Andrews shuts down bake sale for LGBT homeless

EastCoastRemnant said:

That's like saying your a Christian but you don't believe in Christ...

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You said all people who identify as LGBT are practicing the "lifestyle". Identifying as LGB is about attraction. It doesn't mean you are having sex with anyone, let alone whatever it means to "practice the lifestyle". Identifying as transgender doesn't mean you are in transition, which is also not a "lifestyle". Seriously, what is that supposed to mean to "practice a lifestyle"?

What did Jesus say about adultery? Was it just the act that was sinful or was thinking about another in lust also a sin? So is it a sin to think about another person of the same gender with lust... yup.

I didn't even know there was an LGBT homeless problem. Regardless, Andrews was right to shut it down. You shouldn't discriminate against those not sporting LGBT colours.

EastCoastRemnant said:

What did Jesus say about adultery? Was it just the act that was sinful or was thinking about another in lust also a sin? So is it a sin to think about another person of the same gender with lust... yup.

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I'm not sure how that answers the question I asked you.

fozzy said:

People are led to repentance by the Holy Spirit and seeing the love of God in action. If I were a gay person and I stumbled across you, I would not want your Jesus because he obviously has not healed you so what good would he be to me?

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Just an aside: Sometimes it might look as if Jesus didn't improve a person's life, but we don't know where they started from, how long they've had a relationship with him, and for how much of that relationship they've been growing through sanctification.

I'm not against helping anyone. Helping ppl doesn't mean condoning all their thoughts, words and deeds. People get upset upset about sexual sins in a way they don't about most other sins. I think the fact that Jesus chose a former prostitute to be the first to proclaim the Gospel shows us that it is indeed possible to help other who have sexual sins without condoning their lifestyle.

Cute Tink said:

I'm not sure how that answers the question I asked you.

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You said...

Identifying as LGB is about attraction.

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That is lust...

it is also against what God considers an abomination (see Lev 18:22 and Romans 1:26,27)

Seriously, what is that supposed to mean to "practice a lifestyle"?

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I think you know what that term means but for the record....

If you were into fitness... you would go to the gym, associate with people that are into fitness, eat the right foods, plan and dream about goals/achievements etc.... that is practicing a lifestyle. You can use your own imagination to insert homosexuality or any other known and cherished sin into that example.

LaSorcia said:

Just an aside: Sometimes it might look as if Jesus didn't improve a person's life, but we don't know where they started from, how long they've had a relationship with him, and for how much of that relationship they've been growing through sanctification.

I'm not against helping anyone. Helping ppl doesn't mean condoning all their thoughts, words and deeds. People get upset upset about sexual sins in a way they don't about most other sins. I think the fact that Jesus chose a former prostitute to be the first to proclaim the Gospel shows us that it is indeed possible to help other who have sexual sins without condoning their lifestyle.

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Jesus spoke hard truths to people to make them understand that it is a choice you have to make to give up self and to follow Him... (think rich young ruler) sadly that is too much a price for most to pay so they defiantly continue in their "lifestyle". (Romans 1:28)

Remember, Jesus came not to bring peace but a sword... repentance and obedience through Christ's Grace are key to sanctification and salvation.

Kyran said:

I didn't even know there was an LGBT homeless problem.

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Half of all homeless teens/young adults in this country are LGBT because their families disowned them and kicked them to the street. It's an enormous problem.

What does it mean to be a progressive here? Doesn't clinging to traditionalist views that are generally wrong contradict being progressive?

Marius27 said:

What does it mean to be a progressive here? Doesn't clinging to traditionalist views that are generally wrong contradict being progressive?

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It is well known that I am a traditional Adventist... but what difference is there in a label... either the Word of God is true or it's not... we're not talking about shades of colour here.

EastCoastRemnant said:

It is well known that I am a traditional Adventist... but what difference is there in a label... either the Word of God is true or it's not... we're not talking about shades of colour here.

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Because people's interpretation of the Bible (Jesus is the Word of God btw, not an English book translated by humans)do not always agree, and while you will without question believe you're right and have the absolute truth, someone who disagrees with you will think the same thing.

Obviously there is meaning in labels since there is both a progressive and traditional adventist forum here.

From what I've witnessed, the beliefs of the 'progressive' group do not subscribe to Adventism proper... so why call yourself Adventist? Those that don't believe in the investigative judgement, the SOP, the identification of the beast of Revelation, etc. would probably be better seventh day Baptists, or for the further leaning first day Adventists, maybe an evangelical group.

Being a SDA means you have faith in the inspiration of God upon the early pioneers and what was revealed to them as truth. It's not a buffet denomination...

EastCoastRemnant said:

From what I've witnessed, the beliefs of the 'progressive' group do not subscribe to Adventism proper... so why call yourself Adventist?

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Maybe they disagree with what an Adventist should follow? There are 4 different groups of Judaism. Reform and Orthodox are polar opposites of each other, yet each still practices Judaism. They just disagree how it should be applied/followed.

Being a SDA means you have faith in the inspiration of God upon the early pioneers and what was revealed to them as truth. It's not a buffet denomination...

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Can't one believe in the inspiration of the early "pioneers" (I'm assuming you mean Biblical authors), while not believing in infallibility among translators? What's to stop someone from adding their own bias to a translation? Inspiration? God can't force people to translate the Bible perfectly, as that would deny free will wouldn't it?

Personally I think all denominations are buffet denominations. That's why there are 38,000 Christian denominations.

EastCoastRemnant said:

That is lust...

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Attraction is not lust.

it is also against what God considers an abomination (see Lev 18:22 and Romans 1:26,27)

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I'm not allowed to respond to this under the rules.

I think you know what that term means but for the record....

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I know what "lifestyle" means as a word.

If you were into fitness... you would go to the gym, associate with people that are into fitness, eat the right foods, plan and dream about goals/achievements etc.... that is practicing a lifestyle. You can use your own imagination to insert homosexuality or any other known and cherished sin into that example.

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I don't think you realize that there is no "lifestyle" to being homosexual.

EastCoastRemnant said:

That's like saying your a Christian but you don't believe in Christ...

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I have known too many that fit that description .......

EastCoastRemnant said:

Jesus spoke hard truths to people to make them understand that it is a choice you have to make to give up self and to follow Him... (think rich young ruler) sadly that is too much a price for most to pay so they defiantly continue in their "lifestyle". (Romans 1:28)

Remember, Jesus came not to bring peace but a sword... repentance and obedience through Christ's Grace are key to sanctification and salvation.

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No such thing as a gay lifestyle, and Jesus didn't write Romans 1:28. You also are removing its idolatry context.

Marius27 said:

No such thing as a gay lifestyle...

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Yes, that is why they have a parade to celebrate their non-lifestyle...

Marius27 said:

...and Jesus didn't write Romans 1:28.

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My reference to Jesus' teaching was to the rich young ruler and comparing it to the selfish choice to spurn God's Grace by defiantly sinning against Him.

Marius27 said:

...You also are removing its idolatry context.

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Note so... by giving in to your own lustful perversions and desires, you are making your sin greater than God's design and therefore an idol.

EastCoastRemnant said:

Yes, that is why they have a parade to celebrate their non-lifestyle...

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The parades are to celebrate overcoming the discrimination and violence that was perpetrated against the LGBT community for so many years and still continues in some areas today.