Noahide

smaneck said:

I don't think words like 'lives' applies to God nor do I think He can be located in a specific place.

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Scripture indicates that He 'lives', 'dwells' in the heavenlies though, per the scripture I posted.


The heavens aren't an earthly realm, the heavens are a spiritual realm. Ezekiel continues with indications of the spiritual realm.

justlookinla said:

Scripture indicates that He 'lives', 'dwells' in the heavenlies though, per the scripture I posted.

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You certainly pick and choose what you take literally.

smaneck said:

You certainly pick and choose what you take literally.

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God was somewhere, the throne was somewhere and the living creatures were somewhere. If not the spiritual realm, where?

justlookinla said:

God was somewhere, the throne was somewhere and the living creatures were somewhere. If not the spiritual realm, where?

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Kolob? Sorry, couldn't resist.

As far as I'm concerned if it is truly spiritual it is not a place. Places involve time, space and material.

smaneck said:

Kolob? Sorry, couldn't resist.

As far as I'm concerned if it is truly spiritual it is not a place. Places involve time, space and material.

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Spiritual involves a realm. A place of existence which isn't earthly.

justlookinla said:

Spiritual involves a realm. A place of existence which isn't earthly.

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Attempting to describe the infinite and omnipresent Deity as being in a specific location is, at the very least, a contradiction in terms.

When I confess that Jesus Christ ascended and is seated at the right hand of the Father I do not mean that Jesus sits in a chair somewhere; but that He has received all authority and power. Though this is also an issue that divides Calvinists and Lutherans; namely Lutherans do not "locate" Jesus; so when we confess that we receive the true body and true blood of Christ we accept that the Incarnate Lord Jesus is unconstrained, He does not "leave" His place at the right hand of God to become present in the Eucharist; but rather is equally present wherever He says He will be present.

There is no "where" that I can point to as God being, God is everywhere. There are places, things, where I can confess God has said He specifically acts in special ways, namely in Word and Sacrament, but God is not found "somewhere out there" that is an intensely shallow and, quite frankly, heterodox view of God.

I additionally wouldn't know what a "spiritual realm" is, that language seems rather foreign to the biblical view of things and the historic teachings of the Church; in traditional Christian teaching the material and the spiritual are not separate "worlds" or "spheres" so much as different aspects of creation. There are visible things and invisible things. Hence we say there is one God, the Father Almighty, Maker of all things, both visible and invisible. The human being is not a spiritual thing hidden in a material thing, but instead a human person. The soul is not a ghost dormant within the flesh, but rather the flesh is alive and animated by the soul: we are not enfleshed souls, we are ensouled bodies.

God is not in this or that realm, God is the God of all creation who is beyond all things and in all things; the simultaneously transcendent and immanent. God is not "a spirit" as some might entertain, God is God. God is therefore fundamentally other than all things, whether material or spiritual, visible or invisible. And He remains entirely throughout all things, both things visible and invisible. Being other than all these things, and being present throughout all these things.

-CryptoLutheran

ViaCrucis said:

Attempting to describe the infinite and omnipresent Deity as being in a specific location is, at the very least, a contradiction in terms.

When I confess that Jesus Christ ascended and is seated at the right hand of the Father I do not mean that Jesus sits in a chair somewhere; but that He has received all authority and power. Though this is also an issue that divides Calvinists and Lutherans; namely Lutherans do not "locate" Jesus; so when we confess that we receive the true body and true blood of Christ we accept that the Incarnate Lord Jesus is unconstrained, He does not "leave" His place at the right hand of God to become present in the Eucharist; but rather is equally present wherever He says He will be present.

There is no "where" that I can point to as God being, God is everywhere. There are places, things, where I can confess God has said He specifically acts in special ways, namely in Word and Sacrament, but God is not found "somewhere out there" that is an intensely shallow and, quite frankly, heterodox view of God.

I additionally wouldn't know what a "spiritual realm" is, that language seems rather foreign to the biblical view of things and the historic teachings of the Church; in traditional Christian teaching the material and the spiritual are not separate "worlds" or "spheres" so much as different aspects of creation. There are visible things and invisible things. Hence we say there is one God, the Father Almighty, Maker of all things, both visible and invisible. The human being is not a spiritual thing hidden in a material thing, but instead a human person. The soul is not a ghost dormant within the flesh, but rather the flesh is alive and animated by the soul: we are not enfleshed souls, we are ensouled bodies.

God is not in this or that realm, God is the God of all creation who is beyond all things and in all things; the simultaneously transcendent and immanent. God is not "a spirit" as some might entertain, God is God. God is therefore fundamentally other than all things, whether material or spiritual, visible or invisible. And He remains entirely throughout all things, both things visible and invisible. Being other than all these things, and being present throughout all these things.

-CryptoLutheran

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I'm not suggesting that God is present at one location, even though He does manifest Himself at various locations throughout scripture. What I am suggesting is that God's place of being, as well as other spiritual entities, is in the spiritual realm. A place of existence that's not of this world.

justlookinla said:

I'm not suggesting that God is present at one location, even though He does manifest Himself at various locations throughout scripture. What I am suggesting is that God's place of being, as well as other spiritual entities, is in the spiritual realm. A place of existence that's not of this world.

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And I'm suggesting that this idea you have is wrong. Because God is not a "spiritual being" who resides in a "spiritual realm".

God is God.

-CryptoLutheran

ViaCrucis said:

And I'm suggesting that this idea you have is wrong. Because God is not a "spiritual being" who resides in a "spiritual realm".

God is God.

-CryptoLutheran

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And the angels are angels and the demons are demons. Angels do not reside in the earthly realm and neither do demons. They reside in another realm, unseen by those in the earthly realm.

justlookinla said:

I do follow Christian writings. Sometimes a snake isn't a snake.

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"On your belly you shall crawl, and dust you shall eat,
all the days of your life."

A curse?
Dust is everywhere, would be convenient if we could live on dust.

We cry out to God for help,
the snake has no need to,
the snake has no need,
it needs nothing,
asks or nothing,
And that is a curse.

A poor man is always aware of a blessing and turns to God for help and guidence everyday.

justlookinla said:

And the angels are angels and the demons are demons. Angels do not reside in the earthly realm and neither do demons. They reside in another realm, unseen by those in the earthly realm.

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I imagine, like those who follow Judaism, the concept of demons would make little sense to a Noahide as they tend toward Jewish tradition. We view that all angels follow the will of HaShem and that there are none that go against His will. They are not able to do different like humans are able to.

LoAmmi said:

I imagine, like those who follow Judaism, the concept of demons would make little sense to a Noahide as they tend toward Jewish tradition. We view that all angels follow the will of HaShem and that there are none that go against His will. They are not able to do different like humans are able to.

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The point was, those entities reside in a dimension, a realm, a place different than where humans exist. They exist in a spiritual realm.

does noahide law have a place for forgiveness if one breaks one of the 7 laws?....like sacrificing a sin offering in the future temple?...or something else?....is there a place for mercy in noahide laws for sins commited?

dfw69 said:

does noahide law have a place for forgiveness if one breaks one of the 7 laws?....like sacrificing a sin offering in the future temple?...or something else?....is there a place for mercy in noahide laws for sins commited?

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not much different from a Christian really. ask for repentance and receive it. no sacrifices necessary.

gordRedeemed said:

not much different from a Christian really. ask for repentance and receive it. no sacrifices necessary.

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even when the messiah returns and the temple laws are established all over the earth?...even during the messianic age to come?...if a man sins against noahide laws forgiveness is available?

dfw69 said:

even when the messiah returns and the temple laws are established all over the earth?...even during the messianic age to come?...if a man sins against noahide laws forgiveness is available?

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Of course.

LoAmmi said:

Of course.

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what scriptures can you provide ....not that i dont believe you..

dfw69 said:

what scriptures can you provide ....not that i dont believe you..

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Judaism, which is where the concept of Noahides come from, is not a scripture only faith. These concepts come from our tradition.

LoAmmi said:

Judaism, which is where the concept of Noahides come from, is not a scripture only faith. These concepts come from our tradition.

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so nothing written down conserning mercy within broken noahide laws?...

gordRedeemed said:

not much different from a Christian really. ask for repentance and receive it. no sacrifices necessary.

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ask who for repentance? what authorities?