[PERMANENTLY CLOSED] What does the LDS church teach about God's nature?

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Mind you, I am asking Mormons this question not Nicean Christians. I'd like to see a genuine discussion of Mormon beliefs and practices as defined by Mormons themselves, not its detractors. And I hope we will all observe the rule about not degrading, belittling or mocking the religion of others. And please, no anti-Mormon vids.

Specifically I would like to know answers to the following questions:

Does God have a physical body?
If so, does He have white skin?
Does God live on another planet?
Does God have multiple wives?

I hope you will answer these questions in the spirit in which they are asked and I hope Christians will refrain from jumping all over members of the LDS.

Thank you.
 
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Mind you, I am asking Mormons this question not Nicean Christians. I'd like to see a genuine discussion of Mormon beliefs and practices as defined by Mormons themselves, not its detractors. And I hope we will all observe the rule about not degrading, belittling or mocking the religion of others. And please, no anti-Mormon vids.

Specifically I would like to know answers to the following questions:

Does God have a physical body?
If so, does He have white skin?
Does God live on another planet?
Does God have multiple wives?

I hope you will answer these questions in the spirit in which they are asked and I hope Christians will refrain from jumping all over members of the LDS.

Thank you.

If you're truly curious, here's the chapter from the Gospel Principles manual outlining the basics.

That being said -

1. God has a perfected physical body.

2. To my knowledge, his skin color is not specified in any known description.

3. Kolob was the star God used to mark time during the days of creation. Critics of the church have frequently misunderstood the teaching, and so often mis-characterize it. For example, I believe it was J. Edward Decker who referred to it as a "star base".

4. So far as is known, there's only one: Heavenly Mother. There seem to be far more critics of the church speculating on the number of wives than actual members.
 
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Mind you, I am asking Mormons this question not Nicean Christians. I'd like to see a genuine discussion of Mormon beliefs and practices as defined by Mormons themselves, not its detractors. And I hope we will all observe the rule about not degrading, belittling or mocking the religion of others. And please, no anti-Mormon vids.

Specifically I would like to know answers to the following questions:

Does God have a physical body?
If so, does He have white skin?
Does God live on another planet?
Does God have multiple wives?

I hope you will answer these questions in the spirit in which they are asked and I hope Christians will refrain from jumping all over members of the LDS.

Thank you.

I see that Ironhold already answered these. However, since I wanted to participate in this thread I'm going to answer them as well.

1) God has a physical body.

2) The color of God's skin in not known. And I would add that knowing the color of his skin is not very important.

3) I'm not sure if we have been told where God lives. My guess would be that it is on a planet.

4) I don't believe any revelation has been given as to the number of wives God has. Since marriage is essential to obtaining our fullest salvation we assume that God has at least one wife. It also fits the pattern that has been established by God for humans on Earth.


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I see that Ironhold already answered these. However, since I wanted to participate in this thread I'm going to answer them as well.

1) God has a physical body.

Got that part.

2) The color of God's skin in not known. And I would add that knowing the color of his skin is not very important.

That's good. Do you take the references to God darkening people's skin as metaphorical or literal?

3) I'm not sure if we have been told where God lives. My guess would be that it is on a planet.

Is God in charge of all the planets in the universe or just this one? Is there a god in charge of each planet?
 
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That's good. Do you take the references to God darkening people's skin as metaphorical or literal?

There is one instance in the Book of Mormon, where is says at one time, there was one group of unbeliever's skin was darkened. This is metaphorical.

Note, this not mean that all the desecendents of this group of people were evil. The Book of Mormon also recounts many great prophets and Godly people who were decedent from that group of people.

Also note, this had group has nothing to with Africans.

Is God in charge of all the planets in the universe or just this one? Is there a god in charge of each planet?

That is outside of our current knowledge (there are many great things God has yet to reveal).
 
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There is one instance in the Book of Mormon, where is says at one time, there was one group of unbeliever's skin was darkened. This is metaphorical. .

What about the references I've heard about people's skin color being determined by something they did or did not do in the pre-existance? Any truth to that?
 
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What about the references I've heard about people's skin color being determined by something they did or did not do in the pre-existance? Any truth to that?

Such theories are incorrect and officially disavowed by the church.

Unfortunately, the reason they had to be officially disavowed in the first place was because some members did once hold such beliefs and used them to justify the institutional racism of the time. They were wrong.
 
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In a nutshell -

In the Book of Mormon, a prophet known as Lehi was told to take his family and flee because Jerusalem was about to be destroyed. His family eventually built boats, and in time they wound up in the New World. Unfortunately, shortly after they arrived, a feud broke out among his offspring.

Lehi had four sons - Laman, Lemuel, Nephi, and Sam(uel). Laman and Lemuel were the oldest, and because they were the oldest they basically expected to have everything handed to them on a platter. They were lazy, arrogant, faithless, and cowardly. Nephi, on the other hand, was a man of both great faith and great strength; no matter what obstacle he faced, he would give his all to overcome it. Because of this, he found favor in the eyes of God as well as his parents, such that it was made clear he would be the one to succeed his father; Sam adored Nephi, and so followed his example.

Laman and Lemuel couldn't comprehend that their own misdeeds and personal failures had resulted in their being disfavored, and so instead viewed Nephi as a usurper. Their families likewise came to hate Nephi and his family, and before long the fighting between the respective families was so great that it threatened to rip the colony apart. Because of this, Laman, Lemuel, and their families were cursed with a distinctive marking so that the Nephites could tell the Lamanites apart on sight (and vice versa).

The original text noted that the Lamanites had a "dark" skin while the Nephites had a "white" skin. In the 1840s, however, Joseph Smith produced an edited and corrected Book of Mormon that aimed to fix a number of typographical errors that had been introduced by the early - and rather sloppy - printers. As part of this, he replaced these words with "impure" and "pure", respectively. (The words were, in fact, synonyms back during the 1800s - Conrad's Heart of Darkness plays with this - but their usage as such was obscure and so many people misunderstood what was going on.) The "corrected" edition was only in print for a few years before Joseph Smith's death and the flight to Utah caused the church to temporarily revert back to the original edition (the printers in England had not yet received a copy of the corrected manuscript, and so did not know to switch production to the newer version), but over the next 100+ years Joseph's revisions were re-incorporated into the text as his working papers could be located.

Much of the Book of Mormon is based on the interactions between the Nephites and the Lamanites. Yes, the Lamanites did indeed wage war against the Nephites on numerous occasions. But the Book of Mormon also recounts many instances involving righteous Lamanites. In particular, it was Samuel The Lamanite who was given the divine mission of prophesying unto the Nephites concerning Christ's birth; the Nephites were the more wicked of the two groups at this time, and so it took Samuel witnessing from atop the city's walls to shake them up.

Eventually, the Nephites and the Lamanites both became so wicked that their societies devolved into a constant state of warfare. Although the Nephites had better equipment, it availed them nothing because they had hardened their hearts against God and so had lost his protection; they were no match for the battle-hardened Lamanites, who by then had become a warrior culture akin to the Spartans.

The belief is that in time, the Lamanites eventually blended into the various Native American peoples. Because of this belief, the early church members saw the Native Americans not as "savages" like so many other Europeans did but as estranged cousins who they hoped to reconnect with. The church was so famously charitable when it came to ministering to the Native Americans on the Midwestern reservations that the Indian Agents actually kicked them out because they were embarrassed by how badly the church was upstaging them. Even non-members like explorer Solomon Carvalho (sp?) noted the lengths to which church leader Brigham Young went to negotiate with the various Native American bands that lived in and around Utah. Because the members of the church were more than eager to trade for and bargain with the Native bands (as opposed to simply taking things and brushing everyone aside), the friendlier bands quickly came to distinguish Mormons from other settlers.

So although critics of the church have frequently charged that we've been "racist" towards Native Americans, history shows that the church's behavior was the exact opposite thereof.
 
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Such theories are incorrect and officially disavowed by the church.

Unfortunately, the reason they had to be officially disavowed in the first place was because some members did once hold such beliefs and used them to justify the institutional racism of the time. They were wrong.

QFT.

In fact, the only people who make this claim nowadays are the critics of the church, thereby indicating that they're nearly 40 years behind the times when it comes to the issues of race relations and the church.
 
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Such theories are incorrect and officially disavowed by the church.

Unfortunately, the reason they had to be officially disavowed in the first place was because some members did once hold such beliefs and used them to justify the institutional racism of the time. They were wrong.

What was the reason then that black men were originally barred from the priesthood? I know in the earliest days there were black priests in the Mormon church.
 
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What was the reason then that black men were originally barred from the priesthood? I know in the earliest days there were black priests in the Mormon church.

It was a institutional policy enacted by men whom at the time believed that people of African-desecnt were somehow less than other humans. Such beliefs were tragically common in 1800's USA.

Here's a good essay on the subject, if you want to check it out-- https://www.lds.org/topics/race-and-the-priesthood?lang=eng
 
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QFT.

In fact, the only people who make this claim nowadays are the critics of the church, thereby indicating that they're nearly 40 years behind the times when it comes to the issues of race relations and the church.

Well, it was more than forty years ago when I originally took the missionary lessons. My understanding is that things really began to change with the mass conversions in Brazil. Since nearly everyone in Brazil has at least some African blood the church would have ended up with no priesthood there. When my son began to read at an adult level, I'd buy him Orson Scott Card Sci Fi novels because they very much resonated with my own values as a Baha'i. And when you have an eight year old reading adult novels you have to be careful. I don't think it is any accident that Scott Card was a missionary in Brazil or that our hero Ender ends up marrying a black Brazilian.
 
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It was a institutional policy enacted by men whom at the time believed that people of African-desecnt were somehow less than other humans. Such beliefs were tragically common in 1800's USA.

They were indeed. Even Abraham Lincoln did not believe in equality. Islam did however. Ali, Muhammad's son-in-law preached a very famous sermon where he argued that Satan's original sin was mutassub, meaning prejudice.

Baha'u'llah, who declared His own Cause in the middle of the 19th century wrote:

O CHILDREN OF MEN! Know ye not why We created you all from the same dust? That no one should exalt himself over the other. Ponder at all times in your hearts how ye were created. Since We have created you all from one same substance it is incumbent on you to be even as one soul, to walk with the same feet, eat with the same mouth and dwell in the same land, that from your inmost being, by your deeds and actions, the signs of oneness and the essence of detachment may be made manifest. Such is My counsel to you, O concourse of light! Heed ye this counsel that ye may obtain the fruit of holiness from the tree of wondrous glory.
 
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