Yes, PPF benefits from the tissue sales...per the video...

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When death can beget life ...

I do not know nor do I want to know who said this but just allow me to say... Coming from someone who has a personal stake in finding cures, in no way would I rationalize a cure coming from these means this way. I'm sure it helps the head hit the pillow at night to think I'm sacrificing my child for the greater good but in reality, you're just sacrificing your child to an evil organization so you can live your life the way you want. No one with that organization is here to find cures. They are here to make $$. The root of evil.
 
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Honey, we can't take evil thinking good can come of it. Dead unwanted babies paving the way for cures and research is what you'd prefer? I'd prefer everyone in this nation and in the world in general realize that killing babies is wrong and an offense to God. I'd prefer that everyone just stop offending God who is already much offended.
Consider organ transplants that save lives and improve quality of living.
What of those donors who are a suicide?
Or are a murder victim?
Or who are a murderer themselves? But they've an organ donor icon on their license. To my knowledge there's no restrictions on murderers donating the organs the donor card states they've consented to.

Victims of evil or perpetrators of evil. Save for the suicide, who some say died in the most grievous of sins. Acting as God in taking their own life.
What of them? Do those who need to live refuse those donated organs because of who the donor was?

Cadavers have always advanced medical science. If one does not think that is the case they have but to go to an anatomy museum and see what happened to those who agreed to donate their organs, or bodies, to science. They're on display after death. In whole or parts of them, as a learning opportunity for people to witness human anatomy in various stages.

Would tissue from dead fetus' be better off disposed of as incinerated human garbage?
That's the only other choice.
Does that divest the attachment of evil? To cast them into the flames?
 
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When death can beget life ...

I do not know nor do I want to know who said this but just allow me to say...
Scripture!
The Christian reads John 3:16 first and then those scriptures that pertain to the crucifixion of Jesus, God's only son, and his resurrection so that those who believe shall have eternal life and know it is true.
Death begets lie.
Wildfires now raging in the western states of the U.S. bring devastation to the landscape there. But from the char new life emerges. New shoots of grass, new buds of flowers, tree's, etc...
Anyone in the medical field know how medical research is done. What it takes to advance the sciences that save and sustain lives.
Research subjects, patients on experimental drugs and treatments who are the next stage of test subject , hence their consent to be on experimental drugs and treatment. And if those patients die the file on those studies serve to advance the next round of experiments and re-do in the lab.
Those deaths helped to save lives.




Coming from someone who has a personal stake in finding cures, in no way would I rationalize a cure coming from these means this way. I'm sure it helps the head hit the pillow at night to think I'm sacrificing my child for the greater good but in reality, you're just sacrificing your child to an evil organization so you can live your life the way you want. No one with that organization is here to find cures. They are here to make $$. The root of evil.

Then you don't have money?
You're wrong. Money isn't the root of evil. Love of money more than of God is the root of evil.
 
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So you are trying to rationalize the direct murdering of babies for this purpose?

There is huge difference in killing a person for the sole purpose of selling the body to science and donating a murder victim's body to science.

So you are saying in essence if I killed you it would be okay if I did it because I know you have asked your remains go to research?

Hmmm... okay. And have you personally known someone who committed suicide so the body could be researched? Hmm, well there was that football player who did that but he choose that. Babies have no voice and that kinds is the point in why this is evil. Somebody's gotta be the voice for these babies. Too may seek their lives.
 
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Scripture!
The Christian reads John 3:16 first and then those scriptures that pertain to the crucifixion of Jesus, God's only son, and his resurrection so that those who believe shall have eternal life and know it is true.
Death begets lie.
Wildfires now raging in the western states of the U.S. bring devastation to the landscape there. But from the char new life emerges. New shoots of grass, new buds of flowers, tree's, etc...
Anyone in the medical field know how medical research is done. What it takes to advance the sciences that save and sustain lives.
Research subjects, patients on experimental drugs and treatments who are the next stage of test subject , hence their consent to be on experimental drugs and treatment. And if those patients die the file on those studies serve to advance the next round of experiments and re-do in the lab.
Those deaths helped to save lives.






Then you don't have money?
You're wrong. Money isn't the root of evil. Love of money more than of God is the root of evil.

You're right, the love a $$ is the root and it's the love of money that behind this.

I'm really sorry that you are so misguided that you are equating Jesus death on the cross with aborting babies. That is sad and I'll pray for you. There is no point in going any further with you. I'll PRAY FOR YOU.

I will NOT entertain the ridiculous notion you have by debating how you think scripture supports this. That frankly is sick and disgusting.
 
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You're right, the love a $$ is the root and it's the love of money that behind this.

I'm really sorry that you are so misguided that you are equating Jesus death on the cross with aborting babies. That is sad and I'll pray for you. There is no point in going any further with you. I'll PRAY FOR YOU.

I will NOT entertain the ridiculous notion you have by debating how you think scripture supports this. That frankly is sick and disgusting.
Don't feel sorry for me. That your bias clouds your comprehension of my words, and I'll say gently that you're false when you claim I said what you say, I will feel sorry for you.

This discussion is over. You're way too emotional to read reason beyond your own walls. God help.

* I just read down your profile list on the left side of your post. Had I known you speak from inside the Catholic tradition I'd not have entertained a thought of discussing this with you. Forgive my ignorance.
Now I understand why someone once asked here why anyone would start a thread on topics here that can't be discussed openly unless they fully comport with the RCC doctrine.
And why would there ever be a debate among Roman Catholics when Catholics must already have the opinion that does comport with the RCC doctrine.
My apologies. I'll not violate this space again.
 
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I have no idea what Christian tradition would ever stand behind such absurdities. You are justifying abortion and the subsequent sales of these remains based on Jesus death that begat our salvation. There is no continuing such an absurd conclusion you have drawn from reading and interpreting the Holy Word of God on your own. Let's be clear, this is your own opinion in which you claim yourself to be a Christian and not those of Christians in general.
 
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So you are trying to rationalize the direct murdering of babies for this purpose?

There is huge difference in killing a person for the sole purpose of selling the body to science and donating a murder victim's body to science.

So you are saying in essence if I killed you it would be okay if I did it because I know you have asked your remains go to research?

Hmmm... okay. And have you personally known someone who committed suicide so the body could be researched? Hmm, well there was that football player who did that but he choose that. Babies have no voice and that kinds is the point in why this is evil. Somebody's gotta be the voice for these babies. Too may seek their lives.

Are you under the impression that PP is conducting abortions so that they can sell the aborted fetuses? Do you believe that that is the case? Judging by the prices they charge, I don't think that idea can be supported.

I know a guy who runs a garrage, among the services they provide are oil and battery changes. He sells spent oil and batteries to a recycler. It would be incorrect to claim that he performs these services so that he can sell the byproducts.
 
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Are you under the impression that PP is conducting abortions so that they can sell the aborted fetuses? Do you believe that that is the case? Judging by the prices they charge, I don't think that idea can be supported.

I know a guy who runs a garrage, among the services they provide are oil and battery changes. He sells spent oil and batteries to a recycler. It would be incorrect to claim that he performs these services so that he can sell the byproducts.
Here we go again, wasting time defending PP instead of addressing the ridiculous notion put fourth by fizzy. You agree with fizzy? If you don't then spend time attacking him and not me... I don't need the truth and justice police as much as those assine scripture interpretation need correction.
 
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And BTW, the purpose I meant was Fizzy thinking its okay to use these remains for the purpose of advancing science. Does Fizzy think abortion is okay because it's used for that purpose? He clearly thinks it is and uses scripture.... The death of Jesus... to suporrt it. Remarkable, the hoops people will jump to justify even the murder of babies. Nothing is sacred anymore. Except cows in India.
 
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That Fizzy person said he or she isn't coming back, so I didn't address him or her. I agree with you that abortion is always evil, must be stopped, should not be paid for by the public, and cannot be justified even if good should somehow come from it. I don't think we're in disagreement.
 
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Are you under the impression that PP is conducting abortions so that they can sell the aborted fetuses? Do you believe that that is the case? Judging by the prices they charge, I don't think that idea can be supported.

and it's your right to believe that PP is not profiting from the resale of human body parts and organs.

however the tapes that have been released, and the statements of PP employees seem to prove the opposite,
and demonstrate that they are all to eager to meet quotas for body parts and organs on a daily basis.
 
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and it's your right to believe that PP is not profiting from the resale of human body parts and organs.

however the tapes that have been released, and the statements of PP employees seem to prove the opposite,
and demonstrate that they are all to eager to meet quotas for body parts and organs on a daily basis.

I didn't see anything that indicated a profit was being made, can you direct me to it?
 
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I didn't see anything that indicated a profit was being made, can you direct me to it?
Oh for the love of Pete... So what! They are selling them for money and that is wrong. Human remains are not to be sold, even if its to cover cost. They are people, not commodities.
 
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When Grandma dies, people tend not to delight in how her compost will help make their gardens bloom the next spring, or begrudge laws that make using her remains in this way impossible.
It is the difference between us recognizing human beings as being imbued with inherent value rather than being reducible to instrumental value, and in terms of their usefulness to our goals in life.

It is easy for everybody to see that when it comes to Grandma, and don't begrudge the fuss and expensive urban footage that goes into her burial plot, or the energy or carbon footprint used in her cremation.

Jesus captured the essence of Grandma well, I think, when he told people not to begrudge the woman for anointing his body with expensive perfumes, even if the money could have been well spent on the poor instead.
Human life has inherent value and the respect that we show to the dead is one way that we come to understand this basic truth of who we are as people.

It is easy for us to understand this intuitively when it comes to Grandma. Only the most religious among us today however, have the same reverence for life when it comes to the unborn.

I personally am not among the most religious, even today, in this age of disbelief. I fully understand how there is such a disconnect between ourselves and the silent beings in the womb. I do however follow the lead of the most religious among us on this issue, because it is the logically consistent and the morally correct thing to do.
 
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Are you under the impression that PP is conducting abortions so that they can sell the aborted fetuses? Do you believe that that is the case? Judging by the prices they charge, I don't think that idea can be supported.

I know a guy who runs a garrage, among the services they provide are oil and battery changes. He sells spent oil and batteries to a recycler. It would be incorrect to claim that he performs these services so that he can sell the byproducts.
I'd like to give something to ponder.
Why do they allow late abortions where the organs are more grown and why do they intentionally do partial birth abortions?
Are they saving the tissues for sale?

Darn i forget who said they find ways to usurp the laws - i think claiming the woman is in danger in order to abort late terms.
That and if the client has $$$ - they find the way.That was a quote from an abortionist.

I forget where i read that. I hate when i do that.
 
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