RAPTURE***Who is the bride

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So when the 1Cor.15 event happens, who is the bride that meets the Lord in the air?
actually the raptured saints are not the married Bride, they are the Bride going to the wedding. The Bride is a metaphor for the whole world purified, married to Christ.

The parables of the virgins explains this.

The ten virgins are the divided world, the church in two camps. One camp has the spirit (lamps) but one lets the spirit in them die out, they are lost in darkness. The coming of the bridegroom the wedding banquet is the 2nd coming, the wedding banquet is the millennial reign. The 5 foolish virgins are the mortal world which is not raptured, they are "left behind".

The banquet is a celebration of marriage, not the marriage itself.
 
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No. I am not telling you it is 1 day.

The prophet Zechariah is telling you it is 1 day.



Zec 14:7 But it shall be one day which shall be known to the LORD, not day, nor night: but it shall come to pass, that at evening time it shall be light.

One= 1

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That one day was probably the day (nighttime) Christ prayed at the foot of Mt of Olives, creating the valley of forgiveness his people would flee to. It has happened. Later that same day he died on the cross, and an solar eclipse did occur

The city in mind here is the same city/woman of Revelation 12 & 22.

Good background the subject here:
http://www.theopenscroll.com/getholive.htm
A good thread at Bibleforums.org just recently, here:
http://bibleforums.org/showthread.php/263640-Zechariah-14-16?p=3239652#post3239652
 
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"No. I am not telling you it is 1 day."


Yes you are

The prophets do not agree with you .... they foretell of a day within which many events will take place over a period of time

I think you must know this, but you are not willing to change your post-tribulation dogma

No honest man can Read Zechariah alone and tell that all of what the prophet details will take place in one day .... neither do any of the others say what you insist upon

In fact neither does the Lord agree with you .... your are way off of the chart
 
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That one day was probably the day (nighttime) Christ prayed at the foot of Mt of Olives, creating the valley of forgiveness his people would flee to. It has happened. Later that same day he died on the cross, and an solar eclipse did occur

Are you going to tell me that I am now living in the New Heavens and the New Earth?
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Are you going to tell me that I am now living in the New Heavens and the New Earth?
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The city goes through a period of captivity, followed by regeneration, followed by glorification.

We are still in the captivity stage.

The woman of Revelation 12 (the church) actually doesn't have a city to live in right now, her home is the celestial city (citizenship in heaven) hence, she is in the wilderness of the spirit, nourished by the two witnesses. The wicked sister is currently operating the city, with help from the dragon and the ten kings (the rulers of this present world).
 
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The city goes through a period of captivity, followed by regeneration, followed by glorification.

We are still in the captivity stage.

The woman of Revelation 12 (the church) actually doesn't have a city to live in right now, her home is the celestial city (citizenship in heaven) hence, she is in the wilderness of the spirit, nourished by the two witnesses. The wicked sister is currently operating the city, with help from the dragon and the ten kings (the rulers of this present world).

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Seems the Day of the Lord will last one year

ISAIAH 34 [2] For the indignation of the LORD is upon all nations, and his fury upon all their armies: he hath utterly destroyed them, he hath delivered them to the slaughter.[3] Their slain also shall be cast out, and their stink shall come up out of their carcases, and the mountains shall be melted with their blood.[4] And all the host of heaven shall be dissolved, and the heavens shall be rolled together as a scroll: and all their host shall fall down, as the leaf falleth off from the vine, and as a falling fig from the fig tree. [8] For it is THE DAY OF THE LORD'S VENGEANCE, and the YEAR OF RECOMPENCES for the controversy of Zion.

The day of the Lord’s vengeance = the year of recompences for the controversy of Zion.

ISAIAH 63 [1]Who is this that cometh from Edom, with dyed garments from Bozrah? this that is glorious in his apparel, travelling in the greatness of his strength? I that speak in righteousness, mighty to save. [2] Wherefore art thou red in thine apparel, and thy garments like him that treadeth in the winefat? [3] I have trodden the winepress alone; and of the people there was none with me: for I will tread them in mine anger, and trample them in my fury; and their blood shall be sprinkled upon my garments, and I will stain all my raiment. [4] For THE DAY OF VENGEANCE is in mine heart, and THE YEAR OF MY REDEEMED IS COME.

For the day of vengeance is in mine heart, and the year of my redeemed is come.

ISAIAH 61 [1] The Spirit of the Lord God is upon me; because the Lord hath anointed me to preach good tidings unto the meek; he hath sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives, and the opening of the prison to them that are bound; [2] TO PROCLAIM THE ACCEPTABLE YEAR OF THE LORD, AND THE DAY OF VENGEANCE OF OUR GOD; to comfort all that mourn; [3] To appoint unto them that mourn in Zion, to give unto them beauty for ashes, the oil of joy for mourning, the garment of praise for the spirit of heaviness; that they might be called trees of righteousness, the planting of the Lord, that he might be glorified.

Acceptable year

JEREMIAH 48 [44] He that fleeth from the fear shall fall into the pit; and he that getteth up out of the pit shall be taken in the snare: for I will bring upon it, even upon Moab, the YEAR OF THEIR VISITATION, saith the Lord. [45] They that fled stood under the shadow of Heshbon because of the force: but a fire shall come forth out of Heshbon, and a flame from the midst of Sihon, and shall devour the corner of Moab, and the crown of the head of the tumultuous ones. [46] Woe be unto thee, O Moab! the people of Chemosh perisheth: for thy sons are taken captives, and thy daughters captives. [47] Yet will I bring again the captivity of Moab IN THE LATTER DAYS, saith the Lord. Thus far is the judgment of Moab.

Year of visitation

JEREMIAH 23 [9] Mine heart within me is broken because of the prophets; all my bones shake; I am like a drunken man, and like a man whom wine hath overcome, because of the Lord, and because of the words of his holiness. [10] For the land is full of adulterers; for because of swearing the land mourneth; the pleasant places of the wilderness are dried up, and their course is evil, and their force is not right. [11] For both prophet and priest are profane; yea, in my house have I found their wickedness, saith the Lord. [12] Wherefore their way shall be unto them as slippery ways in the darkness: they shall be driven on, and fall therein: for I will bring evil upon them, even the YEAR OF THEIR VISITATION, saith the Lord.

The Lord liveth, which brought up and which led the seed of the house of Israel out of the north country, and from all countries whither I had driven them ( Jer.23 v 5-8). This will be done in the twinkling of an eye. As for the bad guys “for I will bring evil upon them, EVEN THE YEAR OF THEIR VISITATION, saith the Lord”.
 
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Seems the Day of the Lord will last one year

Or is this referring to the year in which it happens, as in the Jubilee year?

There is an excellent book, which I consider to be one of the most powerful little books I have ever read.
Gideon, a member of this forum recommended it to me.
After I read it, I gave out a number of copies as Christmas presents.

The title is "The Atonement Clock" by Christian Gedge.

It proves that God is a mathematician.


I let a friend of mine, who is a deacon in his church and a mechanical engineer, borrow a copy.
He returned it last week.
His comment was... "Wow".




Luk 4:16 And he came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up: and, as his custom was, he went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and stood up for to read.

Luk 4:17 And there was delivered unto him the book of the prophet Esaias. And when he had opened the book, he found the place where it was written,

Luk 4:18 The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised,

Luk 4:19 To preach the acceptable year of the Lord. The Jubilee year.

Luk 4:20 And he closed the book, and he gave it again to the minister, and sat down. And the eyes of all them that were in the synagogue were fastened on him.

Luk 4:21 And he began to say unto them, This day is this scripture fulfilled in your ears. He was and is the Jubilee.
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Or is this referring to the year in which it happens, as in the Jubilee year?

Luk 4:21
And he began to say unto them, This day is this scripture fulfilled in your ears. He was and is the Jubilee.
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No. Dont fit.

ISAIAH 34
[2] For the indignation of the LORD is upon all nations, and his fury upon all their armies: he hath utterly destroyed them, he hath delivered them to the slaughter.[3] Their slain also shall be cast out, and their stink shall come up out of their carcases, and the mountains shall be melted with their blood.[4] And all the host of heaven shall be dissolved, and the heavens shall be rolled together as a scroll: and all their host shall fall down, as the leaf falleth off from the vine, and as a falling fig from the fig tree. [8] For it is THE DAY OF THE LORD'S VENGEANCE, and the YEAR OF RECOMPENCES for the controversy of Zion.

Has nothing to do with Jubilee. It has all to do with His 2nd coming when He destroys the bad guys
 
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Has nothing to do with Jubilee. It has all to do with His 2nd coming when He destroys the bad guys

Well, since He is the Jubilee, it has something to do with it.

Do you think it will take the creator of the universe a whole year to make all things right?
 
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Well, since He is the Jubilee, it has something to do with it.

Do you think it will take the creator of the universe a whole year to make all things right?

Hes the Jubilee???? Ive heard people claim Hes the sabbath. Ya mean kinda like that?
 
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The timing of the so called rapture according to Job

1 THES. 4 [16] For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and THE DEAD IN CHRIST SHALL RISE FIRST: [17] Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. [18] Wherefore comfort one another with these words.

1COR.15 [51] Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but WE SHALL ALL BE CHANGED,[52] In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.[53] for this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.

Will Job be amoung the dead in Christ who will be “changed” at the 1Cor.15 event?

1 CORINTHIANS 10[1] Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all OUR FATHERS were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea; [2] And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea; [3] And did all eat the same spiritual meat; [4] And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they DRANK OF THAT SPIRITUAL ROCK that followed them: and THAT ROCK WAS CHRIST.

Yes, according to scripture

JOB 14 [10] But man dieth, and wasteth away: yea, man giveth up the ghost, and where is he?[11] As the waters fail from the sea, and the flood decayeth and drieth up:[12] So MAN LIETH DOWN, AND RISETH NOT: TILL THE HEAVENS BE NO MORE, they shall not awake, nor be raised out of their sleep.[13] O that thou wouldest hide me in the grave, that thou wouldest keep me secret, until thy wrath be past, that thou wouldest appoint me a set time, and remember me! [14] IF A MAN DIE, SHALL HE LIVE AGAIN? all the days of my appointed time will I WAIT, TILL MY CHANGE COME.

Job says after the heavens be no more, then shall his "change" come

2PET.3 [10] But THE DAY OF THE LORD WILL COME as a thief in the night; in the which THE HEAVENS SHALL PASS AWAY with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up

Job says his "change" will come when the heavens be no more. Above scripture tells us the heavens be no more at the coming of the Day of the Lord. Which occurs {according to scripture} after the great tribulation

ISAIAH 34 [2] For the indignation of the LORD is upon all nations, and his fury upon all their armies: he hath utterly destroyed them, he hath delivered them to the slaughter.[3] Their slain also shall be cast out, and their stink shall come up out of their carcases, and the mountains shall be melted with their blood.[4] And all the host of HEAVEN SHALL BE DISSOLVED, and the heavens shall be rolled together as a scroll: and all their host shall fall down, as the leaf falleth off from the vine, and as a falling fig from the fig tree. [8] For it is THE DAY OF THE LORD'S VENGEANCE, and the year of recompences for the controversy of Zion.

Old testament verification of the new
 
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Hes the Jubilee???? Ive heard people claim Hes the sabbath. Ya mean kinda like that?

Yes. Kind of...

Every 7th year was a year the land was to lay fallow and debts were to be forgiven.



Lev_25:4 But in the seventh year shall be a sabbath of rest unto the land, a sabbath for the LORD: thou shalt neither sow thy field, nor prune thy vineyard.

Israel was sent into the Babylonian captivity because they failed to let the land have it's Sabbath rest.



2Ch 36:20 And them that had escaped from the sword carried he away to Babylon; where they were servants to him and his sons until the reign of the kingdom of Persia:


2Ch 36:21 To fulfil the word of the LORD by the mouth of Jeremiah, until the land had enjoyed her sabbaths: for as long as she lay desolate she kept sabbath, to fulfil threescore and ten years.



During the captivity the land rested, just as God had commanded.

The Jubilee year was every 50th year.
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My comment

The Jewish feasts, holy days. etc should never be mixed and used with the visions of the prophets during this current age of the Lord's grace .... and particularly for attempting to predict the Lord's next intervention

Israel is in blindness as a national people and none of these things are significant to the believer in Jesus Christ

Only when the Lord establishes His millennial kingdom upon the earth after the coming tribulation will He recognize and employ these things after Israel turns and recognizes Him as the nation's Messiah and King
 
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It is also not about the rapture but how no man knows the day nor the hour as to when heaven and earth will pass away.

No one? The rapturist know. Or think they do. Just count 7 yrs after the rapture happens and there ya have it. The Day of the Lord.

2 PETER 3 [10] But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

Just one more scripture proving there will be no rapsure
 
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