Mormons Keep Affiliation With Boy Scouts Despite Decision Allowing Gay Leaders

awitch said:

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That's a large part of what it means to take responsibility for our choices. Now, take one more step with me...how does that relate to homosexuals?

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Homosexuality is a choice.

awitch said:

We all understand that is your position. It's been very well established and to be honest, I don't really care. I'm not interested in changing your mind. I'm trying to understand what are the implications of it being a choice, and why are those implications so important that Christians want to take their ball and go home rather than associate with homosexuals?

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Homosexuality is sin. Sin is chosen.

awitch said:

Are you saying that all this bitterness is about sin?

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Bitterness? What bitterness?

And sin will destroy a person.

Zoness said:

If this thread was going to be about the nature of sin you should have just said that instead of being intentionally terse and cryptic to prove a point about your opinion. I thought all humans had a sinful nature whether they wanted to or not.

That said, if its a discussion of the nature of sin then I'm not personally interested because my religion doesn't really have a concept of sin and the subject of homosexuality has been beaten to death in this thread.

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This thread began with the article about Mormons choosing to continue to participate in the Boy Scouts and their acceptance of homosexuals in leadership positions. Others, as usual, attempted to present the view that homosexuality should be acceptable, isn't a choice made by individuals and has no spiritual implications. The discussion for the past few pages have been about that.

awitch said:

Oh, you know, the whole, homosexuals are demonic, possessed, pedophiles who will cause the collapse of civilization and they need to be banned from the BSA and it's persecution to say that Christians are required to do the job they're paid to do by serving them and we should recriminalize it etc, etc, etc

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Point out an example of my bitterness.

Does one person's sin drag down all the sinless people around him?

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Sin adversely affects all of society.

awitch said:

I'm not saying you expressed bitterness.

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Ok.

You talked ad nauseam before about a person taking responsibility for his own choices and not blaming others, and suddenly now you're saying that one person can be responsible even for the sinless people in society?

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No, I'm saying that persons who choose sin can adversely impact society. Homosexuals, choosing sin, adversely affects society because of their sin against God.

awitch said:

I don't follow you. You said people are responsible for their choices, they shouldn't make excuses or blame people. So how does one person's sin affect society at large, including the sinless, if we're each responsible for our own choices? You can't have it both ways.

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Yes, each individual is responsible for their choice. It's not one person's sin, it's the sin of the practicing homosexuals....who number far more than one. This sin in society adversely affects society.

awitch said:

Homosexuals are still a small percentage of the population. So WHY and HOW is their sin affecting the sinless in society if we are EACH responsible for our OWN choices?

I really don't want to have to ask every question a hundred times to get the same one liner responses each time. I'm going to bed for the night, but I look forward to an explanatory answer tomorrow.

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Homosexuality, as well as other perversions, affects society by their sinful practices....society isn't sinless. Because we are responsible for our own choices does not negate the fact that choices of others impact us. A group of people decided to fly an airplane into large towers, they made that choice and their choice impacted me. I didn't choose that behavior, but their behavior certainly had an impact on my life. Homosexual introduces sin into society. I chose not to participate in the sin, but that doesn't mean that society is not adversely affected by the perversion of the practice. Promoting a message contrary to God's message always affects society for the worse.

gordRedeemed said:

That's what I don't get. I didn't choose to be sexually attracted to my wife, I just was. It wasn't a conscious decision. I also can't choose to be sexually attracted to my 50 year old male neighbor with the beer belly who wears a Speedo to mow his lawn. I just can't choose that. Attraction for the most part is unconscious from an experiential point of view. I don't ever recall having to consciously decided who I was or was not attracted to...

Now maybe the confusion is 'lust'? I can actively choose not to lust after another woman that is not my wife. That is a choice. You can choose to whether or not to act on an attraction.

What do you think good sir?!

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Lust, sexual attraction, same thing. A man can choose to not allow sexual attraction to another man as you can choose to not allow sexual attraction to another woman.