Pre-Trib Only They Have The Red Heifer!
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I wonder how long red heifers live? Will it still be alive when the temple is built?
Say Rant, serious question for you.
If they did build another temple and you went there with friends. Would you go in with them to sacrifice an animal? I'm not talking about a whole cow, they used to sacrifice birds and little animals.
Would you go into the temple to sacrifice a dove or something?
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OK, good answer, you got me.
But lets say they've got a prefab all ready to go and put the temple up fast because they don't want that red heifer to catch a cold.
The Rapture didn't happen yet and you are there with a dozen friends in the outer court. There's pigeons for sale there, would you go in and sacrifice a bird offering to the Lord?
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Gideon
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Dave Watchman said:
Some misguided Christians would not sacrifice for themselves, but they would encourage Jewish people to do so. They glorify the building of a new temple, not realizing that it will be an abomination. Worse, they say that they love 'Israel', but teach Israelis to blaspheme.
Christians who truly care about Jews, will tell them that Jesus is their atoning sacrifice - not a red heifer.
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The opinion of the chief editor of the Scofield Reference Bible... (He was a pretribber.)
Arno C. Gaebelein on a Rebuilt Jewish Temple in Modern Israel:
Today we have many Christians who seem to believe a rebuilt Jewish temple in the modern nation of Israel would be a good thing. Some have even given financially to aid in this effort.
Arno C. Gaebelein immigrated from Germany to the U.S. in 1879, at an age of about 18.
He later became a Methodist minister who had a heart for evangelizing the Jewish people. In 1893 he began publication of a periodical titled, “The Hope of Israel Monthly”.
In 1901 he began the Sea Cliff Bible Conference, where he later met C.I. Scofield. Gaebelein was instrumental in helping Scofield achieve the publication of the Scofield Reference Bible. As a matter of fact, Gaebelein was one of the editors of the Scofield Bible.
Arno Gaebelein was an ardent Dispensationalist. In 1933 he published a book titled “Conflict of the Ages”. In this book he gave his viewpoint on the efforts to establish a modern nation of Israel and a rebuilt temple in Jerusalem.
Excerpts from the book are found below.
From Pages 150-153
“Some forty years ago there began in Judaism a significant national revival. Orthodox Jews always had in their hearts a homesickness for the land of their fathers, and sporadic efforts of colonization were made from time to time. Then arose a great leader, Dr. Theodore Herzl. He formulated a plan to establish a Jewish state in Palestine. Zionism was born and as a result there has been for many years a revival of the Jewish national hope. But, the Zionistic movement was not the product of faith in God’s oath-bound covenants. It is not the result of a spiritual revival, a return to God. It was and it is still a movement of unbelief, a political and humanitarian scheme, which has no use for the real Jewish hope, which centers in the promised Messiah King.”
“Jerusalem was captured by General Allenby and put under British mandate. Since that time an astonishing progress has been made in Israel’s land. Thousands of Jews have gathered from the four corners of the earth, so that today over 200,000 are living in Palestine, more than ever before since the destruction of Jerusalem 70 A.D., and thousands more are waiting to settle there, Great agricultural schemes, irrigation and other improvements, have been brought about. New industries are being established, a university is now located there and the Hebrew language is revived, and is once more a living language. As Ezekiel saw in his great prophetic vision, there is a stir among the dry bones of the house of Israel (Ezek. Xxxvii). An organization is effected, but the life-giving Spirit is lacking. He is not there because all the schemes and plans do not come from faith in God’s Word. The whole movement is one of unbelief, which is displeasing to God, and finally results in new judgments upon Israel’s land.
One of the schemes now advocated is the restoration of the temple worship as demanded by the levitical code. They speak of building a temple, and it is said that young men, who trace their descent from Levi, are being instructed in the different ceremonials. One can readily see, that, in order to consummate the restoration plans, another temple is needed. It will come to pass some day, and when it does it will be the culmination of Jewish unbelief, and will bring upon them the indignation of Jehovah, the God of Israel.
This is strikingly indicated in the last chapter of the Prophet Isaiah, which deals with the days of the Jews restoration in unbelief. We must glance at it. The chapter begins with the statement of building a house for the Lord. “Where is the house that ye build unto Me? And where is the place of My rest?” In the third verse the future sacrifices are anticipated, In the places of worship during the Old Testament times, lambs, bulls, and goats were brought as sacrifices, because the new and living way into God’s holy presence was not yet made. All the sacrifices and offerings were prophecies of the true sacrifice and that precious blood which the holy Son of God was to shed as the Lamb of God. To reject Him and His sacrificial work is now the crowning sin, and for Jews to turn back to these sacrifices, which have no more meaning, is doubly obnoxious in the sight of God. We hear Him speak in this prophecy about this consummating act of Jewish unbelief. “He that killeth an ox (in sacrifice) is as if he slew a man; he that sacrificeth a lamb, as if he cut off a dog’s neck; he that offered an oblation, as if he offered swine’s blood; he that burneth incense, as if he blessed an idol. Yea, they have chosen their own ways, and their soul delighteth in their abominations” (Isa. lxvi:4).
Read on in this chapter and find how, when this abomination is in Jerusalem, the Lord will come and by His sudden manifestation end this false worship.”
Based on the Gaebelein’s viewpoint of a rebuilt temple in the modern city of Jerusalem, it is difficult to understand how Christians today could think it would be a good thing to renew animal sacrifices in a rebuilt temple.
Arno C. Gaebelein on a Rebuilt Jewish Temple in Modern Israel:
Today we have many Christians who seem to believe a rebuilt Jewish temple in the modern nation of Israel would be a good thing. Some have even given financially to aid in this effort.
Arno C. Gaebelein immigrated from Germany to the U.S. in 1879, at an age of about 18.
He later became a Methodist minister who had a heart for evangelizing the Jewish people. In 1893 he began publication of a periodical titled, “The Hope of Israel Monthly”.
In 1901 he began the Sea Cliff Bible Conference, where he later met C.I. Scofield. Gaebelein was instrumental in helping Scofield achieve the publication of the Scofield Reference Bible. As a matter of fact, Gaebelein was one of the editors of the Scofield Bible.
Arno Gaebelein was an ardent Dispensationalist. In 1933 he published a book titled “Conflict of the Ages”. In this book he gave his viewpoint on the efforts to establish a modern nation of Israel and a rebuilt temple in Jerusalem.
Excerpts from the book are found below.
From Pages 150-153
“Some forty years ago there began in Judaism a significant national revival. Orthodox Jews always had in their hearts a homesickness for the land of their fathers, and sporadic efforts of colonization were made from time to time. Then arose a great leader, Dr. Theodore Herzl. He formulated a plan to establish a Jewish state in Palestine. Zionism was born and as a result there has been for many years a revival of the Jewish national hope. But, the Zionistic movement was not the product of faith in God’s oath-bound covenants. It is not the result of a spiritual revival, a return to God. It was and it is still a movement of unbelief, a political and humanitarian scheme, which has no use for the real Jewish hope, which centers in the promised Messiah King.”
“Jerusalem was captured by General Allenby and put under British mandate. Since that time an astonishing progress has been made in Israel’s land. Thousands of Jews have gathered from the four corners of the earth, so that today over 200,000 are living in Palestine, more than ever before since the destruction of Jerusalem 70 A.D., and thousands more are waiting to settle there, Great agricultural schemes, irrigation and other improvements, have been brought about. New industries are being established, a university is now located there and the Hebrew language is revived, and is once more a living language. As Ezekiel saw in his great prophetic vision, there is a stir among the dry bones of the house of Israel (Ezek. Xxxvii). An organization is effected, but the life-giving Spirit is lacking. He is not there because all the schemes and plans do not come from faith in God’s Word. The whole movement is one of unbelief, which is displeasing to God, and finally results in new judgments upon Israel’s land.
One of the schemes now advocated is the restoration of the temple worship as demanded by the levitical code. They speak of building a temple, and it is said that young men, who trace their descent from Levi, are being instructed in the different ceremonials. One can readily see, that, in order to consummate the restoration plans, another temple is needed. It will come to pass some day, and when it does it will be the culmination of Jewish unbelief, and will bring upon them the indignation of Jehovah, the God of Israel.
This is strikingly indicated in the last chapter of the Prophet Isaiah, which deals with the days of the Jews restoration in unbelief. We must glance at it. The chapter begins with the statement of building a house for the Lord. “Where is the house that ye build unto Me? And where is the place of My rest?” In the third verse the future sacrifices are anticipated, In the places of worship during the Old Testament times, lambs, bulls, and goats were brought as sacrifices, because the new and living way into God’s holy presence was not yet made. All the sacrifices and offerings were prophecies of the true sacrifice and that precious blood which the holy Son of God was to shed as the Lamb of God. To reject Him and His sacrificial work is now the crowning sin, and for Jews to turn back to these sacrifices, which have no more meaning, is doubly obnoxious in the sight of God. We hear Him speak in this prophecy about this consummating act of Jewish unbelief. “He that killeth an ox (in sacrifice) is as if he slew a man; he that sacrificeth a lamb, as if he cut off a dog’s neck; he that offered an oblation, as if he offered swine’s blood; he that burneth incense, as if he blessed an idol. Yea, they have chosen their own ways, and their soul delighteth in their abominations” (Isa. lxvi:4).
Read on in this chapter and find how, when this abomination is in Jerusalem, the Lord will come and by His sudden manifestation end this false worship.”
Based on the Gaebelein’s viewpoint of a rebuilt temple in the modern city of Jerusalem, it is difficult to understand how Christians today could think it would be a good thing to renew animal sacrifices in a rebuilt temple.
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The orthodox want to do this, but there will not be a temple of the Lord's on the mount during the coming tribulation [Revelation 11:2]
The next will not come until the tribulation is over [Ezekiel 40-48]
The next will not come until the tribulation is over [Ezekiel 40-48]
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