and then let it reflect on you. Put 20 people in a room with this and one passage could be interpreted 20 ways!
 
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But as John Stott - and others - said "The Bible means what it's authors intended it to mean". So the first question is, have we studied the text, context, background, language etc to find out what the authors meant and wanted to communicate?

The application of various passages and teachings may vary from person to person - it is the Holy Spirit who applies God's word to our lives to shape us into Jesus' image and likeness. But the meaning is whatever the authors meant.
The only true way to understand what the author meant is to have the Holy Spirit/Jesus tell him or her.

The Holy Spirit can teach different lessons using the same scripture.

There truly is no need for one to read the written Word of God if he or she is being taught by God.

I very rarely read the bible for the first year of Jesus teaching me.

After a year or so Jesus told me to get more into God’s written Word. I found it was not because Jesus wanted to use the bible to teach me. It was because Jesus knew what he was going to have me do in the future.


Jesus has me give a word, and in order to do that I needed to know what the written Word of God says.

(1 Corinthians 2:10-16) “These are the very things that God has revealed to us through the Spirit, for the Spirit reaches the depts. Of everything, even the depths of God. After all, the depths of a man can only be known by his own spirit, not by any other man, and in the same way the depths of God can only be known by the Spirit of God.---------“
 
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True as everyone will get their own from different passages in scripture!

God wants us to gain from scripture. He wants us to be closer to him. We can all get different things from the same passage in the Bible!
 
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The Holy Spirit can teach different lessons using the same scripture.

True as everyone will get their own from different passages in scripture!

God wants us to gain from scripture. He wants us to be closer to him. We can all get different things from the same passage in the Bible!

That's what I said - the Holy Spirit applies Scripture to our lives in different ways.

There truly is no need for one to read the written Word of God if he or she is being taught by God.

There certainly is.
For one thing how do you know that it is GOD who is teaching you and not some other spirit, or just your own ideas or imagination? And if you DO know, how is anyone else supposed to?
Anyone can say "God spoke to me", and thousands have said that. In some cases it's really true - but the Yorkshire Ripper said that the reason he killed prostitutes is because God told him to do so. Did the law believe him? No, they locked him up.

If you don't read the word of God you won't know what's in it. And then, if someone says "God said this" or "God is like this" you won't know whether it's true or not.

I very rarely read the bible for the first year of Jesus teaching me.

That was your loss, then.
You need to be 100% certain that it is Jesus who is teaching you and not someone else, and the best way to do that is to check that what he says is in the Bible. The Word of God will never contradict the written word of God.
 
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Not true.

The OT is part of the written word of God; Jesus and the disciples had, read, followed and quoted from the OT.
The OT prophesied Jesus' coming, ministry, death and resurrection, and Jesus fulfilled these prophecies. Some people living in OT times had the Holy Spirit, but he did not live in them and was not poured out upon all people until Pentecost.

I believe Jesus knew the disciples would write the Gospels, and other books because he said that the Holy Spirit would remind them of everything he had said. In the early church, the teaching of the apostles - those who had been with and seen Jesus - was the final authority. When they came to compile the NT, if a book was not by an apostle, by the friend of an apostle or someone who had known them well, it was not included. The Holy Spirit inspired the writers of the Gospels and epistles.



Again, no.
The Spirit inspired those who wrote the NT. That is why it is the written word of God - which you yourself admit - because it is from God and BY God.
God still speaks to people today, through his Holy Spirit, but he will not, and does not, contradict Scripture. So if anyone says "God told me ....." and then says something which contradicts Scripture - like the Moonies do - then it was NOT God who spoke to them. That's how we test the spirits and test whether a prophet is true or false - by Scripture.

Are you saying that if we have the Holy Spirit we don't need the Bible? And if we use the Bible it's because we don't have the Holy Spirit?
I'm asking a question, not making an accusation - this is what your words imply and I'm asking for clarification.



So you say that the Bible is the written word of God, and that Jesus personally told you that the Bible is the written word of God, and then say that people twist it and it can't be trusted.

I would have thought that historical writing in the Bible can be absolutely trusted because it can be checked and the facts verified. If a non Christian told me that they couldn't trust the Bible because it was make believe, or made up, I would point out that a lot of it is history and encourage them to look in books to find out if the various people - Herod, Pontius Pilate, Moses, Joshua - and places - the temple, Herod's palace etc. - existed. If they did, and the Bible can be trusted on historical matters, then there is less reason to say that it is ALL made up.

And if you are saying that the historical writings in the Bible can't be trusted, then you are effectively saying that you don't really trust the Bible - which you have already said is the written word of God.

Excellent post.
 
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This makes no sense whatsoever.

Scripture is the written Word of God, butvyouvdont need it and it should not be read.

The Apostles quoted scripture to show who Jesus was and is.
Jesus extensivly quoted the Old Tesstament
Paul disputed scripture with the Jews
The Word is Divinly inspired by the Holy Spirit Himself
The Berean Christians were commended by the apostles for searching it.

And someone promotes not reading it. Says it's not needed

Eyeshadow!
 
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There certainly is.
For one thing how do you know that it is GOD who is teaching you and not some other spirit, or just your own ideas or imagination? And if you DO know, how is anyone else supposed to?
Anyone can say "God spoke to me", and thousands have said that. In some cases it's really true - but the Yorkshire Ripper said that the reason he killed prostitutes is because God told him to do so. Did the law believe him? No, they locked him up.

If you don't read the word of God you won't know what's in it. And then, if someone says "God said this" or "God is like this" you won't know whether it's true or not.
Jesus told us that he would call his people out by name, and they would recognize his voice and follow no other.

The fruit that comes from God teaching one is good. One does not need the written Word of God to know if what he or she is being taught is producing good fruit or not.

Jesus teaches love, and if one sins he or she is not loving God, no his or her brother/neighbor. So when it is God teaching someone he or she will not sin.


Do you know of anyone who has stopped sinning because they were reading the bible?

It is easy for people to ignore the written Word of God, but when Jesus/Holy Spirit teaches him or her that is very hard to ignore.

People who read the bible on the most part ignore the following scripture.


(Matthew 7:21) “It is not those who say to me, ‘Lord, Lord’, who will enter the kingdom of Heaven but the person who does the will of My Father in Heaven. When the day comes many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, cast out demons in your name, work many miracles in your name?’ Then I shall tell them to their faces: I have never known you; away from me, you evil men!”


(John 14: 23) “Anyone who loves me will keep my word and my Father will love him, and we shall come to him and make a home in him.”


(John 14:21) “Anybody who receives my commandments and keeps them will be one who loves me; and anybody who loves me will be loved by My Father, and I shall love him and show myself to him.”


(1 John 3:9-10) “No one who has been begotten by God sins; because God’s seed remains inside him, he cannot sin when he has been begotten by God. In this way we distinguish the children of God from the children of the devil: anybody not living a holy life and not loving his brother is no child of God’s.”


Telling someone who thinks they know God by reading the bible that a born again Christian/one begotten by God, can’t sin is almost always ignored.
 
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There truly is no need for one to read the written Word of God if he or she is being taught by God.
Nonsense, we are urged to search the scriptures for a reason. I find it concerning that you ignore the Word of God yet claim to hear His voice. Yet when you come to deciding deceit from truth, I hope you are prepared. Or shall we ignore Jesus Himself warding off the devil with scriptures?

ironically the devil would love for you to not know the Scriptures.
 
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Jesus told us that he would call his people out by name, and they would recognize his voice and follow no other.

The fruit that comes from God teaching one is good. One does not need the written Word of God to know if what he or she is being taught is producing good fruit or not.

Jesus teaches love, and if one sins he or she is not loving God, no his or her brother/neighbor. So when it is God teaching someone he or she will not sin.


Do you know of anyone who has stopped sinning because they were reading the bible?

It is easy for people to ignore the written Word of God, but when Jesus/Holy Spirit teaches him or her that is very hard to ignore.

People who read the bible on the most part ignore the following scripture.


(Matthew 7:21) “It is not those who say to me, ‘Lord, Lord’, who will enter the kingdom of Heaven but the person who does the will of My Father in Heaven. When the day comes many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, cast out demons in your name, work many miracles in your name?’ Then I shall tell them to their faces: I have never known you; away from me, you evil men!”


(John 14: 23) “Anyone who loves me will keep my word and my Father will love him, and we shall come to him and make a home in him.”


(John 14:21) “Anybody who receives my commandments and keeps them will be one who loves me; and anybody who loves me will be loved by My Father, and I shall love him and show myself to him.”


(1 John 3:9-10) “No one who has been begotten by God sins; because God’s seed remains inside him, he cannot sin when he has been begotten by God. In this way we distinguish the children of God from the children of the devil: anybody not living a holy life and not loving his brother is no child of God’s.”


Telling someone who thinks they know God by reading the bible that a born again Christian/one begotten by God, can’t sin is almost always ignored.
You keep quoting the same verses over and over and different people keep telling you are wrong. Do you see a pattern here? These people do know scripture ya know.
 
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The thing is, you can always turn to scripture to find out if you are indeed hearing Gods voice / command. Scripture is God and if you are told something that is not from God then you know it is Satan tempting you!
 
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I read and quote scripture.

Can any of you respond to my post telling you why it is not necessary, and why having God teach him or her the only way one can come to know God?

By the way scripture tells us only God can bring one to know God.

(1 Corinthians 2:10-16) “These are the very things that God has revealed to us through the Spirit, for the Spirit reaches the depts. Of everything, even the depths of God. After all, the depths of a man can only be known by his own spirit, not by any other man, and in the same way the depths of God can only be known by the Spirit of God.---------“

Jesus told us that he would call his people out by name, and they would recognize his voice and follow no other.

The fruit that comes from God teaching one is good. One does not need the written Word of God to know if what he or she is being taught is producing good fruit or not.

Jesus teaches love, and if one sins he or she is not loving God, no his or her brother/neighbor. So when it is God teaching someone he or she will not sin.


Do you know of anyone who has stopped sinning because they were reading the bible?

It is easy for people to ignore the written Word of God, but when Jesus/Holy Spirit teaches him or her that is very hard to ignore.

People who read the bible on the most part ignore the following scripture.

(Matthew 7:21) “It is not those who say to me, ‘Lord, Lord’, who will enter the kingdom of Heaven but the person who does the will of My Father in Heaven. When the day comes many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, cast out demons in your name, work many miracles in your name?’ Then I shall tell them to their faces: I have never known you; away from me, you evil men!”


(John 14: 23) “Anyone who loves me will keep my word and my Father will love him, and we shall come to him and make a home in him.”


(John 14:21) “Anybody who receives my commandments and keeps them will be one who loves me; and anybody who loves me will be loved by My Father, and I shall love him and show myself to him.”


(1 John 3:9-10) “No one who has been begotten by God sins; because God’s seed remains inside him, he cannot sin when he has been begotten by God. In this way we distinguish the children of God from the children of the devil: anybody not living a holy life and not loving his brother is no child of God’s.”


Telling someone who thinks they know God by reading the bible that a born again Christian/one begotten by God, can’t sin is almost always ignored.


I believe you all don’t care to respond to this post.


Remember if you still sin then you are of the devil. The devil does not allow God to teach him either. I bet though the devil know every word of the bible.


(1 John 3:8) “Whoever lives sinfully belongs to the devil, since thedevilhas been a sinner from the beginning. This was the purpose of the appearing of the Son of God, to undo the work of the devil.”
 
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