Mormons Keep Affiliation With Boy Scouts Despite Decision Allowing Gay Leaders

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I think what most people "hate" who take God and the New Testament seriously, is that they hate to see sexual immorality legalized by their highest court under the guise of "civil rights" and thereby shoved down their throats by soon to arrive "hate speech" legislation which is going to completely muzzle anyone who would verbally or otherwise disagree that same gender sex is moral, or that same sex marriage is a "right".

Remembering that the first amendment is an actual thing and Congress is controlled by the GOP, how "soon" do you think this legislation will be passed?
When you say "verbally or otherwise", what does 'otherwise' entail?
 
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Remembering that the first amendment is an actual thing and Congress is controlled by the GOP, how "soon" do you think this legislation will be passed?
When you say "verbally or otherwise", what does 'otherwise' entail?

Let me be specific.

First, the 1st amendment has only to do with keeping the USA Gov from establishing a "state" church, while at the same time giving all citizens the right to their personally chosen religion.
Has nothing to do with "freedom FROM religion", as you would attempt to rewrite it......correct?
Also,
It has nothing to do with 2 gay men or 2 gay women having (same gender) sex.....so, you might want to recheck your amendments so that they make actual sense when you try to post them in our discussion concerning immoral sexuality (Gay Marriage) that has recently been legalized.

2nd,

when i say "legislate", what i specifically mean is having any speech or literature or public opinion that condemns same gender sex = deemed as "hate speech" that will eventually be punished by legal action.
Hate speech legislation is already on the books, and its a very short dive off the board to get this legislation's boundaries stretched to condemn any public opinion against gay sex or gay marriage included.
Till all that is in effect, the Fed Court Judges will remain on guard instantly striking down any public "vote" in any state that does not allow "gays" to have their sexually immoral way within the American culture.
Perhaps you've noticed?
 
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I like the way you put this ("It's just another example of society defining the Church instead of the Church defining society"). I grew up Mormon and this is THE defining part of their history since the death of Brigham Young; society defines that church.

Whether it was polygyny (the form of polygamy the LDS deity commanded), racism, the changing requirements of Temple Garments, or other shifting societal issues none matter because society and acceptance in that society are paramount when compared to edicts of the LDS deity? It's all about the money. Lawsuits cost money and some gay couple are high income earners.

I have been on short term (1-2 week) mission trips in 3rd world countries since 1984. I have never seen an LDS Missionary in the dump of Guatemala City , the slums of Panama City (Panama), or the ghettos of Santa Cruz (Bolivia). There is a reason; there is no money to had there. I have, however, seen Assembly of God, Southern Baptist, Presbyterian, Independent Charismatic, and Methodists in areas like these.

Eventually, I believe we will see a slow acceptance in LDS Church of the gay lifestyle and ultimately a re-acceptance of polygymous marriages. My prayer is that all branches of Mormonism go the way Armstrongism. Armstrongism did a very courageous thing and the LDS Church can too.

I wonder if you're aware the the term "Armstrongism" is a derogatory term for the WCG.

I suspect that with the changes to marriage laws it will now be difficult to deny people the right to polygamous marriage. The precedent it set. Mormons may be back in business moving back into polygamy again.
 
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I like the way you put this ("It's just another example of society defining the Church instead of the Church defining society"). I grew up Mormon and this is THE defining part of their history since the death of Brigham Young; society defines that church.

Whether it was polygyny (the form of polygamy the LDS deity commanded), racism, the changing requirements of Temple Garments, or other shifting societal issues none matter because society and acceptance in that society are paramount when compared to edicts of the LDS deity? It's all about the money. Lawsuits cost money and some gay couple are high income earners.

I have been on short term (1-2 week) mission trips in 3rd world countries since 1984. I have never seen an LDS Missionary in the dump of Guatemala City , the slums of Panama City (Panama), or the ghettos of Santa Cruz (Bolivia). There is a reason; there is no money to had there. I have, however, seen Assembly of God, Southern Baptist, Presbyterian, Independent Charismatic, and Methodists in areas like these.

Eventually, I believe we will see a slow acceptance in LDS Church of the gay lifestyle and ultimately a re-acceptance of polygymous marriages. My prayer is that all branches of Mormonism go the way Armstrongism. Armstrongism did a very courageous thing and the LDS Church can too.

I''ve been praying for years that the LDS church leaders would see the light, admit to it and set their cruelly deceived followers free from the lies that keep them from knowing who Jesus Christ is. It really was an amazing thing the way the Armstrong Church set their followers free from previous false doctrine. Let's keep praying...
 
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...and it'd be a very noisy exit too, possibly with legal action over the matter in order to establish case law concerning freedom of association and religious rights.

They would lose that case. The Boys Scouts are a voluntary organization. They are not compelled to allow discrimination on the grounds of religion. They simply chose to do in the case of the LDS.
 
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I'm surprised at the Mormon decision on this. (And please, I'm not Mormon bashing). It's just another example of society defining the Church instead of the Church defining society.
Society defining society is the best way for a society to run. We have 100s of examples of a Church led State or Church influenced society and it always ended up with society worse off.
 
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I think what most people "hate" who take God and the New Testament seriously, is that they hate to see sexual immorality legalized by their highest court under the guise of "civil rights" and thereby shoved down their throats by soon to arrive "hate speech" legislation which is going to completely muzzle anyone who would verbally or otherwise disagree that same gender sex is moral, or that same gender marriage is a "right".

Only Paul says anything about same sex behavior in the New Testament. Jesus never said a word about it.
As for 'hate speech' the Supreme Court has already ruled that this cannot be prohibited. If they won't stop the Westboro Church, they won't stop you.
 
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People suffer when rulers turn from God. The former USSR and North Korea come to mind.
And people suffer when rulers turn to the church. Ireland, Middle East, and every State that was Church influenced in the West. Thankfully we no longer allow that. England had to behead a King who was convinced he was chosen by god to do as he pleased with the people.
 
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Let me be specific.

First, the 1st amendment has only to do with keeping the USA Gov from establishing a "state" church, while at the same time giving all citizens the right to their personally chosen religion.

Newsflash! The First Amendment is also about free speech. So there is no question of legislation stopping your hate speech.

Hate speech legislation is already on the books, and its a very short dive off the board to get this legislation's boundaries stretched to condemn any public opinion against gay sex or gay marriage included.

Wrong. Prohibiting hate speech has been consistently disallowed by the Supreme Court. However if the a hate crime is committed, hate speech can be used to identify the crime as motivated by hate.
 
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And people suffer when rulers turn to the church. Ireland, Middle East, and every State that was Church influenced in the West. Thankfully we no longer allow that. England had to behead a King who was convinced he was chosen by god to do as he pleased with the people.

Without exception, atheistic governments are involved with mass murder ,offer a poor standard of living, and have starving people.
 
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Removing one from fellowship with those who have a different worldview isn't discrimination.
I've never even met a Mormon Boy Scout. And it's scouting, not bible camp. There's certainly no "fellowship" happening in most troops (not actually sure what that term means, I admit).
 
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I've never even met a Mormon Boy Scout. And it's scouting, not bible camp. There's certainly no "fellowship" happening in most troops (not actually sure what that term means, I admit).

Fellowship = associating with like minded people.
 
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For anti-Christ spirit, sure.

The only reference to the anti-Christ and his spirit that I can find in the Bible is denying that Jesus Christ came in the flesh, in other words Gnosticism.

And this has what to do with not discriminating against gays?
 
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