On the Trinity vs Oneness

CGL1023 · Jul 30, 2015

I recently looked up both Trinity and Oneness on Google to learn about each a little. I started trinitarian without having consciously chosen; I was baptized and confirmed Lutheran. In reading my Google search returns, I read one individual's advice; it was that if one is not saved as a trinitarian, they are lost.

The question that came to me is: what is an unsaved person to do as they entertain accepting Jesus as Lord and Savior for the first time? Is how one views the Godhead important in being saved initially, presuming that corrections or adjustments can be made later on. One dilemma is that once saved, they may never wonder if they are thinking about the Godhead correctly. Somewhere along the way, one's understanding of the Godhead must finally matter though in my personal experience it doesn't seem to matter to to a huge majority of people.

At what point does it become important to have a correct understanding of the Godhead? Comments please.

ken777 · Jul 30, 2015

CGL1023 said:
I recently looked up both Trinity and Oneness on Google to learn about each a little. I started trinitarian without having consciously chosen; I was baptized and confirmed Lutheran. In reading my Google search returns, I read one individual's advice; it was that if one is not saved as a trinitarian, they are lost.

The question that came to me is: what is an unsaved person to do as they entertain accepting Jesus as Lord and Savior for the first time? Is how one views the Godhead important in being saved initially, presuming that corrections or adjustments can be made later on. One dilemma is that once saved, they may never wonder if they are thinking about the Godhead correctly. Somewhere along the way, one's understanding of the Godhead must finally matter though in my personal experience it doesn't seem to matter to to a huge majority of people.

At what point does it become important to have a correct understanding of the Godhead? Comments please.

I don't think it is an intellectual choice. I was raised Trinitarian but am now Oneness so I believe that is the right understanding, but a person can only believe what is revealed to him/her. The essential thing for our salvation, I believe, is that we recognize the divinity of Jesus Christ and accept the sufficiency of the atonement through His death & resurrection. Both Trinitarian & Oneness Christians believe that.

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CGL1023 · Jul 31, 2015

ken777 said:
I don't think it is an intellectual choice. I was raised Trinitarian but am now Oneness so I believe that is the right understanding, but a person can only believe what is revealed to him/her. The essential thing for our salvation, I believe, is that we recognize the divinity of Jesus Christ and accept the sufficiency of the atonement through His death & resurrection. Both Trinitarian & Oneness Christians believe that.

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Thanks for the reply both thoughtful and useful beyond this narrow issue.

justlookinla · Jul 31, 2015

CGL1023 said:
I recently looked up both Trinity and Oneness on Google to learn about each a little. I started trinitarian without having consciously chosen; I was baptized and confirmed Lutheran. In reading my Google search returns, I read one individual's advice; it was that if one is not saved as a trinitarian, they are lost.

The question that came to me is: what is an unsaved person to do as they entertain accepting Jesus as Lord and Savior for the first time? Is how one views the Godhead important in being saved initially, presuming that corrections or adjustments can be made later on. One dilemma is that once saved, they may never wonder if they are thinking about the Godhead correctly. Somewhere along the way, one's understanding of the Godhead must finally matter though in my personal experience it doesn't seem to matter to to a huge majority of people.

At what point does it become important to have a correct understanding of the Godhead? Comments please.

I was raised oneness and was part of the oneness sect for the first 40 years of my life. When I really started studying the bible, not just listening to sermons, I found that much of what I believed was error. Rejecting the oneness teaching wasn't a quick and emotionless decision, the transition was over a period of years....it was gradual. I now hold the position that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, the Lamb of God, but not God.

My personal opinion is that one must simply believe Jesus can, and will, save them.

justlookinla · Jul 31, 2015

Dup post

drstevej · Aug 3, 2015

CGL1023 said:
I recently looked up both Trinity and Oneness on Google to learn about each a little. I started trinitarian without having consciously chosen; I was baptized and confirmed Lutheran. In reading my Google search returns, I read one individual's advice; it was that if one is not saved as a trinitarian, they are lost.

The question that came to me is: what is an unsaved person to do as they entertain accepting Jesus as Lord and Savior for the first time? Is how one views the Godhead important in being saved initially, presuming that corrections or adjustments can be made later on. One dilemma is that once saved, they may never wonder if they are thinking about the Godhead correctly. Somewhere along the way, one's understanding of the Godhead must finally matter though in my personal experience it doesn't seem to matter to to a huge majority of people.

At what point does it become important to have a correct understanding of the Godhead? Comments please.

The gospel focuses on what Jesus has done in dying in our place as the Lamb of God. 1 Cor 15:3-4.

3 For I delivered to you as of first importance what I also received, that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, and that He was buried, and that He was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures.

Who God is is essential to our worship. God desires us to worship Him in Spirit and truth. John 4:24.

Does this help?

dms1972 · Aug 14, 2015

The question that came to me is: what is an unsaved person to do as they entertain accepting Jesus as Lord and Savior for the first time? Is how one views the Godhead important in being saved initially, presuming that corrections or adjustments can be made later on. One dilemma is that once saved, they may never wonder if they are thinking about the Godhead correctly. Somewhere along the way, one's understanding of the Godhead must finally matter though in my personal experience it doesn't seem to matter to to a huge majority of people.

At what point does it become important to have a correct understanding of the Godhead? Comments please.

Good question, To answer it is necessary to ask another "What is salvation?"

sahjimira · Sep 21, 2015

Is it ok to believe that Jesus is just the son of God and not God Himself? I have JW friends who believe that. Is the Holy Spirit an aspect of God or God Himself? I believe the Father, Son and Holy Spirit r one in the same. Hard to explain. Does it make sense?

justlookinla · Sep 21, 2015

sahjimira said:
Is it ok to believe that Jesus is just the son of God and not God Himself? I have JW friends who believe that. Is the Holy Spirit an aspect of God or God Himself? I believe the Father, Son and Holy Spirit r one in the same. Hard to explain. Does it make sense?

I'd not say that Jesus is 'just' the Son of God, He's much more than that. But He's not God.

Mrs.PGL · Dec 15, 2015

– Titus 2: 13 waiting for our blessed hope, the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ,

Mrs.PGL · Dec 15, 2015

justlookinla said:
I'd not say that Jesus is 'just' the Son of God, He's much more than that. But He's not God.

You may be interested in reading John 1:1-10, or see my post above. blessings.

justlookinla · Dec 15, 2015

Mrs.PGL said:
You may be interested in reading John 1:1-10, or see my post above. blessings.

I've read John 1:1-10.

Mrs.PGL · Dec 15, 2015

justlookinla said:
I've read John 1:1-10.

Did the post above, a quote from Paul help you?

justlookinla · Dec 15, 2015

Mrs.PGL said:
Did the post above, a quote from Paul help you?

Help me what? And wasn't that from John?

Mrs.PGL · Dec 15, 2015

justlookinla said:
Help me what? And wasn't that from John?

I was hoping to show you that Jesus is God. The post above is from Titus, and it is what Paul wrote. The scripture I suggested is telling you that Jesus is God. Hope it helped you.

justlookinla · Dec 15, 2015

Mrs.PGL said:
I was hoping to show you that Jesus is God. The post above is from Titus, and it is what Paul wrote. The scripture I suggested is telling you that Jesus is God. Hope it helped you.

How does the scripture indicate that Jesus is God? And John wrote John.

Mrs.PGL · Dec 15, 2015

justlookinla said:
How does the scripture indicate that Jesus is God? And John wrote John.

Paul clearly states that Jesus is God in Titus 2:13 - "....Titus 2: 13 waiting for our blessed hope, the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ..." Our great God and Savior.........
John 1: "1 In the beginning was the Word,and the Word was with God,and the Word was God2 He was with God in the beginning...."
They both clearly identify Jesus as God.

justlookinla · Dec 15, 2015

Mrs.PGL said:
Paul clearly states that Jesus is God in Titus 2:13 - "....Titus 2: 13 waiting for our blessed hope, the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ..." Our great God and Savior.........
John 1: "1 In the beginning was the Word,and the Word was with God,and the Word was God2 He was with God in the beginning...."
They both clearly identify Jesus as God.

Actually, Ttus 2:13 reads....

Tit 2:13 Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;

Concerning John 1, was God with God?

Isaiah55:6 · Dec 15, 2015

justlookinla said:
How does the scripture indicate that Jesus is God? And John wrote John.

Denying the deity of Christ is to deny an essential of Christianity. If you deny the deity of Christ you are not a Christian.

(John 1:1) In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, AND THE WORD WAS GOD.
(John 1:14) THE WORD BECAME FLESH and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the one and only Son, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.

(Exo 3:14) God said to Moses, "I AM WHO I AM. This is what you are to say to the Israelites: 'I AM has sent me to you.'"
(John 8:58) "Very truly I tell you," Jesus answered, "before Abraham was born, I am!"

(1 John 10:33) "We are not stoning you for any good work," they replied, "but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God."

(Phil 2:6) Who, being in very nature God, did not consider equality with God something to be used to his own advantage;

justlookinla · Dec 15, 2015

Isaiah55:6 said:
Denying the deity of Christ is to deny an essential of Christianity. If you deny the deity of Christ you are not a Christian.

Do you have scriptural support for your accusation?

(John 1:1) In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, AND THE WORD WAS GOD.
(John 1:14) THE WORD BECAME FLESH and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the one and only Son, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.

God was with God?

(Exo 3:14) God said to Moses, "I AM WHO I AM. This is what you are to say to the Israelites: 'I AM has sent me to you.'"
(John 8:58) "Very truly I tell you," Jesus answered, "before Abraham was born, I am!"

Of course Jesus existed before Abraham.

(1 John 10:33) "We are not stoning you for any good work," they replied, "but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God."

Would you please identify who was speaking in the verse?

(Phil 2:6) Who, being in very nature God, did not consider equality with God something to be used to his own advantage;

God was equal with Himself?

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