The Truth about ERVs

Aman777 · Aug 4, 2015

Loudmouth said:
Yes, a population that is descended from ancestors who had pre-integration sites for ERV's that are fixed in other species. We should find those pre-integration sites in the human population if your fantasies are true. We don't find them. Your fantasies are falsified.

False, since you haven't looked for any and neither has anyone else. Tell us HOW you know that Humans had pre-integration sites which were not filled by the prehistoric parent of the Human offspring of the two "kinds". Human and prehistoric.

Loudmouth · Aug 4, 2015

Aman777 said:
False, since you haven't looked for any and neither has anyone else.

Yes, the have looked for them. I already gave you the scientific reference.

"The main difficulty is that most HERVs investigated to date are present at the same locus in 100% of the population. However, a new class of insertionally polymorphic HERV-K family members, present in a minority of individuals, has recently been described."
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17524519

Tell us HOW you know that Humans had pre-integration sites which were not filled by the prehistoric parent of the Human offspring of the two "kinds". Human and prehistoric.

Because that is not how ERV's work. ERV's don't copy themselves and insert into the other chromosome at the same position.

Aman777 · Aug 4, 2015

Loudmouth said:
Yes, the have looked for them. I already gave you the scientific reference.

"The main difficulty is that most HERVs investigated to date are present at the same locus in 100% of the population. However, a new class of insertionally polymorphic HERV-K family members, present in a minority of individuals, has recently been described."
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17524519

Because that is not how ERV's work. ERV's don't copy themselves and insert into the other chromosome at the same position.

Doesn't apply since today's Scientists cannot tell us the difference between Humans and the sons of God (prehistoric people). Today's Humans, because our ancestors married and produced children with each other, ALL inherited the ERVs of ancient creatures. Because you THINK we are all the same, your tests are as incomplete as your view that Humans had our beginning on this lost and dying Earth. Ignorance of How and When we INHERITED Adam's superior intelligence is what leaves the incomplete ToE a false assumption.

Loudmouth · Aug 4, 2015

Aman777 said:
Doesn't apply since today's Scientists cannot tell us the difference between Humans and the sons of God (prehistoric people).

I just showed you how we can tell them apart. Why can't you even discuss it?

Today's Humans, because our ancestors married and produced children with each other, ALL inherited the ERVs of ancient creatures.

How could Noah inherit those ERV's if none of his ancestors were primates?

Because you THINK we are all the same, . . .

I have references which demonstrate that we are all the same. It has nothing to do with what I think. It has to do with the facts, which you have to run away from. You claim that your position is supported by science, yet at every turn you are running away from the science.

Ignorance of How and When we INHERITED Adam's superior intelligence is what leaves the incomplete ToE a false assumption.

It isn't ignorance when someone refuses to believe your fantasies.

Aman777 · Aug 4, 2015

Loudmouth said:
I just showed you how we can tell them apart. Why can't you even discuss it?

How could Noah inherit those ERV's if none of his ancestors were primates?

I have references which demonstrate that we are all the same. It has nothing to do with what I think. It has to do with the facts, which you have to run away from. You claim that your position is supported by science, yet at every turn you are running away from the science.

It isn't ignorance when someone refuses to believe your fantasies.

I have no fantasies. I have God's Holy Word which agrees with Science and History. All you have is the consensus view of godless scientists who have REJECTED God's Truth in favor of man's changeable Theories. This means that you agree with the Scoffers fo the last days who are "willingly ignorant" that Adam's world was totally destroyed in the Flood. ll Peter 3:3-7 Amen?

Loudmouth · Aug 5, 2015

Aman777 said:
I have no fantasies. I have God's Holy Word which agrees with Science and History.

I just showed you that it doesn't agree with science. Wake up Aman.

Aman777 · Aug 5, 2015

Loudmouth said:
I just showed you that it doesn't agree with science. Wake up Aman.

The following shows that your position is that of the Scoffers of the last days:

2Pet3:3 Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts,4 And saying, Where is the promise of His coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.

IS the position of the Scoffers of the last days, also your position? Of course it is and Evolution preachers are currently force teaching our children the SAME thing. I don't agree with EVERY false theory of today's Science but only with the Truthful ones.

5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water: 6 Whereby the world (Greek-Kosmos) that THEN WAS, being overflowed with water, perished: (Greek-destroyed totally)

Do you agree that Adam's world that THEN WAS was totally destroyed in the Flood?

7 But the heavens and the earth, WHICH ARE NOW, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.

Do you agree that the heavens and the earth WHICH ARE NOW will be burned? IF not, then it does NOT matter what the changeable view of today's Science is, since God's Holy Word changes NOT. Do you believe that man's view is more correct than God's?

Loudmouth · Aug 5, 2015

Aman777 said:
The following shows that your position is that of the Scoffers of the last days:

2Pet3:3 Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts,4 And saying, Where is the promise of His coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.

IS the position of the Scoffers of the last days, also your position? Of course it is and Evolution preachers are currently force teaching our children the SAME thing. I don't agree with EVERY false theory of today's Science but only with the Truthful ones.

5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water: 6 Whereby the world (Greek-Kosmos) that THEN WAS, being overflowed with water, perished: (Greek-destroyed totally)

Do you agree that Adam's world that THEN WAS was totally destroyed in the Flood?

7 But the heavens and the earth, WHICH ARE NOW, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.

Do you agree that the heavens and the earth WHICH ARE NOW will be burned? IF not, then it does NOT matter what the changeable view of today's Science is, since God's Holy Word changes NOT. Do you believe that man's view is more correct than God's?

So when the science contradicts your fantasies, you just ignore the science.

Thanks for finally admitting that.

Aman777 · Aug 5, 2015

Loudmouth said:
So when the science contradicts your fantasies, you just ignore the science.

Thanks for finally admitting that.

No, I don't ignore True Science but the False ToE is NOT Science but instead is the biggest satanic lie in Human history. The Scoffers of the last days are caught in the SNARE or Trap of the Flood because they have REJECTED God's Truth which clearly shows that Adam was made on another world which was totally destroyed in the Flood. This completely refutes the False ToE. Try again?

Loudmouth · Aug 6, 2015

Aman777 said:
No, I don't ignore True Science but the False ToE is NOT Science but instead is the biggest satanic lie in Human history.

You never demonstrated that it is false. The only criteria you are using is whether the science contradicts your fantasies.

Aman777 · Aug 6, 2015

Loudmouth said:
You never demonstrated that it is false. The only criteria you are using is whether the science contradicts your fantasies.

Not true, since I posted the scientific truths in Genesis which YOU could not refute AND I posted empirical historic evidence which you could not refute. FYI, Just because someone hand waves off actual evidence does NOT mean that that evidence is false. I have also given you many Scriptural references which you dismiss as myth and REFUSE to consider.

I am still waiting for you to refute God's Holy Word, explain HOW ancient men wrote the scientific truth in Genesis, thousands of years BEFORE Science and I await your explanation of WHY the first modern Human traits SUDDENLY appeared in the mountains of Ararat some 10k years ago, as the map of the fertile crescent shows. Do you deny that I have offered you this evidence, or do you think that your view is higher than that of God, Science and History?

Loudmouth · Aug 6, 2015

Aman777 said:
Not true, since I posted the scientific truths in Genesis which YOU could not refute AND I posted empirical historic evidence which you could not refute.

I don't have to refute bare assertions.

I presented evidence. Real scientific evidence. You ignore it because it conflicts with your fantasies.

Aman777 · Aug 6, 2015

Loudmouth said:
I don't have to refute bare assertions.

I presented evidence. Real scientific evidence. You ignore it because it conflicts with your fantasies.

False. I refute the Godless Theory of Evolution scientifically, scripturally and historically and you cannot refute God's Holy Word. In the end, you will see that God's Truth is the Literal Truth, while your view is only compatible with the incomplete, untrue ideas of men who have REJECTED God's story of the Flood which totally REFUTES the ToE.

The false teaching that brainwashes our children into believing they evolved from animals will soon produce Humans who actually THINK they are animals and act like it. Unless Jesus returns, NO Flesh will be saved. Mat 24:22 Then, we will learn Real scientific evidence instead of the changeable science of today. God's Truth changes NOT. Amen?

Loudmouth · Aug 7, 2015

Aman777 said:
False. I refute the Godless Theory of Evolution scientifically,

No, you don't. You haven't presented any science at all. All you do is reject any science that conflicts with your religious beliefs. That isn't science.

Aman777 · Aug 7, 2015

Loudmouth said:
No, you don't. You haven't presented any science at all. All you do is reject any science that conflicts with your religious beliefs. That isn't science.

How quickly you forget this post:

If you think that Genesis was written by men, then please explain HOW ancient men knew these Scientific Facts so long ago:

1 That we live in a Multiverse Gen 1:6-8 and Gen 2:4
2 That the Big Bang was on the 3rd Day but the first stars didn't light up until the 4th Day Gen 1:16 EXACTLY as Space telescopes have recently confirmed.
3 That every living creature was made from the water on the 5th Day Gen 1:21
4 That the sons of God (prehistoric people) could produce children with Humans (descendants of Adam) Gen 6:1-4
5 That the first Human city on this Earth was built by Noah's great grandson whose Mother was a prehistoric woman. Gen 10:10
6 That the first farmers, city builders and Humans would leave EVIDENCE of their arrival in the valleys SW of Lake Van, Turkey in the Cradle of Human civilization on this Earth
http://www.fsmitha.com/h1/map00-fc.html
7 That a persons body could be opened to take out a rib and then closed back up Gen 2:21and live, the first surgery.

These events and more cannot be explained by claiming that men wrote the Bible since many of the events are BEFORE our Solar System was formed and thousands of years BEFORE man's Science. When you refute these scientific Facts in Genesis, you can claim that I haven't posted any Science at all. Until then, everyone can see that you are running and hiding from God's Truth.

BTW, I have MORE if you can answer these. The Bible is full of scientific facts. Amen?

Loudmouth · Aug 10, 2015

Aman777 said:
How quickly you forget this post:

If you think that Genesis was written by men, then please explain HOW ancient men knew these Scientific Facts so long ago:

1 That we live in a Multiverse Gen 1:6-8 and Gen 2:4
2 That the Big Bang was on the 3rd Day but the first stars didn't light up until the 4th Day Gen 1:16 EXACTLY as Space telescopes have recently confirmed.
3 That every living creature was made from the water on the 5th Day Gen 1:21
4 That the sons of God (prehistoric people) could produce children with Humans (descendants of Adam) Gen 6:1-4
5 That the first Human city on this Earth was built by Noah's great grandson whose Mother was a prehistoric woman. Gen 10:10
6 That the first farmers, city builders and Humans would leave EVIDENCE of their arrival in the valleys SW of Lake Van, Turkey in the Cradle of Human civilization on this Earth
http://www.fsmitha.com/h1/map00-fc.html
7 That a persons body could be opened to take out a rib and then closed back up Gen 2:21and live, the first surgery.

These events and more cannot be explained by claiming that men wrote the Bible since many of the events are BEFORE our Solar System was formed and thousands of years BEFORE man's Science. When you refute these scientific Facts in Genesis, you can claim that I haven't posted any Science at all. Until then, everyone can see that you are running and hiding from God's Truth.

BTW, I have MORE if you can answer these. The Bible is full of scientific facts. Amen?

ERV's, Aman. Where is the science for ERV's?

Aman777 · Aug 10, 2015

Loudmouth said:
ERV's, Aman. Where is the science for ERV's?

Probably the same place as the willing ignorance of today's Science which has NO idea that Humans did NOT evolve on Planet Earth. This means that ALL of their Evol lies, including the incomplete and changeable study of ERVs CANNOT claim to know everything, but God does.

You NEVER answer my questions. Answer mine first and then I will answer your's. HOW can Humans have evolved from the common ancestor of Apes since Humans were made (3rd Day) which is Billions of years before ANY other living creature, (5th Day) was created from the water, including the common ancestor of Apes? Also, tell us HOW you know of these events since they happened Billions of years BEFORE our Solar System was formed?

You can't claim support from Science because it was BEFORE the Big Bang when Adam, the first Human, was formed of the dust of the ground on another world which was totally destroyed in the Flood. Science is totally ignorant of the events above. Are both of you just Bluffing? Amen?

Loudmouth · Aug 11, 2015

Aman777 said:
Probably the same place as the willing ignorance of today's Science which has NO idea that Humans did NOT evolve on Planet Earth. This means that ALL of their Evol lies, including the incomplete and changeable study of ERVs CANNOT claim to know everything, but God does.

You NEVER answer my questions. Answer mine first and then I will answer your's. HOW can Humans have evolved from the common ancestor of Apes since Humans were made (3rd Day) which is Billions of years before ANY other living creature, (5th Day) was created from the water, including the common ancestor of Apes? Also, tell us HOW you know of these events since they happened Billions of years BEFORE our Solar System was formed?

You can't claim support from Science because it was BEFORE the Big Bang when Adam, the first Human, was formed of the dust of the ground on another world which was totally destroyed in the Flood. Science is totally ignorant of the events above. Are both of you just Bluffing? Amen?

Where is the ERV evidence?

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