Bartering system, what you got to trade?

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In a full apocalypse, nothing but teamwork, grit, secure shelter, and hard farming will save ya. Mass storage (hoarding) can get you by for a time. Prepping seems these days to go hand in hand with hoarding. I don't think anything could be LESS biblical.

However, wars and rumors of wars being as they are, and history being what it is, hard times can hit at any moment! No believer is self sufficient economically, we as a church are to share in all things. What can you keep on hand that will keep its value for trade or bartering in case of emergency?

Here is my top five list of things to have on hand in the case of hard times. Also, you could make a plan to quickly get these things in the early hours of the emergency. But make sure it's something you can fit in one shopping cart :)

Silver coins (100 ounces)
Ammunition (500 round rifle, 250 rounds pistol)
Cash ($1000-$2000)
Wine (40 bottles, red)
Gasoline (1 barrel)


What are your top five?
 
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In a full apocalypse, nothing but teamwork, grit, secure shelter, and hard farming will save ya. Mass storage (hoarding) can get you by for a time. Prepping seems these days to go hand in hand with hoarding. I don't think anything could be LESS biblical.

However, wars and rumors of wars being as they are, and history being what it is, hard times can hit at any moment! No believer is self sufficient economically, we as a church are to share in all things. What can you keep on hand that will keep its value for trade or bartering in case of emergency?

Here is my top five list of things to have on hand in the case of hard times. Also, you could make a plan to quickly get these things in the early hours of the emergency. But make sure it's something you can fit in one shopping cart :)

Silver coins (100 ounces)
Ammunition (500 round rifle, 250 rounds pistol)
Cash ($1000-$2000)
Wine (40 bottles, red)
Gasoline (1 barrel)


What are your top five?
It is possible that after an economic failure that paper money will be worthless (actually it already is.... i/t is just nobody is acting on it.)
Consider these:
1. Toilet paper
2. Soap, all kinds
3. Wine
4. Silver, as in "junk silver" which is coins made with silver prior to 1974(not sure about the year)
5. Eggs and other renewable produce.

Christian preppers are about moving from the economic model to one that might be defined as "self sufficient."
 
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It is possible that after an economic failure that paper money will be worthless (actually it already is.... i/t is just nobody is acting on it.)
Consider these:
1. Toilet paper
2. Soap, all kinds
3. Wine
4. Silver, as in "junk silver" which is coins made with silver prior to 1974(not sure about the year)
5. Eggs and other renewable produce.

Christian preppers are about moving from the economic model to one that might be defined as "self sufficient."

A local currency could actually have more real value than a national currency after a significant economic upheaval.

Even some states are discussing State currencies as well as encouraging local communities to begin them.

A church, theoretically, could initiate something along this line as well.


http://money.cnn.com/2012/01/17/pf/l...htm?iid=F_Jump


Now, even state governments are exploring the option. Lawmakers in more than 10 states, including Virginia, Georgia, South Carolina, Idaho and Tennessee, have been circulating proposals to introduce alternative currencies -- many of which would be issued in the form of gold or silver coins.

The Constitution prohibits individual states from printing and issuing paper money as legal tender, but they are allowed to use coins as currency, said Gatch. Individual communities, however, are able to create their own currencies -- including paper notes. Anyone can do it -- as long as the money is easily distinguishable from U.S. dollars and values are tied to the U.S. dollar so that income remains taxable.

Fear factor: Francis Ayley, the founder of Life Dollars, a currency started in Bellingham, Wash., in 2004, said fear of a shortage of U.S. dollars and frustration with the growing wealth gap in the country are driving more people to his currency. Since a majority of the transactions occur online and funds are directly transferred between members, the supply of Life Dollars is unlimited, he said.

The number of people or businesses signed up to use the currency, or members as Ayley refers to them, had remained relatively stable at 250 to 350 for years. But in the past two years, membership has doubled to more than 700. The currency's use has expanded beyond Bellingham to Seattle, too, where 75 new members have signed on in the past six months. Ayley estimates that more than $1 million worth of transactions have been made so far.
 
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The Worgl, Austria local money experiment caught on really well in the USA during the Great Depression.

http://www.christianforums.com/thre...-should-each-have-their-own-currency.7701455/

North American churches should each have their own currency!

I am of the belief that each large church in North America should discuss the printing up of their own church currency unit such as has been done by a group of socially active citizens in Calgary, Canada with their CalgaryDollars.ca

Here is a good article on how important local currencies were during the Great Depression:


Whatcom Watch Online - Story Display

City in Austria Printed Local Currency

Worgl, like many other European towns and cities, was hit hard by the Great Depression. There was mass unemployment; four of the five local factories had closed, and the people were starving in the streets. Nobody had any money to buy anything. One of the features of an economic depression is that there is not enough money in circulation to ensure that people can meet their basic needs, and in the 1930s, the shortage of currency in many countries of the world became catastrophic.

The mayor of Worgl, together with local businessmen, decided to try to break this economic impasse by creating their own local currency. They printed and issued 60,000 Austrian shillings worth of local currency. These shillings could only be spent in Worgl, so they remained in the local community and were exchanged over and over again.

The positive impact was immediate and surprising to everyone. In only six weeks, unemployment disappeared, all the factories had reopened and everyone had food. For the inhabitants of Worgl, the economic depression was gone. This dramatic transformation became known as the “miracle of Worgl.” Surrounding towns, inspired by the success of Worgl, immediately started printing their own local currencies.

Sadly, the miracle did not last long. When the Austrian Central Bank heard about Worgl’s local currency, they initiated legal proceedings against the mayor and local businessmen. According to Austrian banking law, it was illegal for anyone except the Austrian Central Bank to issue money. The bank won the court case, and the mayor was ordered to shut down the local currency, which he did, under threat of imprisonment. The town then returned to the devastating economic depression of the 1930s, with all the human pain and suffering associated with this catastrophe. Factories closed, and once again, the people starved.

Alternative Currency in the U.S.

Irving Fisher, an American professor of economics at Yale University, visited Worgl before the local currency was suppressed and witnessed the ‘miracle’ firsthand. When he returned to the United States, Fisher spread the word by traveling and lecturing across the country, advocating the use of the Worgl ‘scrip’ everywhere. Inspired by his vision, hundreds of communities began issuing their own currency, and by 1934 there were over 1,000 local communities using ‘scrip’ throughout the U.S.

Every one of these communities experienced a tremendous rejuvenation of their local economies. They thrived while others suffered. Fisher then met with President Franklin D. Roosevelt, proposing the implementation of government-sanctioned local ‘scrip’ in every community in America. When FDR consulted with his top financial advisors and bankers, however, he was advised to shut all the ‘scrip’ systems down, which he did. Instead, he borrowed large amounts of money from bankers, at interest, and used it to pay for the Reconstruction Finance Corporation and the other work-creation projects, which collectively came to be known as the ‘New Deal.’ So ended the last widespread use of a local currency within the U.S.

Surely everybody who reads this article would agree that we have many advantages over the people who lived in Worgl, Austria during the Great Depression?!

If they can do it....why can't we?

Here in Canada the only problem that we have to watch out for is that we must pay the same rate of taxation if we earn Calgary Dollars as if we had earned Canadian dollars....so we have to keep our level of bartering at the point where our tax bill doesn't get to high.....but if we volunteered our time and our church earned a local currency from another church....it could be amazing where this could lead!
 
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Not sure how relevvant this is but children barter all the time when they got no pocket money.
If currency fails, this is what people are going to do, if they are chrisitans which we do already. Its called SHARING.
 
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It is possible that after an economic failure that paper money will be worthless (actually it already is.... i/t is just nobody is acting on it.)
Consider these:
1. Toilet paper
2. Soap, all kinds
3. Wine
4. Silver, as in "junk silver" which is coins made with silver prior to 1974(not sure about the year)
5. Eggs and other renewable produce.

Christian preppers are about moving from the economic model to one that might be defined as "self sufficient."
TP, ya, bulky and there are many substitutes, but.... could be valuable for a trade. Honestly, I think that feminine hygiene products are a better value.
soap is a good one, but honestly, there is a lot of extra soap just laying around, and it can be easily conserved, so I don't think it's really a top item, though might be worth having the value pack in stock. Not sure a true hoard is needed.
wine is a barter item in all economies, and silver too, but I think for sheer silver weight, real bullion is better than the junk. One silver coin is likely to be a day's wage in any economy.
eggs, you mean chickens? I would defo do the chickens, or sheep, or both..... good one!
 
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It really depends on just how bad the situation is. In reality silver and gold can't be eaten so those are useful but only in a semi functioning world. I'd still have them on the list (silver coins only as gold would be hard to barter).

1. Food, mountain house #10 cans. 30 year or better shelf life, will be invaluable.
2. Firearms, a spare rifle, shotgun and hand gun to barter with.
3. Ammunition, the above is the useless without it.
4. Medication, such as antibiotics will be priceless. You can stock veterinarian anti biotics quite cheaply and they are the same pills that humans use. A chest full of common over the counter meds from anti acids to anti diarrhea meds will save lives and be highly prized.
5. A spare truck, V8, 4 wheel drive, no electronics so EMP has no effect. Set up to run on alcohol which you can make. You wouldn't barter the truck but being able to help others get someplace, pick up and deliver goods, so you would barter the usefulness of what the truck can do.

I have my WWORL truck it's a 1970 Dodge power wagon, set up to run on alchohol I can make in a still. All electronics (not that it had much) have been removed. 440 cubic inch V8, and a heavy duty automatic with 4 wheel drive insure it will go anywhere I point it.
 
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Interesting.

Thats just treating things as commodities just like the world does anyway instead of sharing them or giving them away as christians are meant to do.

The question was "what will you barter, what do you have to trade" if you would like to start a new topic about what you plan on stocking deeply so that you can help others please feel free to.

Websters defines bartering as

verb (used without object)
1. to trade by exchange of commodities rather than by the use of money.
 
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Thank you, Dennis. I never heard those local currency stories before.

Thank you vinsight4u. Apparently ten USA States are discussing the creation of State currencies and encouraging local communities to begin them. My question is..... why not churches????????

http://money.cnn.com/2012/01/17/pf/l...htm?iid=F_Jump

Now, even state governments are exploring the option. Lawmakers in more than 10 states, including Virginia, Georgia, South Carolina, Idaho and Tennessee, have been circulating proposals to introduce alternative currencies -- many of which would be issued in the form of gold or silver coins.

The Constitution prohibits individual states from printing and issuing paper money as legal tender, but they are allowed to use coins as currency, said Gatch. Individual communities, however, are able to create their own currencies -- including paper notes. Anyone can do it -- as long as the money is easily distinguishable from U.S. dollars and values are tied to the U.S. dollar so that income remains taxable.

Fear factor: Francis Ayley, the founder of Life Dollars, a currency started in Bellingham, Wash., in 2004, said fear of a shortage of U.S. dollars and frustration with the growing wealth gap in the country are driving more people to his currency. Since a majority of the transactions occur online and funds are directly transferred between members, the supply of Life Dollars is unlimited, he said.

The number of people or businesses signed up to use the currency, or members as Ayley refers to them, had remained relatively stable at 250 to 350 for years. But in the past two years, membership has doubled to more than 700. The currency's use has expanded beyond Bellingham to Seattle, too, where 75 new members have signed on in the past six months. Ayley estimates that more than $1 million worth of transactions have been made so far.
 
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It really depends on just how bad the situation is. In reality silver and gold can't be eaten so those are useful but only in a semi functioning world. I'd still have them on the list (silver coins only as gold would be hard to barter).

1. Food, mountain house #10 cans. 30 year or better shelf life, will be invaluable.
2. Firearms, a spare rifle, shotgun and hand gun to barter with.
3. Ammunition, the above is the useless without it.
4. Medication, such as antibiotics will be priceless. You can stock veterinarian anti biotics quite cheaply and they are the same pills that humans use. A chest full of common over the counter meds from anti acids to anti diarrhea meds will save lives and be highly prized.
5. A spare truck, V8, 4 wheel drive, no electronics so EMP has no effect. Set up to run on alcohol which you can make. You wouldn't barter the truck but being able to help others get someplace, pick up and deliver goods, so you would barter the usefulness of what the truck can do.

I have my WWORL truck it's a 1970 Dodge power wagon, set up to run on alchohol I can make in a still. All electronics (not that it had much) have been removed. 440 cubic inch V8, and a heavy duty automatic with 4 wheel drive insure it will go anywhere I point it.

I am seriously impressed!

You have obviously made some wise preparations!

Just in case what Pastor Shane Warren was shown happens soon?????!


Shane Warren 1 on It's Supernatural with Sid Roth - Future of America
 
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Thank you vinsight4u. Apparently ten USA States are discussing the creation of State currencies and encouraging local communities to begin them. My question is..... why not churches????????

http://money.cnn.com/2012/01/17/pf/l...htm?iid=F_Jump

Actually, the source in the quote you posted has it backward. The Constitution allows only the Federal govt to "coin" money. And the law states that only the Federal govt can print US Dollars. However, printing "banknotes" isn't illegal. In fact, anyone can print money as long as it isn't a "national currency". Meaning, you cant print US Dollars, or French Francs, etc.

Legally, every time you write a paper check you are "printing money". Throughout history states, companies, even individuals have printed their own "notes". Sometime they have been called "Script" or "Specie", but it amounts to the same thing.

The only drawback to that is that any "currency" must be backed by something. The current US Dollar is back by the full "faith and credit" of the American people, aka "fiat currency". It used to be backed by gold and silver. If anyone, including a state, prints currency, and doesn't have something to back it up, it is the same as you knowingly writing a check and not having the funds to cover it. That's called fraud. This is why there has been some talk about Texas demanding their gold be returned from the Federal Reserve.
 
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I have quite a few things to barter/trade. I have a lot of heirloom seeds. I have the equipment to manufacture tools. And I can make vegetable oil, which can then be processed into bio-fuel. Plus, I have a unique power generation system and can trade electricity in the form of battery charging. Ive actually been thinking of filing a patent application for my power system. Ive searched the internet for years and haven't seen a system exactly like it.
 
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I dont store things to trade but a couple small ideas one could add to their own list might be one of those sillcock's key (for tapping into an emmergency water supply) as was on that video I posted on another thread. A lifestraw for other water.

A small luxury item like a deodorant stone is very cheap to obtain (takes up no room). Giving someone something so small (and convenient) but for personal hygeine that will last the person a year and a half easy. I love those things. I just got my husband into the mist form of it, he wasnt taking to that stone.

Spices, various small jars set aside

I have the items to make wine in bulk, but I havent made that yet, but you can always take from that supply and trade some of their frut (from their trees) to make yours while you share your supplies to make wine from it with them.

Thats all I could think of off the top of my head.
 
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Pint bottles of whiskey and small bottles of honey (both with forever shelf life) will be very valuable in a societal breakdown...really hesitate to trade weapons/ammo that could eventually be used against me.
Wine maybe... easy to make. A high barter value.
 
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