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.. Or the end of the beginning....


After the presentation of the gifts, Paul in

Acts 21:19 “declared particularly what things God had wrought among the Gentiles by his ministry.”


This recital of facts must have brought joy to the hearts of all, even of those who had been doubting, the conviction that the blessing of heaven had accompanied his labors because as it says.

Acts 21:20 “When they heard it, they glorified the Lord.....”


They must have felt that the methods of labor pursued by the apostle bore the signet of Heaven. The liberal contributions lying before them added weight to the testimony of the apostle concerning the faithfulness of the new congregations established among the Gentiles.

The men who, while numbered among those who were in charge of the work at Jerusalem, had urged the now famous Jerusalem council rules of engagement with Gentiles, actually was creating a new problem, because they themselves were still held in bondage by Jewish customs and traditions that Peter spoke of after the vision, and that the work of the gospel had been greatly hindered by their failure to recognize that the wall of partition, the "emnity", between Jew and Gentile had been broken down by Yeshua both by His death and His conversations with both Peter and Paul.

The elders of Jerusalem, I think, missed a golden opportunity to drink the new wine in the new wineskin that Yeshua provided. They probably were more concerned about the reports coming in and the spirit of jealousy and prejudice rearing its ugly head. Instead of uniting in an effort to do justice to the truth revealed, they counselled Paul to placate Jews who were not even believers. Rather than fight this prejudice that Yeshua revealed in vision to Paul and Peter should not be, they chose instead to continue in the tradition of separation and prejudice.

Acts 21:20....Thou seest, brother,” they said, in response to his testimony, “how many thousands of Jews there are which believe; and they are all zealous of the law: and they are informed of thee, that thou teachest all the Jews which are among the Gentiles to forsake Moses, saying that they ought not to circumcise their children, neither to walk after the customs. What is it therefore? the multitude must needs come together: for they will hear that thou art come. Do therefore this that we say to thee: We have four men which have a vow on them; them take, and purify thyself with them, and be at charges with them, that they may shave their heads: and all may know that those things, whereof they were informed concerning thee, are nothing; but that thou thyself also walkest orderly, and keepest the law. As touching the Gentiles which believe, we have written and concluded that they observe no such thing, save only that they keep themselves from things offered to idols, and from blood, and from strangled, and from fornication.


The Jerusalem elders hoped that Paul, by following the course suggested, might give a decisive contradiction to the false reports concerning him to all those witnessing his behavior in Jerusalem. They assured him that the decision of the former council concerning the Gentile converts still held good.

But instead it did two things, it showed Paul to be a hypocrite, advising believers to behave one way, while behaving another way to appease those in Jerusalem. The leaders of the church in Jerusalem knew that by non-conformity to the ceremonial law, believers would bring upon themselves the hatred of the Jews and expose themselves to persecution, which is exactly what happened even though they followers of God's laws just not the traditions that voided the law.

The Sanhedrin was doing its utmost to hinder the progress of the gospel. Remember the separation of believers and Judaism had not yet occurred. Men were chosen by this body to follow up the apostles, especially Paul, and in every possible way to oppose their work just like Paul was before his conversion. Should the believers be condemned before the Sanhedrin as breakers of the law, they would suffer swift and severe punishment as apostates from the Jewish faith.

What I see as happening is that many of the Jews who had accepted the gospel still cherished a regard for the traditions and were only too willing to make unwise concessions, hoping thus to gain the confidence of their countrymen, to remove their prejudice, and to win them to faith in Yeshua as the world’s Redeemer, just like it is today among various factions of Messianic Judaism. It didn't work then and will not work now.

When we think of Paul’s great desire to be in harmony with his brethren, his tenderness toward the weak in the faith, his reverence for the apostles who had been with Yeshua, and for James, the brother of the Lord, and his purpose to become all things to all men so far as he could without sacrificing principle, when we think of all this, it is less surprising that he did what he did. But instead of accomplishing the desired object, his efforts for conciliation only precipitated the crisis, hastened his predicted sufferings, and resulted in separating him from his brethren, depriving congregations of believers a clear path, and brought about the ultimate separation of Jew and Gentile instead of as "one people" of believers strongly united under Yeshua.

People should not be afraid of a new thing. That is what happened. They were afraid. Yeshua's Judaism was one that encompassed all nations into one people. It will with or without the Jews even now more than ever as time grows short. That is what Yeshua will come to harvest.
 
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I'm not following the OP. It has a lot of stuff that doesn't seem to be related to the Council of Jerusalem. For example, except for James repeating the admonition to the Gentiles, I don't see what Acts 21 has to do with Acts 15. I'm probably just being slow on the uptake, and reading the OP too quickly.
 
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Some things have a short lifespan. It's like the united Israeli kingdom.

A golden epoch that swiftly vanished. Didn't even last 200 years. Just like the stay in the garden.

From the chronology, it appears Adam and Eve left the garden after having stayed a maximum of 120 years, the same amount of time the Davidic house ruled over the united 12 tribes.

Cain lived a long life, Abel was barely around. Purity comes and leaves quickly. Yeshua stayed on earth but a short while, the temples actually didn't stand for a very long time either.
 
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Maybe we should point out "traditions" and look for their value in light of scripture to see if they "void the Law of God". That way it is more tangible in our own lives where we have gotten spiritually lazy, relying on route, instead of in prayer in all our actions, "pray without ceasing"... and thus living a more vibrant life in Him.
 
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The men who, while numbered among those who were in charge of the work at Jerusalem, had urged the now famous Jerusalem council rules of engagement with Gentiles, actually was creating a new problem, because they themselves were still held in bondage by Jewish customs and traditions that Peter spoke of after the vision, and that the work of the gospel had been greatly hindered by their failure to recognize that the wall of partition, the "emnity", between Jew and Gentile had been broken down by Yeshua both by His death and His conversations with both Peter and Paul.

There's a difference between being in bondage to mad-made customs and traditions and the life-giving freedom that comes from being slaves to God's law by the leading of the Spirit.

Acts 21:20....Thou seest, brother,” they said, in response to his testimony, “how many thousands of Jews there are which believe; and they are all zealous of the law: and they are informed of thee, that thou teachest all the Jews which are among the Gentiles to forsake Moses, saying that they ought not to circumcise their children, neither to walk after the customs. What is it therefore? the multitude must needs come together: for they will hear that thou art come. Do therefore this that we say to thee: We have four men which have a vow on them; them take, and purify thyself with them, and be at charges with them, that they may shave their heads: and all may know that those things, whereof they were informed concerning thee, are nothing; but that thou thyself also walkest orderly, and keepest the law. As touching the Gentiles which believe, we have written and concluded that they observe no such thing, save only that they keep themselves from things offered to idols, and from blood, and from strangled, and from fornication.

The Jerusalem elders hoped that Paul, by following the course suggested, might give a decisive contradiction to the false reports concerning him to all those witnessing his behavior in Jerusalem. They assured him that the decision of the former council concerning the Gentile converts still held good.

But instead it did two things, it showed Paul to be a hypocrite, advising believers to behave one way, while behaving another way to appease those in Jerusalem. The leaders of the church in Jerusalem knew that by non-conformity to the ceremonial law, believers would bring upon themselves the hatred of the Jews and expose themselves to persecution, which is exactly what happened even though they followers of God's laws just not the traditions that voided the law.

It's funny how sticking to your theology causes you to malign Paul, especially after Paul called Peter out in Galatians 2 for doing the same thing, which would have made him an even bigger hypocrite. Paul was no hypocrite. The Jews became zealous for the law because they saw that Jesus was its goal and Paul saw it as a good thing. They wanted to disprove the rumor that Paul had been teaching to forsake Moses precisely because it was false.

When we think of Paul’s great desire to be in harmony with his brethren, his tenderness toward the weak in the faith, his reverence for the apostles who had been with Yeshua, and for James, the brother of the Lord, and his purpose to become all things to all men so far as he could without sacrificing principle, when we think of all this, it is less surprising that he did what he did. But instead of accomplishing the desired object, his efforts for conciliation only precipitated the crisis, hastened his predicted sufferings, and resulted in separating him from his brethren, depriving congregations of believers a clear path, and brought about the ultimate separation of Jew and Gentile instead of as "one people" of believers strongly united under Yeshua.

Paul was talking about giving up his rights for the sake of others, not about compromising the very message he came to preach to them. The separation came become they either didn't understand Paul's letter to the Romans or didn't take it to heart.
 
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Paul already revealed that keeping the feasts call three times a year was not in his dedication.

Paul was not perfect, nor was Peter. Faults and all, they both were the most dedicated believers of their generation. The compromise that occurred in Jerusalem came about because of the demands of those who didn't get the invitation of gentiles into the fold. As presented, there was established steps for those converting to the fold.

Yes, in the beginning of Paul's travels, he preached in the synagogues and anywhere else in spreading the message. He wanted the converts to join the local synagogues because they didn't see Yeshua's faith outside of Judaism. We here in Messianic Judaism don't either. While we shouldn't make the same mistake that they did back then and compromise our faith for a tradition that was exposed to both Peter and Paul as not of Yeshua's wishes, we need to examine more closely how the full acceptance should look like for Yeshua's believers. I see traditions on both sides of the fence that make void the Law of God. I see Jews and Gentiles become one people in Him. In order for this to happen, there has to be an attitude change regarding God's children obedience, condition of their spiritual health, and connection with God.
 
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Paul already revealed that keeping the feasts call three times a year was not in his dedication.

Paul kept God's Feasts a number of times throughout Acts and encourage the Colossians not to let anyone judge them for keeping them.

Paul was not perfect, nor was Peter. Faults and all, they both were the most dedicated believers of their generation. The compromise that occurred in Jerusalem came about because of the demands of those who didn't get the invitation of gentiles into the fold. As presented, there was established steps for those converting to the fold.

I agree that Paul was no perfect, but when your interpretation maligns him, you should pause to consider whether it is correct. The Jerusalem Council did not compromise, but upheld God's law. Very consistently man's laws are overruled while God's laws are upheld.

Yes, in the beginning of Paul's travels, he preached in the synagogues and anywhere else in spreading the message. He wanted the converts to join the local synagogues because they didn't see Yeshua's faith outside of Judaism. We here in Messianic Judaism don't either. While we shouldn't make the same mistake that they did back then and compromise our faith for a tradition that was exposed to both Peter and Paul as not of Yeshua's wishes, we need to examine more closely how the full acceptance should look like for Yeshua's believers. I see traditions on both sides of the fence that make void the Law of God. I see Jews and Gentiles become one people in Him. In order for this to happen, there has to be an attitude change regarding God's children obedience, condition of their spiritual health, and connection with God.

Paul never compromised with keeping Jewish traditions that were contrary to the law, but always upheld the law. The traditions that Paul taught were in accordance with the law.
 
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"the wall of partition, the "emnity", between Jew and Gentile had been broken down by Yeshua both by His death and His conversations with both Peter and Paul."

What wall of partition are you referring to ?
Is this something specific or generic ?

It was the man-made Jewish laws like the ones Peter mentioned in Acts 10:28 and/or the dividing wall in the Temple that prevented Jews and Gentiles from worshipping together. Instead of "breaking down the wall", it can also be translated as "loosing the hedge", which would refer to the practice of binding and loosing (Matthew 18:18), which refers to the practice of making rulings that allow or prohibit certain activities. So the prohibition against Jews meeting or associating with Gentiles was loosed both figuratively and literally.
 
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"the wall of partition, the "emnity", between Jew and Gentile had been broken down by Yeshua both by His death and His conversations with both Peter and Paul."

What wall of partition are you referring to ?
Is this something specific or generic ?

Figuratively, it is the wall between the inner court of the temple and the court of the gentiles. During second temple times, there were signs around the inner court saying any gentile going past that point would be killed.
http://www.icogsfg.org/midlwall.html
 
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Great point Pat34lee. This post reveals how the "emnity" is still alive and active in the minds of the Jews.
For example, inside of Israel, a gentile must keep the sabbath just as a Jew must. But outside of Israel, a gentile is not required to keep the sabbath, but a Jew still must.
So in answer to your question Hoshiyya...
"the wall of partition, the "emnity", between Jew and Gentile had been broken down by Yeshua both by His death and His conversations with both Peter and Paul."

What wall of partition are you referring to ?
Is this something specific or generic ?
One of the biggest traditional understanding among the Jews is the "wall of partition" that separates the Jew from the Gentile.

Act 10:28 And he said unto them, Ye know how that it is an unlawful thing for a man that is a Jew to keep company, or come unto one of another nation; but God hath shewed me that I should not call any man common or unclean.

Act 10:34 Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons: 35 But in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him.

This traditional thinking which Peter called "unlawful" where Jews considered other nations unclean or common and second class or as the Talmud referenced them as "pigs" has prevailed through the Jerusalem Council. The idea perpetrated by saying the minimum was all the was necessary or expected for Gentiles, like they were incapable of doing much more. It has been stated that Gentiles can't/shouldn't keep Sabbath perfectly here on the forum on more than one occasion. Really!! That attitude must go.

And so it is preached in Christianity that by the abrogation of the Mosaic institutes the "enmity" between Jew and Gentile is removed. They are reconciled, are "made one" (Ephesians 2:15, 16) which I think is wrong. It is wrong because "The carnal mind is enmity against God for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be. So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God." So I think this "law of commandments and ordinances" is traditions that were made through oral Torah to separate Jew from Gentile rather than the actual commandments of God. It may have served a purpose in the preservation of Judaism and the distinction of what is a Jew but it also created rifts with other nations.

It is true that once the "emnity" is removed Gentiles are Eph 2:19 ...... no longer strangers and sojourners, but you are fellow citizens with the saints and members of the household of God,... but we have to figure out what exactly is this "emnity" that separates Jew from Gentile, causes Gentiles to be strangers and sojourners, rather than fellow citizens. Once that reconciliation has occurred then we will truly be one people before God. Yeshua is said to have "abolished in his flesh the enmity," by His cross to have "slain the enmity," that is, the opposition between Jew and Gentile, creating in Himself "one new man,... making peace."
 
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Now consider how God has really always wanted things to happen from the beginning. It is written in Torah.

When I see (ger, "stranger") next to (guwr, "sojourns (among you)") in a verse, I believe it is a reference to believing Gentiles. The references to believing Gentiles include

Num 15:3 states that those who "make an offering by fire unto God, a burnt offering, or a sacrifice in performing a vow, or in a freewill offering, or in your solemn feasts, to make a sweet savour unto God" includes those who are believing Gentiles (15:14-16). Lev 24:22 states that the laws regulating behavior between men also applies to Gentiles. Lev 19:33,34 states that believing Gentiles should be considered equal to the native-born Israelite/Jew. Num 9:14 does state that the rules for keeping the Passover applies to believing Gentiles, and Ex 12:48,49 states that they can participate if they also take on the sign of the Covenant (circumcision).

Believing Gentiles can walk in the Way as outlined in His moedim (Num 15:3). Num 15:29 states that atonement for sin also apply to believing Gentiles. Ex 20:10, Lev 25:6, Deut 5:14, Is 56:6 states that keeping the sabbath and its blessings also applies to believing Gentiles, and believing Gentiles can stand in His assembly (Deu 29:11). Believing Gentiles will share in the same blessings (Deu 26:11). Deu 29:11 repeats the concept that God's Covenant also applies to the believing Gentile - all believing Gentiles throughout time (Deu 29:14,15).

So, let's summarize the concepts presented in all of the verses above. Torah applies to Gentiles. When they wish to approach God and show their love for Him. (Lev 17:8, Lev 18:26, Lev 22:18, Deu 31:12). When they wish to show their love for and interact with others in God's family. When they wish to be part of God's family & share in the blessings. When they wish to participate in the Passover and meet with Him in His moedim. When they wish to receive forgiveness for sins. When they wish to participate in the Sabbath, stand in God's assembly, and receiving the same blessings.

These points, found in Torah for the believing Gentile, are the essence of the healing message for the reconciliation of man with God (aka "Gospel")! To love God in obedience, to love our neighbors by being obedient to God, to become part of His family, to take Messiah's Passover blood upon ourselves as our personal Savior, and to walk in His Way, to receive forgiveness of sins, to participate in the eternal Sabbath, aka Heaven, and stand before Him, and receive the same blessings.

Lev 24:16, Num 9:13, Num 15:30,31 all state that unbelieving Gentiles - those who refused to acknowledge God and despises His Torah - was to be put to death. Those who claim they have His peace, but walk in opposition to His Torah, He will blot out (Deu 29:19,20).

In conclusion, I believe Torah clearly tells us that the reconciling message and Torah does apply to not only Jews but Gentiles, believers and unbelievers alike.
 
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I am of the persuasion that the One Law being referred to are the Noahide laws (Noah was the father of all the nations), not the laws of Sinai, which were given to the Jewish people.
You do know that Noahide Laws are the "tradition" emnity that God never put upon the nations of the world but the Jews would love to.
 
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This will be my last reply to you. You are not looking for answers, you are just parroting the MJAA mantra and it, again, lacks biblical support.

Many words in our language have changed meaning over time. Adoption today, for example, means an orphan being brought into a new home. But I can show both historically and biblically that adoption is being brought into a family to do the work of that family. I can show case history from the 3rd through late 5th century were a father or grandfather has to adopt his own son/grandson into the family business. We are adopted sons and daughters of God so that we can CONTINUE the work the Son began.

When the first English bibles were translated, the word gentile carried this meaning:

Webster's 1828:

GEN'TILE, n. [L. gentilis; from L. gens, nation, race; applied to pagans.]

In the scriptures, a pagan; a worshipper of false gods; any person not a Jew or a christian; a heathen. The Hebrews included in the term goim or nations, all the tribes of men who had not received the true faith,and were not circumcised. The christians translated goim by the L. gentes, and imitated the Jews in giving the name gentiles to all nations who were not Jews nor christians. In civil affairs, the denomination was given to all nations who were not Romans.


Now, here is the modern Online Webster's definition:

Gentile
1. often capitalized : a person of a non-Jewish nation or of non-Jewish faith; especially : a Christian as distinguished from a Jew
2. heathen, pagan


You are using the modern definition... not a Jew but it can be a Christian whereas when the word was first used in our bibles it couldn't mean Christian either. We have continued to use the word but the meaning has changed!

The nations AND their people that are NOT ISRAEL are goyim/ethnos.... and that CAN include an Israelite and even does in Scripture from time to time WHEN THEY ARE in that nation and not following God or His ways. This is why Paul writes this:

Eph 2:11 Wherefore remember, that you being IN TIME PAST Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands;
Eph 2:12 That at that time (IN THE PAST) you were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:
Eph 2:13 But now in Christ Jesus you who sometimes were far off are made near by the blood of Christ.

We IN THE PAST were gentiles, IN THE PAST were without hope, were aliens of the Commonwealth of Israel, were strangers to the covenants of promise, were without hope and were without God.

But that isn't the case NOW.....

Eph 2:18 For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father.
Eph 2:19 Now therefore you are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints (Israel), and of the household of God.

THAT is Scripture... we WERE aliens, we are NOW fellow citizens. We WERE gentiles we are now part of the Household of God. His House follows His rules... His Torah, and you and the MJAA are trying to take that away and replace it with a set of rules not even found in Scripture. I reject that and won't EVER accept it UNLESS somebody can show it in Scripture, which I already know they can't. This is like me asking somebody to show me Sabbath being moved to Sunday IN SCRIPTURE... it can't be done... neither can this! I WAS a gentile, I am NOW a child of God.
Well stated.
 
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Great point Pat34lee. This post reveals how the "emnity" is still alive and active in the minds of the Jews.

"For example, inside of Israel, a gentile must keep the sabbath just as a Jew must. But outside of Israel, a gentile is not required to keep the sabbath, but a Jew still must."

No, you're confusing man-made laws with God's laws again. All of God's people should obey God's laws, so God's laws is not the source of enmity, but rather it is man's laws, such as in Acts 10:28, that cause enmity. Those laws were in violation of God's law, which commanded His people to love Gentiles as themselves (Leviticus 19:34). The Sabbath specifically commands that the foreigner living among them is not to do any work either. You seem to be on the same page with this throughout the rest of your post, so it's not clear to me why you used keeping the Sabbath as an example of how enmity is still alive.
 
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I'm not following the OP. It has a lot of stuff that doesn't seem to be related to the Council of Jerusalem. For example, except for James repeating the admonition to the Gentiles, I don't see what Acts 21 has to do with Acts 15. I'm probably just being slow on the uptake, and reading the OP too quickly.
I was confused by that as well.

But Acts 21 and 15 have a LOT to do with each other. Acts 15 spoke to how the gentiles were to come in but said nothing about Jews in the New Covenant. 21 is the other side of that coin - what was required of Jewish believers.

Suggesting there is a difference makes many believers very nervous - the "no law" crowd see Acts 21 as an outrage - saying believers were to keep the Mosaic statutes. The 'one law' crowd sees Acts 15 (and much of what Paul wrote based on that declaration) as the outrage by saying that Moses is no longer relevant at all. Where both err is in believing there is a "one size fits all" as it comes to faith based observance. Paul himself took a stand against that mentality:

Rom 14.4 Who are you to judge the servant of another? To his own master he stands or falls; and he will stand, for the Lord is able to make him stand.
5 One person regards one day above another, another regards every day alike. Each person must be fully convinced in his own mind.
6 He who observes the day, observes it for the Lord, and he who eats, does so for the Lord, for he gives thanks to God; and he who eats not, for the Lord he does not eat, and gives thanks to God.
7 For not one of us lives for himself, and not one dies for himself;
8 for if we live, we live for the Lord, or if we die, we die for the Lord; therefore whether we live or die, we are the Lord’s.
9 For to this end Christ died and lived again, that He might be Lord both of the dead and of the living.
10 But you, why do you judge your brother? Or you again, why do you regard your brother with contempt? For we will all stand before the judgment seat of God.

Col 2.16 Therefore no one is to act as your judge in regard to food or drink or in respect to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day—
 
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I was confused by that as well.

But Acts 21 and 15 have a LOT to do with each other. Acts 15 spoke to how the gentiles were to come in but said nothing about Jews in the New Covenant. 21 is the other side of that coin - what was required of Jewish believers.

Suggesting there is a difference makes many believers very nervous - the "no law" crowd see Acts 21 as an outrage - saying believers were to keep the Mosaic statutes. The 'one law' crowd sees Acts 15 (and much of what Paul wrote based on that declaration) as the outrage by saying that Moses is no longer relevant at all. Where both err is in believing there is a "one size fits all" as it comes to faith based observance. Paul himself took a stand against that mentality:

Rom 14.4 Who are you to judge the servant of another? To his own master he stands or falls; and he will stand, for the Lord is able to make him stand.
5 One person regards one day above another, another regards every day alike. Each person must be fully convinced in his own mind.
6 He who observes the day, observes it for the Lord, and he who eats, does so for the Lord, for he gives thanks to God; and he who eats not, for the Lord he does not eat, and gives thanks to God.
7 For not one of us lives for himself, and not one dies for himself;
8 for if we live, we live for the Lord, or if we die, we die for the Lord; therefore whether we live or die, we are the Lord’s.
9 For to this end Christ died and lived again, that He might be Lord both of the dead and of the living.
10 But you, why do you judge your brother? Or you again, why do you regard your brother with contempt? For we will all stand before the judgment seat of God.

Romans 14 is about obedience to man's opinions (Romans 14:1), not about obedience to God's laws. Where Scripture gives a clear word, personal opinion must give way.

Col 2.16 Therefore no one is to act as your judge in regard to food or drink or in respect to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day—

The Colossians were eating and drinking and keeping God's Feasts and were being judged by those who were promoting self-made religion and asceticism and severity to the body (Colossians 2:20-23), so Paul was encouraging them to continue in obedience to God and not to listen to them.
 
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Well, if we all decide that we don't like the Jerusalem Council, we should write a letter to someone to have it expunged from the scriptures as teaching error (most likely as a forgery) or perhaps an indictment on the idiocy and lack of foresight on the part of those Yeshua promised to lead. I'm confident that such a letter would have enormous impact on the world, and would change the face of religion forever. Then we can turn the blowtorch on the other bits of the Bible we find tough or disagreeable to our personal theologies and get them turfed out as well.

Yeah, that's a good idea..............right?

(On a serious note) Why oh why do people think it's spiritually useful to second guess and re-interpret everything as if to expect that a new "idea" about something in scripture will somehow produce more personal holiness or spiritual fruit??? Aren't we here on this planet in this transitory life to grow in faith and holiness rather than to constantly call into question the source of that faith and holiness? Just thinking aloud here....
 
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