Scientifically speaking, What is the Purpose of Life?

toLiJC

Senior Member
Jun 18, 2012
3,041
227
✟35,877.00
Faith
Non-Denom
Marital Status
Private
That's correct. Satan is nothing more than an angel who turned away from God.
Some passages suggest that other angels followed him.
Satan is the god of this earth.

what exactly of these two is satan, angel or "god"?!, here is how you also see satan as something more than an angel, because you kind of contrasted angel and god when you categorized satan, though you did it more or less unawares, and that's right, satan is the main manifestation of the "darkness", that's why it is shown as a "serpent" in Genesis 3, because it comes from the bottom of the universe, where the "darkness" lies, and goes through the "earth" like a snake emerging from its hole and a worm pushing its way through the soil particles, it is shown as a snake in Genesis 3, because it had no power in the world yet before having entered into the world, compared to Revelation 12 where it is shown as a "dragon", because the prophecy about satan there presents it already as having power in the world, so it is not a besouled angel or ex-angel of Lord God, because it is presented as a "serpent" throughout in the biblical scriptures

Blessings
 
Last edited:
Upvote 0

toLiJC

Senior Member
Jun 18, 2012
3,041
227
✟35,877.00
Faith
Non-Denom
Marital Status
Private
He is a fallen created angel, and as a result, he is now a type of god ruling over our material world.

there is just no enough proof of this belief, because there is no even one biblical verse to show satan itself as an ex- besouled angel of Lord God, those verses from Isaiah 14 and Ezekiel 28 refer to a certain man("king of baylon")(Isaiah) and to another man("prince of Tyrus") who was a "cherub" sometime before the present eternity(Ezekiel), and there are no signs of satan itself shown as an angel or an ex-cherub in the Bible, but there is even a clearly shown difference between satan and the cherubs in Genesis 3, where satan is presented as a serpent, while there are also cherubs below:

Genesis 3:1-24 "Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made..... he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims"

the meaning of the first verse for me(according to what i have from the true Lord God) is:
and lo, satan issued/emerged/came from the "darkness", and it was (more) subtle compared to the creatures that the Lord God had made

"subtle" means: so delicate or precise as to be difficult to analyze or describe, barely intangible/perceptible, and it can also be translated as: able, adept, potent, wise, etc., as well as: wicked, guileful

so satan is not called "angel" or "cherub" anywhere in the Bible, but the "cherubs" are shown even in the same chapter of Genesis(the 3rd) where satan is presented for the first time, this means there is some difference between the origin/nature/category of satan and that of the angels/cherubs, however, the difference between "serpent" and "cherubims" is quite clear

i do not say such a belief/persuasion (about how satan is ostensibly an angel if it is actually more than this) is absolutely fatal at all events, but the purity of the faith matters for sure, because why must we underestimate satan if it might hide itself behind such a false prophecy/misbelief in order to have more power to prejudice/harm the deceived believers?!, e.g. so there were till now many hindu worshipers who thought that they are risen above any delusion, but the kingdom/world of the "darkness" turned out to be much greater and more sublime, graceful and blissful than they thought it is

Jude 1:8-10 "these filthy dreamers defile the flesh, despise dominion, and speak evil of dignities. Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation(i.e. did not dare to underestimate it), but said, The Lord rebuke thee. But these speak evil of those things which they know not: but what they know naturally, as brute beasts, in those things they corrupt themselves."

Blessings
 
Upvote 0

SkyWriting

The Librarian
Site Supporter
Jan 10, 2010
37,279
8,500
Milwaukee
✟410,948.00
Country
United States
Faith
Non-Denom
Marital Status
Married
Politics
US-Others
there is just no enough proof of this belief, because there is no even one biblical verse to show satan itself as an ex- besouled angel of Lord God, those verses from Isaiah 14 and Ezekiel 28 refer to a certain man("king of baylon")(Isaiah) and to another man("prince of Tyrus") who was a "cherub" sometime before the present eternity(Ezekiel), and there are no signs of satan itself shown as an angel or an ex-cherub in the Bible, but there is even a clearly shown difference between satan and the cherubs in Genesis 3, where satan is presented as a serpent, while there are also cherubs below:

Genesis 3:1-24 "Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made..... he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims"

the meaning of the first verse for me(according to what i have from the true Lord God) is:
and lo, satan issued/emerged/came from the "darkness", and it was (more) subtle compared to the creatures that the Lord God had made

"subtle" means: so delicate or precise as to be difficult to analyze or describe, barely intangible/perceptible, and it can also be translated as: able, adept, potent, wise, etc., as well as: wicked, guileful

so satan is not called "angel" or "cherub" anywhere in the Bible, but the "cherubs" are shown even in the same chapter of Genesis(the 3rd) where satan is presented for the first time, this means there is some difference between the origin/nature/category of satan and that of the angels/cherubs, however, the difference between "serpent" and "cherubims" is quite clear

i do not say such a belief/persuasion (about how satan is ostensibly an angel if it is actually more than this) is absolutely fatal at all events, but the purity of the faith matters for sure, because why must we underestimate satan if it might hide itself behind such a false prophecy/misbelief in order to have more power to prejudice/harm the deceived believers?!, e.g. so there were till now many hindu worshipers who thought that they are risen above any delusion, but the kingdom/world of the "darkness" turned out to be much greater and more sublime, graceful and blissful than they thought it is

Jude 1:8-10 "these filthy dreamers defile the flesh, despise dominion, and speak evil of dignities. Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation(i.e. did not dare to underestimate it), but said, The Lord rebuke thee. But these speak evil of those things which they know not: but what they know naturally, as brute beasts, in those things they corrupt themselves."

Blessings

Sorry. I fail to see the problem.
 
Upvote 0

toLiJC

Senior Member
Jun 18, 2012
3,041
227
✟35,877.00
Faith
Non-Denom
Marital Status
Private
Sorry. I fail to see the problem.

nothing personal, but i also do not dare to believe a lie, why to sin before That Who really is the true Lord God?!

Romans 14:23 "whoever doubts stands condemned if he eats, because his eating is not from a conviction, and everything that is not from a conviction is sin.",

2 Corinthians 11:3-4 "I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ. For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.",

Galatians 5:4-9 "Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace. For we through the Spirit wait for the hope of righteousness by faith. For in Jesus Christ neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision; but faith which worketh by love. Ye did run well; who did hinder you that ye should not obey the truth? This persuasion cometh not of him that calleth you. A little leaven leaveneth the whole lump.",

1 Timothy 5:11-12 "the younger widows refuse: for when they have begun to wax wanton against Christ, they will marry; Having damnation, because they have cast off their first faith."

Blessings
 
Upvote 0

toLiJC

Senior Member
Jun 18, 2012
3,041
227
✟35,877.00
Faith
Non-Denom
Marital Status
Private
Of course you do.

how to dare, especially after it is written:

1 John 4:1 "Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.",

2 Corinthians 13:5 "Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?",

1 Thessalonians 5:20-21 "Despise not prophesyings. Prove all things; hold fast that which is good."

Blessings
 
Upvote 0

SkyWriting

The Librarian
Site Supporter
Jan 10, 2010
37,279
8,500
Milwaukee
✟410,948.00
Country
United States
Faith
Non-Denom
Marital Status
Married
Politics
US-Others
how to dare, especially after it is written:
1 John 4:1 "Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.",
2 Corinthians 13:5 "Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?",
1 Thessalonians 5:20-21 "Despise not prophesyings. Prove all things; hold fast that which is good."
Blessings

You you really think that you do not lie to yourself?
Given that all around you do....it seems likely you are the same species.
Additionally, the process of faith is deluding oneself.

I could go through 1000's of examples where you delude yourself in order to survive.
For one...there is a huge blind spot in your field of vision.
You brain invents information to fill the blind spot just to delude you into being
relaxed...even though the HOLE in your sight is still there.

If you were "real" the hole would be obvious in each eye.
There are 1000's more ways you fake-it through your day.

Lets consider starving children.....and an internet bill.
Let's list how much it cost to save one starving child
and compare it to Internet access charges.

Now DARE to tell me people on your left and right don't lie to themselves......
 
Last edited:
Upvote 0

toLiJC

Senior Member
Jun 18, 2012
3,041
227
✟35,877.00
Faith
Non-Denom
Marital Status
Private
You you really think that you do not lie to yourself?
Given that all around you do....it seems likely you are the same species.
Additionally, the process of faith is deluding oneself.

I could go through 1000's of examples where you delude yourself in order to survive.
For one...there is a huge blind spot in your field of vision.
You brain invents information to fill the blind spot just to delude you into being
relaxed...even though the HOLE in your sight is still there.

If you were "real" the hole would be obvious in each eye.
There are 1000's more ways you fake-it through your day.

Lets consider starving children.....and an internet bill.
Let's list how much it cost to save one starving child
and compare it to Internet access charges.

Now DARE to tell me people on your left and right don't lie to themselves......

in principle i do not (dare to) judge any human, and how to judge when even the Lord, Jesus Christ, said He does not judge any man who doesn't believe His words(John 12:47)?!, because the purpose is all the world, or at least as many people as possible, to be saved, but there were also many ostensibly well-intentioned people who became huffy, condemnatory, or deprecative when they heard the truth of the true God, as if His righteousness is intended to hurt people, not to comfort/benefit/help - most of them did so out of proud, zealotry, envy, fear or complexes, and (as i said above) i do not (dare to) judge them but also cannot promise them there will be no judgment on the part of God, however, He does not judge the non-infliction of evil, so let's hope and work that there be no guilty and punished

you say if i was/were "real", the hole would be obvious in each eye, but there were/are millions of true Saints and Holy Angels of God and Jesus Who (at least in spirit) were/are present at this world and tried/try to assist the humans to see the unrighteousness and not to do/not to participate in/not to pamper it, and here is how there is still a (lot of) unrighteousness in the world, because many believers/worshipers/clerics continue(d) to follow human doctrines/commandments of faith instead of adhering only to the God's

even if you sale all your property and give the money to the poor children, there will again be starving people in the world if the spiritual iniquity/lawlessness is not removed completely and forever, even if many give thousands of reasons either verbally or in writing, also, the funds could be exhausted, while the life in the true Lord God cannot decline/be over

Blessings
 
Last edited:
Upvote 0

SkyWriting

The Librarian
Site Supporter
Jan 10, 2010
37,279
8,500
Milwaukee
✟410,948.00
Country
United States
Faith
Non-Denom
Marital Status
Married
Politics
US-Others
you say if i was/were "real", the hole would be obvious in each eye, but there were/are millions of true Saints and Holy Angels of God and Jesus Who (at least in spirit) were/are present at this world and tried/try to assist the humans to see the unrighteousness and not to do/not to participate in/not to pamper it, and here is how there is still a (lot of) unrighteousness in the world, because many believers/worshipers/clerics continue(d) to follow human doctrines/commandments of faith instead of adhering only to the God's

I don't think so. No not one.

In a strictly human way, we can call somebody an because we think they may have the spirit of God working in them. But do not be deceived. Our ability to evaluate people and discern the true Spirit working in another is greatly impaired by our own faults and limitations.

For example, one heroin addict may consider the next heroin addict and Angel of God because they helped the other to find a new dealer.

Our judgment in impaired by our own sin condition.
 
Last edited:
Upvote 0
This site stays free and accessible to all because of donations from people like you.
Consider making a one-time or monthly donation. We appreciate your support!
- Dan Doughty and Team Christian Forums

toLiJC

Senior Member
Jun 18, 2012
3,041
227
✟35,877.00
Faith
Non-Denom
Marital Status
Private
I don't think so. No not one.

In a strictly human way, we can call somebody an because we think they may have the spirit of God working in them. But do not be deceived. Our ability to evaluate people and discern the true Spirit working in another is greatly impaired by our own faults and limitations.

For example, one heroin addict may consider the next heroin addict and Angel of God because they helped the other to find a new dealer.

Our judgment in impaired by our own sin condition.

why do you reduce all (the) people to the common denominator of your so-called "sin"?!, if someone is sinful this does not necessarily mean that all other human beings of the universe are also sinful like him/her, one of the most common heresies (for me) is exactly the excuse of some persons preferring or accustomed to sin that everyone is ostensibly sinful, in the sense that to sin is something ostensibly normal, when it is actually not, if the judgment of the human in principle cannot be unimpaired, then neither would the judgment of the true disciples of Jesus be correct and now all their writings placed in the Bible would be a lie and an illusion including the passages where they reveal/point out the (possible) mistakes/errors of (some) members of the Church, as well as the honoring of the true Saints and the Holy Angels of God and Jesus

Blessings
 
Upvote 0

SkyWriting

The Librarian
Site Supporter
Jan 10, 2010
37,279
8,500
Milwaukee
✟410,948.00
Country
United States
Faith
Non-Denom
Marital Status
Married
Politics
US-Others
why do you reduce all (the) people to the common denominator of your so-called "sin"?!, if someone is sinful this does not necessarily mean that all other human beings of the universe are also sinful like him/her, one of the most common heresies (for me) is exactly the excuse of some persons preferring or accustomed to sin that everyone is ostensibly sinful, in the sense that to sin is something ostensibly normal, when it is actually not, if the judgment of the human in principle cannot be unimpaired, then neither would the judgment of the true disciples of Jesus be correct and now all their writings placed in the Bible would be a lie and an illusion including the passages where they reveal/point out the (possible) mistakes/errors of (some) members of the Church, as well as the honoring of the true Saints and the Holy Angels of God and JesusBlessings

We are born into a sin condition. Like Goldfish being born, we are all wet.
Not one of us is born dry like Adam was. Even Jesus was born Wet.
His only difference was that He came from God. Still, because of the
process of being born into a Sin condition....He also had to die.
We all have to die because of Sin. The wages of Sin is death.

If you are going to die....it is ONLY because of your Sin condition.
God understood that we are all sinners...so while we were still sinners,
God sent His only Son to die for us. Your father may choose to die
for your crimes. But God sent His son to die for all our crimes.

Understanding our sin condition is central to accepting why Jesus
is the only one capable of taking our place at the sentencing.

You may have heard the phrase "Jesus died for us." That refers to
everybody. Even those you wrongly consider "Saints."

The passages you bring up are non-critical explanations about how people
should live after they have been saved.

Once you understand that God died for you, and you accept that,
then you should be grateful for what God has done and live more
towards a God focused life. But God is not here walking by your
side as He did Adam. You'll never be holding hands as Gods
buddy here on earth. But you can act respectfully here, in thanks.
 
Last edited:
Upvote 0

toLiJC

Senior Member
Jun 18, 2012
3,041
227
✟35,877.00
Faith
Non-Denom
Marital Status
Private
We are born into a sin condition. Like Goldfish being born, we are all wet.
Not one of us is born dry like Adam was. Even Jesus was born Wet.
His only difference was that He came from God. Still, because of the
process of being born into a Sin condition....He also had to die.
We all have to die because of Sin. The wages of Sin is death.

If you are going to die....it is ONLY because of your Sin condition.
God understood that we are all sinners...so while we were still sinners,
God sent His only Son to die for us. Your father may choose to die
for your crimes. But God sent His son to die for all our crimes.

Understanding our sin condition is central to accepting why Jesus
is the only one capable of taking our place at the sentencing.

You may have heard the phrase "Jesus died for us." That refers to
everybody. Even those you wrongly consider "Saints."

The passages you bring up are non-critical explanations about how people
should live after they have been saved.

Once you understand that God died for you, and you accept that,
then you should be grateful for what God has done and live more
towards a God focused life. But God is not here walking by your
side as He did Adam. You'll never be holding hands as Gods
buddy here on earth. But you can act respectfully here, in thanks.

i do not judge you, but this explanation that you present here is a misbelief at least because it is misleading, for how is it possible that the true God put/leave all humans (without exception) in a world where they all are born sinful from the wombs of their earthy mothers?!, is He unrighteous?!, let's see what His own opinion is:

Mark 10:13-16 "they brought young children to him, that he should touch them: and his disciples rebuked those that brought them. But when Jesus saw it, he was much displeased, and said unto them, Suffer the little children to come unto me, and forbid them not: for of such is the kingdom of God. Verily I say unto you, Whosoever shall not receive the kingdom of God as a little child, he shall not enter therein. And he took them up in his arms, put his hands upon them, and blessed them.",

Matthew 18:1-14 "At the same time came the disciples unto Jesus, saying, Who is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven? And Jesus called a little child unto him, and set him in the midst of them, And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven. Whosoever therefore shall humble himself as this little child, the same is greatest in the kingdom of heaven. And whoso shall receive one such little child in my name receiveth me. But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea. Woe unto the world because of offences! for it must needs be that offences come; but woe to that man by whom the offence cometh! Wherefore if thy hand or thy foot offend thee, cut them off, and cast them from thee: it is better for thee to enter into life halt or maimed, rather than having two hands or two feet to be cast into everlasting fire. And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: it is better for thee to enter into life with one eye, rather than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire. Take heed that ye despise not one of these little ones; for I say unto you, That in heaven their angels do always behold the face of my Father which is in heaven. For the Son of man is come to save that which was lost. How think ye? if a man have an hundred sheep, and one of them be gone astray, doth he not leave the ninety and nine, and goeth into the mountains, and seeketh that which is gone astray? And if so be that he find it, verily I say unto you, he rejoiceth more of that sheep, than of the ninety and nine which went not astray. Even so it is not the will of your Father which is in heaven, that one of these little ones should perish.",

John 9:1-7 "And as Jesus passed by, he saw a man which was blind from his birth. And his disciples asked him, saying, Master, who did sin, this man, or his parents, that he was born blind? Jesus answered, Neither hath this man sinned, nor his parents: but that the works of God should be made manifest in him. I must work the works of him that sent me, while it is day: the night cometh, when no man can work. As long as I am in the world, I am the light of the world. When he had thus spoken, he spat on the ground, and made clay of the spittle, and he anointed the eyes of the blind man with the clay, And said unto him, Go, wash in the pool of Siloam, (which is by interpretation, Sent.) He went his way therefore, and washed, and came seeing."

the idea is not to accuse everyone, neither to hold every person guilty, but to sanctify the God's creation which is mostly the human, every human is born innocent, that is why Jesus says that no one is born sinful - neither because of its own sin, nor because of any sin of its parents, but there was a danger, as there is still also now, of the influence of the sin, which mostly means that the spiritual iniquity/lawlessness is the main cause and source of all possible and hitherto existing evils, and that the spiritual people must be careful not to follow/support/serve wrong beliefs and wrong practices and activities in the faith, which are present as "eye" and "hand"/"food" by Jesus in the above quoted passage from Matthew 18, that is why He says there the spiritual people must renounce these things (in the 7th, 8th, 9th, 10th, 11th, 12th, 13th and 14th verses), but there were ever righteous people and true Saints, that's why it is written:

Matthew 9:10-13 "And it came to pass, as Jesus sat at meat in the house, behold, many publicans and sinners came and sat down with him and his disciples. And when the Pharisees saw it, they said unto his disciples, Why eateth your Master with publicans and sinners? But when Jesus heard that, he said unto them, They that be whole need not a physician, but they that are sick. But go ye and learn what that meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice: for I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance."

because if there were no righteous people, then Jesus would have said that all people are sinners, but He said: "I have come not to call the righteous, but to call the sinners to repentance", which means there have always been righteous people, even during the time before the New Testament, of course the sacrifice of the cross of the Lord, Jesus Christ, is very important, because there would be no so great(er) freedom for the believers (who do not deny the Son) to do good/righteousness now without it, therefore He fully deserve to be honored, glorified, believed and served, but nevertheless these things (about the sacrifice/cross of the Lord Jesus) are the basic education in the faith, which means it would be right to accentuate it if there were some beginners in the faith here at us who do not object to receive it, because the true Lord God does not want His sacrifice/cross to be made (out) forced as a belief or too popped, that is why the keeping of the commandments of God is more/most important in the faith (1 John 5, and 1 Corinthians 7:19)

Blessings
 
Upvote 0

SkyWriting

The Librarian
Site Supporter
Jan 10, 2010
37,279
8,500
Milwaukee
✟410,948.00
Country
United States
Faith
Non-Denom
Marital Status
Married
Politics
US-Others
" Whosoever shall not receive the kingdom of God as a little child, he shall not enter therein. And he took them up in his arms, put his hands upon them, and blessed them.",

" And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven.

" And his disciples asked him, saying, Master, who did sin, this man, or his parents, that he was born blind? Jesus answered, Neither hath this man sinned, nor his parents: but that the works of God should be made manifest in him. I must work the works of him that sent me, while it is day: the night cometh, when no man can work.

In these additional passages you find what you need to understand the former passages.


1 Peter 1:23 For you have been born again, not of perishable seed, but of imperishable,
through the living and enduring word of God.


This passage explains you are born to die....which is not what God intended.
I mentioned this before.....if you think you are going to die....then you are broken and in need of God's help.

6"That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
7"Do not be amazed that I said to you, 'You must be born again.'

This passage repeats that you are born of the flesh.....not as God can use you.


3Jesus answered and said to him, "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the kingdom of God."
4Nicodemus said to Him, "How can a man be born when he is old? He cannot enter a second time into his mother's womb and be born, can he?"

This passage directly explains that the birth is not a passage to God.


3Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who according to His great mercy has caused us to be born again to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,
4to obtain an inheritance which is imperishable and undefiled and will not fade away, reserved in heaven for you,

This passage explains that the first birth does not contain the inheritance we seek.
 
Upvote 0

Straightshot

Member
Feb 13, 2015
4,742
295
56
✟16,234.00
Faith
Christian
To the OP

Man's view from a scientific methodology has no purpose, but just to attempt to explain human existence and the surrounding environment

There is only one source for the explanation of the purpose for a man .... all others are dead ended

Here are some parts from the source [Romans 8; 1 Corinthians 15:20-28; Revelation 21]
 
Upvote 0
This site stays free and accessible to all because of donations from people like you.
Consider making a one-time or monthly donation. We appreciate your support!
- Dan Doughty and Team Christian Forums

toLiJC

Senior Member
Jun 18, 2012
3,041
227
✟35,877.00
Faith
Non-Denom
Marital Status
Private
In these additional passages you find what you need to understand the former passages.


1 Peter 1:23 For you have been born again, not of perishable seed, but of imperishable,
through the living and enduring word of God.


This passage explains you are born to die....which is not what God intended.
I mentioned this before.....if you think you are going to die....then you are broken and in need of God's help.

6"That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
7"Do not be amazed that I said to you, 'You must be born again.'

This passage repeats that you are born of the flesh.....not as God can use you.


3Jesus answered and said to him, "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the kingdom of God."
4Nicodemus said to Him, "How can a man be born when he is old? He cannot enter a second time into his mother's womb and be born, can he?"

This passage directly explains that the birth is not a passage to God.


3Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who according to His great mercy has caused us to be born again to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,
4to obtain an inheritance which is imperishable and undefiled and will not fade away, reserved in heaven for you,

This passage explains that the first birth does not contain the inheritance we seek.

man, you maybe do not understand the true meaning of the biblical expression "born again", it is related to the so-called "eternal judgment"(Hebrews 6:2) whose doctrine is explained mostly in the book "Ecclesiastes", but, to be brief, the biblical expression "born again" is explained briefly and clearly in Revelation 22:11, in short, if a man commits unrighteousness in this eternity, the same may continue to commit unrighteousness even in the previous eternity, and so on, that is why the biblical expression "to be born again" means to work on the side of the righteousness even if there is a need of self-forcing(Matthew 11:12-15), because this is the only reliable way to continue to do righteousness also in the next eternity(-ies), because, in case you still are not aware of the doctrine of eternal judgment, it is about the fact that the eternity is both unending(perpetual) and periodic(al)(with a beginning and an end), and the soul (whichever it is) may be born again during many subsequent eternities, because the eternity is actually something like a constantly revolving wheel which makes revolutions(full rotations) about its axis, i.e. there is a beginning and an end, but there is always a new beginning after each end, so the eternity is both unending and periodic(al), and for that reason the soul (whichever it is) may be born again either as doing righteousness or as committing unrighteousness - depending on what it does now(in the present eternity)...

Blessings
 
Upvote 0

SkyWriting

The Librarian
Site Supporter
Jan 10, 2010
37,279
8,500
Milwaukee
✟410,948.00
Country
United States
Faith
Non-Denom
Marital Status
Married
Politics
US-Others
man, you maybe do not understand the true meaning of the biblical expression "born again", it is related to the so-called "eternal judgment"(Hebrews 6:2) whose doctrine is explained mostly in the book "Ecclesiastes", but, to be brief, the biblical expression "born again" is explained briefly and clearly in Revelation 22:11, in short, if a man commits unrighteousness in this eternity, the same may continue to commit unrighteousness even in the previous eternity, and so on, that is why the biblical expression "to be born again" means to work on the side of the righteousness even if there is a need of self-forcing(Matthew 11:12-15), because this is the only reliable way to continue to do righteousness also in the next eternity(-ies), because, in case you still are not aware of the doctrine of eternal judgment, it is about the fact that the eternity is both unending(perpetual) and periodic(al)(with a beginning and an end), and the soul (whichever it is) may be born again during many subsequent eternities, because the eternity is actually something like a constantly revolving wheel which makes revolutions(full rotations) about its axis, i.e. there is a beginning and an end, but there is always a new beginning after each end, so the eternity is both unending and periodic(al), and for that reason the soul (whichever it is) may be born again either as doing righteousness or as committing unrighteousness - depending on what it does now(in the present eternity)...

Blessings

No, none of those passages match the ones that include the phrase 'Born Again."
That wasn't even a half hearted try.

http://biblehub.net/search.php?q=+"born+again"

The process of understanding any particular passage is context, context, context.

First you read a passage in the context of the passages to it's left and right. Then in the context of the book it is in. Then in the context of the entire collection of books.

So let's add ONE line to see if children are born Holy.

23for you have been born again not of seed which is perishable but imperishable, that is, through the living and enduring word of God.24For, "ALL FLESH IS LIKE GRASS, AND ALL ITS GLORY LIKE THE FLOWER OF GRASS. THE GRASS WITHERS, AND THE FLOWER FALLS OFF"

As I said....if you expect to die....then you are not divine.
 
Last edited:
Upvote 0

toLiJC

Senior Member
Jun 18, 2012
3,041
227
✟35,877.00
Faith
Non-Denom
Marital Status
Private
No, none of those passages match the ones that include the phrase 'Born Again."
That wasn't even a half hearted try.

http://biblehub.net/search.php?q=+"born+again"

there is also another meaning of John 3:3-8, and it is the fact that no one can be a true spiritual servant of the true Lord God if it does not exercise the faith right(ly) enough, that is why Jesus said: "Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God... Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.", the "kingdom of God" is the spiritual service(ministry) to God, while "to be born again" means to become a true spiritual servant of God, because the "kingdom of God" in this case is that area of the Spiritual which is of the true spiritual servants of the true Lord God

the other meaning of "be born again" (that was explained in my previous post) is based on the entire doctrine of eternal judgment, and in general all the God's Word written in the biblical scriptures is based on the same doctrine(of eternal judgment), but of course there are things that can be understood right(ly) only through the right faith, because for example the doctrine of eternal judgment is everywhere in the Bible, but in different words in different places, for example read Ecclesiastes, Jeremiah 17:10, Matthew 6:34 and 7:1-12, Galatians 6:7-10, and Revelation 22:11-13, and you will see how all these verses/passages explain the doctrine of eternal judgment in different words

Blessings
 
Upvote 0

miamited

Ted
Site Supporter
Oct 4, 2010
13,243
6,313
Seneca SC
✟705,807.00
Country
United States
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Married
What is the scientific reason life exists, or what scientific laws have "pushed" life into existence, on this one planet?

Hi SW,

I'm just jumping in here. This thread has titillated my thoughts for some time, though I've never responded to it.

What I believe:

There is no 'scientific' purpose or cause for life. It's all about God.

God bless you.
In Christ, Ted
 
Upvote 0
This site stays free and accessible to all because of donations from people like you.
Consider making a one-time or monthly donation. We appreciate your support!
- Dan Doughty and Team Christian Forums