What are the Demonic Doctrines warned of in Timothy ?

Blades · Aug 3, 2015

As readers and believers in Gods Word, should we not seek to identify the Demonic Doctrines warned of in Timothy
1 Timothy 4

1But the Spirit saith expressly, that in later times some shall fall away from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits and doctrines of demons,2 through the hypocrisy of men that speak lies, branded in their own conscience as with a hot iron;
I invite all members of CF to have input here in helping to identify them.

Example..
I believe, that the Doctrine of man having Free Will, as in making a Free will descision to accept or reject Christ Jesus as your Personal Saviour, is a Demonic Lie....why ?

This is why...
John 6 .44
"No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws them, and I will raise them up at the last day

As you can see the Doctrine of Free Will contradicts the Word of God, especially when we look at the meaning of the Word Draw...to Drag, that does not sound very free or willing does it....and we know for sure that God is not the Liar here, does anybody else want to show examples ?

LoveofTruth · Aug 3, 2015

Blades said:
As readers and believers in Gods Word, should we not seek to identify the Demonic Doctrines warned of in Timothy
1 Timothy 4

1But the Spirit saith expressly, that in later times some shall fall away from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits and doctrines of demons,2 through the hypocrisy of men that speak lies, branded in their own conscience as with a hot iron;
I invite all members of CF to have input here in helping to identify them.

Example..
I believe, that the Doctrine of man having Free Will, as in making a Free will descision to accept or reject Christ Jesus as your Personal Saviour, is a Demonic Lie....why ?

This is why...
John 6 .44
"No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws them, and I will raise them up at the last day

As you can see the Doctrine of Free Will contradicts the Word of God, especially when we look at the meaning of the Word Draw...to Drag, that does not sound very free or willing does it....and we know for sure that God is not the Liar here, does anybody else want to show examples ?

What?, you are in great error my friend,

"
Ezra 7:13
I make a decree, that all they of the people of Israel, and of his priests and Levites, in my realm, which are minded of their own freewill to go up to Jerusalem, go with thee.

"and for all his freewill offerings, which they will offer unto the Lord for a burnt offering;"( L:eviticus 22;18 KJV)

"and beside all your freewill offerings"( Leviticus 23;38 KJV)

"
Exodus 35:5
Take ye from among you an offering unto the Lord: whosoever is of a willing heart,"

Ezra 7:26
And whosoever will not do the law of thy God, and the law of the king, let judgment be executed speedily upon him, whether it be unto death, or to banishment, or to confiscation of goods, or to imprisonment."

Matthew 10:33
But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven." And God cannot deny himself and he tempteth no man, and Christ is not the minister of sin."

Matthew 12:50
For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother."

Luke 6:47
Whosoever cometh to me, and heareth my sayings, and doeth them, I will shew you to whom he is like:"

Mark 8:34
And when he had called the people unto him with his disciples also, he said unto them, Whosoever will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me." Not be draged

and as to your other words,

"
John 6 .44
"No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws them, and I will raise them up at the last day...As you can see the Doctrine of Free Will contradicts the Word of God, especially when we look at the meaning of the Word Draw...to Drag, that does not sound very free or willing does it."

John 12:32
And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me."

and Jesus is the true Light that lighteth every man that cometh int the world John 1:9, and by this Light he convicts all and draws them and His word is in all men Hebrews 4:12,13 and the parable of the seed and the soils.

Acts 17:30
And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:"

Acts 20:21
Testifying both to the Jews, and also to the Greeks, repentance toward God, and faith toward our Lord Jesus Christ."

all of them included.

Blades · Aug 3, 2015

LoveofTruth said:
What?, you are in great error my friend,

"
Ezra 7:13
I make a decree, that all they of the people of Israel, and of his priests and Levites, in my realm, which are minded of their own freewill to go up to Jerusalem, go with thee.

"and for all his freewill offerings, which they will offer unto the Lord for a burnt offering;"( L:eviticus 22;18 KJV)

"and beside all your freewill offerings"( Leviticus 23;38 KJV)

"
Exodus 35:5
Take ye from among you an offering unto the Lord: whosoever is of a willing heart,"

Ezra 7:26
And whosoever will not do the law of thy God, and the law of the king, let judgment be executed speedily upon him, whether it be unto death, or to banishment, or to confiscation of goods, or to imprisonment."

Matthew 10:33
But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven." And God cannot deny himself and he tempteth no man, and Christ is not the minister of sin."

Matthew 12:50
For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother."

Luke 6:47
Whosoever cometh to me, and heareth my sayings, and doeth them, I will shew you to whom he is like:"

Mark 8:34
And when he had called the people unto him with his disciples also, he said unto them, Whosoever will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me." Not be draged

and as to your other words,

"
John 6 .44
"No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws them, and I will raise them up at the last day...As you can see the Doctrine of Free Will contradicts the Word of God, especially when we look at the meaning of the Word Draw...to Drag, that does not sound very free or willing does it."

John 12:32
And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me."

and Jesus is the true Light that lighteth every man that cometh int the world John 1:9, and by this Light he convicts all and draws them and His word is in all men Hebrews 4:12,13 and the parable of the seed and the soils.

Acts 17:30
And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:"

Acts 20:21
Testifying both to the Jews, and also to the Greeks, repentance toward God, and faith toward our Lord Jesus Christ."

all of them included.

Blades · Aug 3, 2015

stand on the Word out of the mouth of Jesus Christ Alone...
No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws them, and I will raise them up at the last day
No one means exactly that.
You can post all the Scripture you like of God demonstarting how he got his way by making people an offer they could not refuse it does not change the Declaration out of the mouth of Jesus

Tigger45 · Aug 3, 2015

I see the LDS as having doctrines of demons & worshiping a false Godhead.

Blades · Aug 3, 2015

Can you expand on that Tigger 45 please....please excuse my ignorance of what LDS is or are, also where possible please show scripture to support your view.

James Is Back · Aug 3, 2015

Blades said:
Can you expand on that Tigger 45 please....please excuse my ignorance of what LDS is or are, also where possible please show scripture to support your view.

LDS = Latter Day Saints or Mormons.

Soyeong · Aug 4, 2015

James Is Back said:
LDS = Latter Day Saints or Mormons.

LDS are based on the teachings of Ellen White, not Joseph Smith.

James Is Back · Aug 4, 2015

Soyeong said:
LDS are based on the teachings of Ellen White, not Joseph Smith.

Ellen White was the founder of the SDA(Seventh Day Adventist)church not the LDS.

Soyeong · Aug 4, 2015

James Is Back said:
Ellen White was the founder of the SDA(Seventh Day Adventist)church not the LDS.

You are right, my mistake.

Tigger45 · Aug 4, 2015

Blades said:
Can you expand on that Tigger 45 please....please excuse my ignorance of what LDS is or are, also where possible please show scripture to support your view.

First I'd like to add I'm only addressing Mormonism and not Mormons as persons. They are just regular folk like the rest of us but they are following a false gospel, Godhead and specially a false Christ.

Mormonism start with a young man named Joseph Smith. He tells of wanting to know which is the correct church and goes into the woods and prayers about it. Now he says and 'angel' appears to him in his first accounting of this experience (take into account this first visits gets changed a couple of more times as time goes on to that he say two figures one being god the father and Jesus) and that the Lord tells him "all" religions were an abomination to him and a new religion is born. Keep in mind many other encounters within Mormonism get changed as well over time seemingly trying to backtrack and correct theological errors along the way.

Now scripture tells us

Galatians 1 Paul, an apostle (not from men, neither through man, but through Jesus Christ, and God the Father, who raised him from the dead), 2 and all the brethren that are with me, unto the churches of Galatia: 3 Grace to you and peace from God the Father, and our Lord Jesus Christ, 4 who gave himself for our sins, that he might deliver us out of this present evil world, according to the will of our God and Father: 5 to whom [be] the glory for ever and ever. Amen.

6 I marvel that ye are so quickly removing from him that called you in the grace of Christ unto a different gospel; 7 which is not another [gospel] only there are some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.

8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, should preach unto you any gospel other than that which we preached unto you, let him be anathema.

9 As we have said before, so say I now again, if any man preacheth unto you any gospel other than that which ye received, let him be anathema.

This is only how it starts and keeps perverting the gospel further and further as Mormonism is revealed. For one thing god the father in Mormonism has a physical body of flesh and bone and later he himself comes to earth and consummates with Mary the mother of Jesus!

Jaxxi · Aug 13, 2015

The Satanic Bible I have heard is the Holy Bible backwards but i dont know the truth to this but it could be demonic .

CarlNH · Aug 13, 2015

Calvinism is a great deception for the ages. A bad tree (John Calvin) cannot produce good fruit.

Blades · Aug 13, 2015

Hello all here is a Doctrine for you to mull over, for many years I used to hear Christian Folk on TV telling me that I had to come to Jesus of my own Free Will..... I did not relise until i read Scripture that each of us.... believers.... was chosen in him before the foundation of the World, so we do not actualy choose him, he chose us, before we existed in the Flesh, then we read in Scripture how Jesus said that nobody can come to him unless Drawn by the father who sent him, when you look up the meaning of the Word Draw it means to Drag, does not sound very willing does it.
I therfore believe that it safe to Conclude that the Doctrine of Man choosing of his own Free Will to come to/believe in Christ is a Lie and Demonic of Origin, so anybody have any clues to other Demonic Doctrines out there in Mainstream Chrstianity ?

CarlNH · Aug 14, 2015

Yes, there is another demonic doctrine that defends other demonic doctrines but you have to look closely to tell. It's a lack of love. This lack of love is a result of no foundation in Christ, only an intellectual thought process that looks swell on paper and tickles the ears. Proof of this is found in the life of the man who wrote it, John Calvin, who killed those who did not follow his doctrine. You can find the same spirit today in a Muslim group called IS.

Dave-W · Aug 14, 2015

James Is Back said:
LDS = Latter Day Saints or Mormons.

Agree. That whole "satan is transformed into an angel of light" thing with Smith's testimony.

Dave-W · Aug 14, 2015

Blades said:
Hello all here is a Doctrine for you to mull over, for many years I used to hear Christian Folk on TV telling me that I had to come to Jesus of my own Free Will..... I did not relise until i read Scripture that each of us.... believers.... was chosen in him before the foundation of the World, so we do not actualy choose him, he chose us, before we existed in the Flesh, then we read in Scripture how Jesus said that nobody can come to him unless Drawn by the father who sent him, when you look up the meaning of the Word Draw it means to Drag, does not sound very willing does it.
I therfore believe that it safe to Conclude that the Doctrine of Man choosing of his own Free Will to come to/believe in Christ is a Lie and Demonic of Origin, so anybody have any clues to other Demonic Doctrines out there in Mainstream Chrstianity ?

They are giving you only half of the truth. Men can choose to believe; but it will not get them anywhere if they are not being drawn at the moment. Now of course when we ARE being drawn, we have the choice to obey or to harden our selves against Him.

"Today if you hear His voice, do not harden your hearts...." Hebrews 3.7; 3.15; 4.7 quoting Psalm 95.7

I would include the calvinist doctrine that we have no choice one way or the other to be a demonic doctrine.
As John Wesley said: "We have our part and God has His part. We CANNOT do God's part and He WILL NOT do our part."

JCFantasy23 · Aug 14, 2015

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Blades said:
As readers and believers in Gods Word, should we not seek to identify the Demonic Doctrines warned of in Timothy
1 Timothy 4

1But the Spirit saith expressly, that in later times some shall fall away from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits and doctrines of demons,2 through the hypocrisy of men that speak lies, branded in their own conscience as with a hot iron;
I invite all members of CF to have input here in helping to identify them.

Example..
I believe, that the Doctrine of man having Free Will, as in making a Free will descision to accept or reject Christ Jesus as your Personal Saviour, is a Demonic Lie....why ?

This is why...
John 6 .44
"No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws them, and I will raise them up at the last day

As you can see the Doctrine of Free Will contradicts the Word of God, especially when we look at the meaning of the Word Draw...to Drag, that does not sound very free or willing does it....and we know for sure that God is not the Liar here, does anybody else want to show examples ?

I disagree it contradicts free will. God draws and wants a relationship, but people can reject or accept that. I don't see the scriptures you posted contradicting each other.

Doctrines of demons is pretty harsh stuff. Brings to mind wool pulled over Christians eyes and great atrocities we commit amongst ourselves to each other, perverting the good that is God. And certainly any doctrines that are emphasized, exaggerated, or just plain invented to fool others in order to line someones pockets.

Talking Mule · Sep 26, 2015

I am on the "Whosoever" will side....through the years....God kept drawing me at different times. I would try and fail...try and fail...try and fail. Then finally....I got it (Satan has opposed it) every step of the way. He still tries to oppose...but I am no longer ignorant of his devices. Thanks be to the Lord...He gets the glory. I have been a soul winner for several years now and have also been preaching (not pastor) and doing Bible Study (teaching spiritual warfare).

Talking Mule · Sep 26, 2015

I have personally observed God's "repeated" attempts to "draw" a loved one over 40 years....

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