Hoarders,...oh,i mean preppers,

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Haa.yes the title is a fun dig and an attention grabber.

it worked if your reading this.
i tead through 50 reasons to prep...i may have to read it again as i could not find the part that spoke about doing what the lord tells each of us to do.
i did see lots of posts excusing the more uncomfortable principles of faith.

no im not saying dont prep
yes i am saying do what God tells YOU to do.

but beware those who store up thier barn then sit content while the lost perish.
 

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Everyone is a prepper to some degree. No one who has the means has just one meal in the house at a time, then buys every meal several times each day as meal time comes up. There's some food stored in the house, somewhere.

It just gets hypocritical when one person says to another, "I've created this mental line in my head where if you have more food in your house than my imagination tells me is too much, then you're paranoid and stupid. Oh, and if your reasons for having stored food are different than mine, then you're ignorant as well."

There's not enough "mind your own business, not mine" left in this world any more.
 
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but beware those who store up thier barn then sit content while the lost perish.

Really? This is what you imagine believers who are prepared are doing...sitting contentedly in their stored up places while the lost perish? I suppose the virgins who did not bring enough oil made fun of those who did, until they needed it. Of course do what the Lord tells YOU, and others will do what the Lord tells them. Seriously, I think your perspective is off here on your fellow brothers and sisters who ARE doing what the Lord has told them, and here you are poking fun at them. Of course there's always going to be those who are doing it in panic and such, but to label all into that lump is just wrong.
 
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Really? . . .
As I've mentioned before, for those of us who live in places like Australia (yes, you're a Kiwi), I know that many of my Christian friends are completely baffled by what the see occurring in the USA, but they need to appreciate that the US is a far more complex entity where many of its problems are way outside of our frame of reference.

For instance, if the need arose here in Australia where they decided to allow the private ownership of guns, I could very easily join a gun-prohibition group, but if I was working part-time in the US I could very easily own a gun and even open-carry if the need arose - and both at the same time.
 
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Really? This is what you imagine believers who are prepared are doing...sitting contentedly in their stored up places while the lost perish? I suppose the virgins who did not bring enough oil made fun of those who did, until they needed it. Of course do what the Lord tells YOU, and others will do what the Lord tells them. Seriously, I think your perspective is off here on your fellow brothers and sisters who ARE doing what the Lord has told them, and here you are poking fun at them. Of course there's always going to be those who are doing it in panic and such, but to label all into that lump is just wrong.

the virgins and their lamps relates to the infilling of the holy spirit, it illustrates that 50% on average will get their anointing from going to church or a worship service or other official religious activities, this is why it is said to go to those who sell it.

Those who are deeply connected to the Holy Spirit in their hearts have no need of such things to remain filled even if they all "fall asleep" for a season, this is what is superior about being born again. Did you notice that the wheat and the tares also speaks of a similar ratio?

on the day when Jesus "calls the virgins" he wont care how much stuff we have but how intimate we are with him. The lamp is an indication of how full of the light you are, that being Jesus Christ, God.

I recall doing some prep for Y2K because I felt lead to, so do so if you feel lead to.
 
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the virgins and their lamps relates to the infilling of the holy spirit, it illustrates that 50% on average will get their anointing from going to church or a worship service or other official religious activities, this is why it is said to go to those who sell it.

Those who are deeply connected to the Holy Spirit in their hearts have no need of such things to remain filled even if they all "fall asleep" for a season, this is what is superior about being born again. Did you notice that the wheat and the tares also speaks of a similar ratio?

on the day when Jesus "calls the virgins" he wont care how much stuff we have but how intimate we are with him. The lamp is an indication of how full of the light you are, that being Jesus Christ, God.

I recall doing some prep for Y2K because I felt lead to, so do so if you feel lead to.
Well, you have your interpretation, then there is the Bible interpretation. Either way they were prepared.
 
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As I've mentioned before, for those of us who live in places like Australia (yes, you're a Kiwi), I know that many of my Christian friends are completely baffled by what the see occurring in the USA, but they need to appreciate that the US is a far more complex entity where many of its problems are way outside of our frame of reference.

For instance, if the need arose here in Australia where they decided to allow the private ownership of guns, I could very easily join a gun-prohibition group, but if I was working part-time in the US I could very easily own a gun and even open-carry if the need arose - and both at the same time.
Kiwi huh :) Don't know if that's an insult or not, but I like the name. I like kiwi too. :)

I can totally understand the bafflement. Americans can be pretty confusing people sometimes. I don't have a gun. I've thought of it but don't sense the Lord telling me to get one. I do have a dog though and while I don't think he's dangerous, he does make a lot of noise.

I'm not necessarily a "prepper" in the full sense of the word but I see no harm in being as prepared as possible for you. I think anyone can pick up an extra can of soup or bag of beans or rice or water, and such every time they go to the grocery. I wish I'd thought of it sooner. I'm not in fear, I just don't want to be caught off guard, but if I am, I know the Lord will provide. If there is no emergency where you use it there may be a need by someone else (a prepper for Y2K gave me cans of stuff they'd bought for that disaster that did not happen), and then it's in your cupboard already so you don't have to go out and buy anything.

After experiencing 3 hurricanes while living in Florida, I discovered that it's a good idea to have some stuff on hand in case it's needed. Hurricane Charley did not hurt my dwelling but I, along with the rest of the state was without electricity. The area I lived in was the last one to get the electricity working again. We were without electricity for 2 weeks, in the middle of summer, in Florida. One of the things I remember wishing I had was a hand working can opener. The other thing was a camping stove, since the electric one I had could not function. A battery operated fan would have been nice too. I ate a lot of food out of the can (once I pried it open with a knife), unheated. We did have running water and I could use the toilet and the shower (cold shower). I had a lot of candles which I shared with neighbors. I did buy a camping stove after that but it has gotten lost in my varied moves, so I have another on Amazon.com that I want to purchase. The Lord is my provider so I know that whatever I don't have, at the time I need it He will provide whatever it is I need in one way or another, or I'll just get by without. On the other hand, I may be used to help provide for someone else. :)
 
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Really? This is what you imagine believers who are prepared are doing...sitting contentedly in their stored up places while the lost perish? I suppose the virgins who did not bring enough oil made fun of those who did, until they needed it. Of course do what the Lord tells YOU, and others will do what the Lord tells them. Seriously, I think your perspective is off here on your fellow brothers and sisters who ARE doing what the Lord has told them, and here you are poking fun at them. Of course there's always going to be those who are doing it in panic and such, but to label all into that lump is just wrong.
bit overly defensive there .i haven't labeled anyone into any lump .did i say beware everyone who preps ? nope i said" beware those who store up and then sit content .. ".. those .. are not every one . :)
 
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Kiwi huh :) Don't know if that's an insult or not, but I like the name. I like kiwi too. :)

I can totally understand the bafflement. Americans can be pretty confusing people sometimes. I don't have a gun. I've thought of it but don't sense the Lord telling me to get one. I do have a dog though and while I don't think he's dangerous, he does make a lot of noise.

I'm not necessarily a "prepper" in the full sense of the word but I see no harm in being as prepared as possible for you. I think anyone can pick up an extra can of soup or bag of beans or rice or water, and such every time they go to the grocery. I wish I'd thought of it sooner. I'm not in fear, I just don't want to be caught off guard, but if I am, I know the Lord will provide. If there is no emergency where you use it there may be a need by someone else (a prepper for Y2K gave me cans of stuff they'd bought for that disaster that did not happen), and then it's in your cupboard already so you don't have to go out and buy anything.

After experiencing 3 hurricanes while living in Florida, I discovered that it's a good idea to have some stuff on hand in case it's needed. Hurricane Charley did not hurt my dwelling but I, along with the rest of the state was without electricity. The area I lived in was the last one to get the electricity working again. We were without electricity for 2 weeks, in the middle of summer, in Florida. One of the things I remember wishing I had was a hand working can opener. The other thing was a camping stove, since the electric one I had could not function. A battery operated fan would have been nice too. I ate a lot of food out of the can (once I pried it open with a knife), unheated. We did have running water and I could use the toilet and the shower (cold shower). I had a lot of candles which I shared with neighbors. I did buy a camping stove after that but it has gotten lost in my varied moves, so I have another on Amazon.com that I want to purchase. The Lord is my provider so I know that whatever I don't have, at the time I need it He will provide whatever it is I need in one way or another, or I'll just get by without. On the other hand, I may be used to help provide for someone else. :)
for info - "kiwi" ..,. while a fruit in the states is called "kiwi fruit" in NZ . the term "kiwi" does not refer to the fruit but to the local indigenous native bird after which the kiwi fruit is named . new zealanders are often referred to as "Kiwis" (plural) by both ourselves and australians ..whom we refer to as ozzies .the terminology came into being mostly due to the nz rugby league team being named .. "the Kiwis". probably about 60 to 80 years ago or less
 
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Everyone is a prepper to some degree. No one who has the means has just one meal in the house at a time, then buys every meal several times each day as meal time comes up. There's some food stored in the house, somewhere.

It just gets hypocritical when one person says to another, "I've created this mental line in my head where if you have more food in your house than my imagination tells me is too much, then you're paranoid and stupid. Oh, and if your reasons for having stored food are different than mine, then you're ignorant as well."

There's not enough "mind your own business, not mine" left in this world any more.
actually its good to mind (not the business but ) the needs of one another .- and yes to "some degree " most are preppers in the form that you point out .. we prepare meals for tomorrow by having the ingredients to cook them stored today .. -good point .

what is not a good thing though is that in poorer places ,,which is the higher percentage of the earth people live mostly with empty cupboards day to day and do not have the resources to store up for tomorrow..they barely have enough for the day at hand .

All im doing is allowing the searching out of the heart's true motive whether it be of God by faith or of the flesh as an action seeded in fear ...
because as i pointed out elsewhere .one is faith the other (in that it is not of faith) ..is sin .

store some water some rice ,sure go ahead it's never a silly thing to do .. but don't do it at the expense of another starving Today etc
 
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After experiencing 3 hurricanes while living in Florida, I discovered that it's a good idea to have some stuff on hand in case it's needed. Hurricane Charley did not hurt my dwelling but I, along with the rest of the state was without electricity. The area I lived in was the last one to get the electricity working again. We were without electricity for 2 weeks, in the middle of summer, in Florida.
That's a really good point. It seems that one neighbour could be a prepper where they're preparing themselves for the expected financial meltdown of the USA, where his next door neighbour could be a prepper due to the frequent hurricanes that occur in your part of the world - I had never thought of it this way.

Here in South East Australia and with Victoria in particular, we don't have hurricanes, massive flooding, heavy snow falls (except in our ski resorts) or earthquakes above minor tremor level so we live in a pretty safe part of the world. About the only serious problem that we face is within our rural areas where major deadly fires can be a regular occurrence, but here in Melbourne which is a city of 4 million people about the only fires we have problems with could be with a neighbours smoky bbq.

When it comes to problems with police abuse, after I posted in this thread last night I found out on our nightly news that there had been a quickly organised demonstration where people found out that our new Australian Border Force (only found out about them last night) were about to send out their agents (thugs) yesterday where they had the nerve to say that they were going to stop anyone who looked foreign and ask them to prove who they were.

Once they saw the size of the demonstration and with how we were disgusted with their behaviour, their agents were pulled back and the officer in charge of this new organisation had to go on TV and publicly apologise. Hopefully the galah (a goon) who is in charge of this motley mob will be sacked where unlike our US brethren we will not tolerate anything that resembles your Border Patrol service where they regularly assault and abuse their own citizens.

So even though we have freedoms that even the US does not experience, this is evidence that unless the citizens of Australia are prepared to stand up and be counted, then we could very easily loose these freedoms which we cherish.

Edit: Spelling line 1 'good' to 'could'
 
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bit overly defensive there .i haven't labeled anyone into any lump .
This guy I know...had this multi-colored jacket that he use to wear all the time...wanted to store a bunch of food as well...what a fool!
haha yes .. hes covered under the sentence .. we each should do as the lord tells us too .. faith and obedience being the operative words :)

noah was somewhat of a prepper too, im sure you will agree .., both by the lords Guidance .

but moses ? not so much ;) - im sure it has a lot to do with what the lord has said he is going to do .
.. ie he has said he will deliver israel into the wilderness in the last of the last days to a place prepared for them and keep them there .. (no prepping required )
but he does not say he will do so for the rest of us around the earth ..-of course many think they will be raptured before the lord Jesus comes -which is notably after the beast arises ..so thats a bit tricky. but as we won't be able to buy or sell -prepping could well be a great idea .. but here is a question . what kind of prep and When ?

you see noah being set into motion to prepare .. 120 years before the event .. but joseph was set in motion to prepare 7 years before the event and god provided by making those 7 years of PLENTY .. had joseph begun to prepare too soon .. all he prepares would have spoiled with time .

so again and again we see that hearing the lord is so very important or we may prep for an event that does not occur in out time and to no avail . we'd be better off giving all our excess to those in need "today" and trusting the lord for his provision tomorrow .. ouuuh wait.. aren't we supposed to do that all the time ..?

this topic is fun .
but if we have not exercised faith in the provision of God then we have not grown in faith thus we fear and begin to ..prep.. or horde . one is faith one is fear ..one is righteous the other .,being not of faith .., is sin . oh how we must learn to seek the voice of the Lord on these things to know his will for us in each differing situation
 
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bit overly defensive there .i haven't labeled anyone into any lump .did i say beware everyone who preps ? nope i said" beware those who store up and then sit content .. ".. those .. are not every one . :)
Ok, it just sounded as though you were.
 
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I often hear people say "I am waiting for the Lord to tell me to do it."
I wonder if the Lord had to tell them to get out of bed this morning. Did He have to tell them to eat breakfast, go to work, eat lunch, go back to work, eat dinner, spend time with the family, and then go back to bed.
I actually did have a friend many years ago that did not work because he was waiting for the Lord to tell him. He naturally lived off the kindness of other believers... or should I say enablers. Of course we pointed out where the Lord told us things like "if one will not work, he will not eat..." To no avail.
You really do not have to have a visitation from the Lord to work, care for your families, or prep. All you need is the scripture which clearly tells us all to care for our families and to be wise.

These are the Lord talking, yes to > YOU:

1 Timothy 5:8 KJV
8 But if any provide not for his own, and specially for those of his own house, he hath denied the faith, and is worse than an infidel.​

This does not go invalid the day the supermarket shelves go bare (like they are now in some Florida towns as Erika approaches). YOU are still responsible for your family. If you can prepare for it, you should. It is no big secret that hard times are coming. Especially in the US. Even people in the world know it:

Nine out of 10 Americans expect a world disaster to occur in the next quarter century, yet 56% say they aren’t prepared, according to a survey conducted for National Geographic Channel. The percentage in the survey of 1,040 adults who predicted the following catastrophes:

Significant hurricane: 58%
Major earthquake: 53%
Terrorist attack: 51%
Financial collapse: 49%
Widespread blackout: 33%
Pandemic: 25%
Nuclear fallout: 13%
Source:
Kelton Research
for National Geographic Channel​

You only need to look at the signs of the times. Jesus said the "red sky" warning is sufficient a warning for you, by common sense alone, to take action for tomorrow. You do not need a vision or a angel to tell you. Common sense is sufficient.

Matthew 16:2-3 KJV
2 He answered and said unto them, When it is evening, ye say, It will be fair weather: for the sky is red.
3 And in the morning, It will be foul weather to day: for the sky is red and lowring. O ye hypocrites, ye can discern the face of the sky; but can ye not discern the signs of the times?

Consider these the Lord speaking to you personally. Because He is:

Proverbs 22:3
“Sensible people will see trouble coming and avoid it, but an unthinking person will walk right into it and regret it later.”

Proverbs 21:20
"The wise man saves for the future, but the foolish man spends whatever he gets."

Acts 11:27-30 KJV
27 And in these days came prophets from Jerusalem unto Antioch.
28 And there stood up one of them named Agabus, and signified by the Spirit that there should be great dearth throughout all the world: which came to pass in the days of Claudius Caesar.
29 Then the disciples, every man according to his ability, determined to send relief unto the brethren which dwelt in Judaea:
30 Which also they did, and sent it to the elders by the hands of Barnabas and Saul.

Seems the disiples in Antioch had more than enough to feed all the believers in Judaea. If the prophets called on you today, what would you be able to send? A can of yams?

Proverbs 6:6 –11 (NLT)
6. Take a lesson from the ants, you lazybones. Learn from their ways and become wise!
7. Though they have no prince or governor or ruler to make them work,
8. they labor hard all summer, gathering food for the winter.
9. But you, lazybones, how long will you sleep? When will you wake up?
10. A little extra sleep, a little more slumber, a little folding of the hands to rest—
11. then poverty will pounce on you like a bandit; scarcity will attack you like an armed robber.”

Proverbs 21:20 CLV
20 Coveted treasure and oil are in the homestead of the wise man, Yet the stupid man swallows it all up.

What is in your homestead? Again, this is the spirit speaking to you personally. No need for a angel to show up at your door and instruct you to do this.

Hebrews 11:7 KJV
7. By faith Noah, being warned of God of things not seen as yet, moved with fear, prepared an ark to the saving of his house; by the which he condemned the world, and became heir of the righteousness which is by faith

There are so many "warnings" from scripture and common sense that hard times are coming that I would feel silly having to scribe them all out here. You do not need a open vision to flee the onrushing torrents when the dam breaks... when it does, you will know what to do. The dam has broken... that is flood water you hear approaching.

This is the Spirit speaking to you now... personally:

Proverbs 27:12 ISV
12. Those who are prudent see danger and take refuge, but the naïve continue on and suffer the consequences.

Notice the factor causing the action is called being "prudent" and the factor causing inaction is called being "naïve." These are functions that issue from common sense.

Here is the Lord telling you what will happen if you honor Him. I suppose the question is do you have the barns to deal with it. You are expected to have barns to store stuff in. He is telling you this. He is specifically talking to you, and everyone reading this. Barns, or whatever other place you store stuff. We have our preps in an air conditioned room because they last longer at 70 degrees. Up to 30 years.

Proverbs 3:9-10 KJV
9. Honour the LORD with thy substance, and with the firstfruits of all thine increase:
10. So shall thy barns be filled with plenty, and thy presses shall burst out with new wine.

These guys had stores:

Deuteronomy 28:5 KJV
5. Blessed shall be thy basket and thy store.

I am. My store is in that room I mentioned. Point here is that you already have a store. That is expected. We are all expected to have stores. There is nothing wrong with that.

2 Chronicles 11:11 KJV
11. And he fortified the strong holds, and put captains in them, and store of victual, and of oil and wine.


I like what this fellow believer wrote:

“The reality is that Christians and non-Christians, alike, prepare for a variety of potential disasters, without giving it a second thought. We buy all sorts of insurance policies to make sure our homes, cars and possessions are protected, we make sure we lock the doors before leaving home, and many of us who live in areas prone to certain natural disasters, like tornadoes and hurricanes, know exactly what to do if one strikes tomorrow.
The question is, if we are taking precautionary measures to help protect our families from dangers where the likelihood of them occurring is, at best, uncertain, why then wouldn’t we, as bible-believing Christians, prepare ourselves for prophesied dangers that are 100% likely to occur? Do we not believe God’s word to be true, or do we just think that, because we are Christians we will somehow be spared by divine intervention?”​

 
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I often hear people say "I am waiting for the Lord to tell me to do it."
I wonder if the Lord had to tell them to get out of bed this morning. Did He have to tell them to eat breakfast, go to work, eat lunch, go back to work, eat dinner, spend time with the family, and then go back to bed.
I actually did have a friend many years ago that did not work because he was waiting for the Lord to tell him. He naturally lived off the kindness of other believers... or should I say enablers. Of course we pointed out where the Lord told us things like "if one will not work, he will not eat..." To no avail.
You really do not have to have a visitation from the Lord to work, care for your families, or prep. All you need is the scripture which clearly tells us all to care for our families and to be wise.

These are the Lord talking, yes to > YOU:

1 Timothy 5:8 KJV
8 But if any provide not for his own, and specially for those of his own house, he hath denied the faith, and is worse than an infidel.​

This does not go invalid the day the supermarket shelves go bare (like they are now in some Florida towns as Erika approaches). YOU are still responsible for your family. If you can prepare for it, you should. It is no big secret that hard times are coming. Especially in the US. Even people in the world know it:

Nine out of 10 Americans expect a world disaster to occur in the next quarter century, yet 56% say they aren’t prepared, according to a survey conducted for National Geographic Channel. The percentage in the survey of 1,040 adults who predicted the following catastrophes:

Significant hurricane: 58%
Major earthquake: 53%
Terrorist attack: 51%
Financial collapse: 49%
Widespread blackout: 33%
Pandemic: 25%
Nuclear fallout: 13%
Source:
Kelton Research
for National Geographic Channel​

You only need to look at the signs of the times. Jesus said the "red sky" warning is sufficient a warning for you, by common sense alone, to take action for tomorrow. You do not need a vision or a angel to tell you. Common sense is sufficient.

Matthew 16:2-3 KJV
2 He answered and said unto them, When it is evening, ye say, It will be fair weather: for the sky is red.
3 And in the morning, It will be foul weather to day: for the sky is red and lowring. O ye hypocrites, ye can discern the face of the sky; but can ye not discern the signs of the times?

Consider these the Lord speaking to you personally. Because He is:

Proverbs 22:3
“Sensible people will see trouble coming and avoid it, but an unthinking person will walk right into it and regret it later.”

Proverbs 21:20
"The wise man saves for the future, but the foolish man spends whatever he gets."

Acts 11:27-30 KJV
27 And in these days came prophets from Jerusalem unto Antioch.
28 And there stood up one of them named Agabus, and signified by the Spirit that there should be great dearth throughout all the world: which came to pass in the days of Claudius Caesar.
29 Then the disciples, every man according to his ability, determined to send relief unto the brethren which dwelt in Judaea:
30 Which also they did, and sent it to the elders by the hands of Barnabas and Saul.

Seems the disiples in Antioch had more than enough to feed all the believers in Judaea. If the prophets called on you today, what would you be able to send? A can of yams?

Proverbs 6:6 –11 (NLT)
6. Take a lesson from the ants, you lazybones. Learn from their ways and become wise!
7. Though they have no prince or governor or ruler to make them work,
8. they labor hard all summer, gathering food for the winter.
9. But you, lazybones, how long will you sleep? When will you wake up?
10. A little extra sleep, a little more slumber, a little folding of the hands to rest—
11. then poverty will pounce on you like a bandit; scarcity will attack you like an armed robber.”

Proverbs 21:20 CLV
20 Coveted treasure and oil are in the homestead of the wise man, Yet the stupid man swallows it all up.

What is in your homestead? Again, this is the spirit speaking to you personally. No need for a angel to show up at your door and instruct you to do this.

Hebrews 11:7 KJV
7. By faith Noah, being warned of God of things not seen as yet, moved with fear, prepared an ark to the saving of his house; by the which he condemned the world, and became heir of the righteousness which is by faith

There are so many "warnings" from scripture and common sense that hard times are coming that I would feel silly having to scribe them all out here. You do not need a open vision to flee the onrushing torrents when the dam breaks... when it does, you will know what to do. The dam has broken... that is flood water you hear approaching.

This is the Spirit speaking to you now... personally:

Proverbs 27:12 ISV
12. Those who are prudent see danger and take refuge, but the naïve continue on and suffer the consequences.

Notice the factor causing the action is called being "prudent" and the factor causing inaction is called being "naïve." These are functions that issue from common sense.

Here is the Lord telling you what will happen if you honor Him. I suppose the question is do you have the barns to deal with it. You are expected to have barns to store stuff in. He is telling you this. He is specifically talking to you, and everyone reading this. Barns, or whatever other place you store stuff. We have our preps in an air conditioned room because they last longer at 70 degrees. Up to 30 years.

Proverbs 3:9-10 KJV
9. Honour the LORD with thy substance, and with the firstfruits of all thine increase:
10. So shall thy barns be filled with plenty, and thy presses shall burst out with new wine.

These guys had stores:

Deuteronomy 28:5 KJV
5. Blessed shall be thy basket and thy store.

I am. My store is in that room I mentioned. Point here is that you already have a store. That is expected. We are all expected to have stores. There is nothing wrong with that.

2 Chronicles 11:11 KJV
11. And he fortified the strong holds, and put captains in them, and store of victual, and of oil and wine.


I like what this fellow believer wrote:

“The reality is that Christians and non-Christians, alike, prepare for a variety of potential disasters, without giving it a second thought. We buy all sorts of insurance policies to make sure our homes, cars and possessions are protected, we make sure we lock the doors before leaving home, and many of us who live in areas prone to certain natural disasters, like tornadoes and hurricanes, know exactly what to do if one strikes tomorrow.
The question is, if we are taking precautionary measures to help protect our families from dangers where the likelihood of them occurring is, at best, uncertain, why then wouldn’t we, as bible-believing Christians, prepare ourselves for prophesied dangers that are 100% likely to occur? Do we not believe God’s word to be true, or do we just think that, because we are Christians we will somehow be spared by divine intervention?”​

Good points Dids.
 
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Good points Dids.
Still praying for your success in this sister.

Lord, I pray you see the heart of my sister and surround her with the love, peace, and faith that comes only from You. I pray, my Friend in Heaven, that You send her the resources and strength to do what is needed to accomplish your will in her life. She has been a blessing to me for years. Bless her NOW my Heavenly Friend. Bless her and let her know it... I pray in your Holy and Pure name my Jesus.
 
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Daniel 11:33-35


"Those who are wise will help the others understand what is happening.
But they will be killed with swords, or burned, or taken captive, or robbed of their homes and possessions. These things will continue for many days.
When the wise ones are suffering, they will get a little help, but many who join the wise ones will not help them in their time of need.
Some of the wise ones will be killed. But the hard times must come so they can be made stronger and purer and without faults until the time of the end comes. Then, at the right time, the end will come.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

The end is not yet in sight ... don't make fun of people willing to share their wisdom:amen:
 
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