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miamited · Apr 1, 2013

hi 'j',

When I have these discussions regarding the literalness of the creation account, I'm always struck with the thought that what it all really boils down to is whether we truly believe and acknowledge and understand the power and majesty of our Creator.

You see, as I understand the Scriptures, this entire realm of existence was created by a Creator whose soul purpose when He spoke the very first, "Let there be...", was to build a magnificent home for mankind. All those planets and stars and asteroids and such that you see when you look up into the night sky. My Father put everyone of them there in a mere moment as He built a universe that would be the home of man. He, by His eternal power and wisdom, started with just a single planet and He tenderly and wisely built that planet to have every physical thing that man would need to exist in a body of flesh. He didn't take millions and billions of years to bring that singular planet to completion, but rather mere moments in time. He spoke, and suddenly there were animals and plants that filled the dry surface and the seas.

Then He populated all the empty black nothingness around that singular planet with billions and billions of stars and planets and asteroids and such. Not in a trillion years, but in a mere moment He simply spoke and said, "Let it be thus", and it was, nearly instantly. All because His first cause for building this universe was that He was making a home for a creature that He would call man. A creature that would be a little lower than the angelic realm that He had already created. Man would not have the power of strength, or the spirit like bodies that the angels He created would have. Man would be different, but man needed a suitable place to live and God created it all. Then He made man and He knew that man would sin, but He would provide a way to cull from all of the existence of mankind some who would love Him and believe Him and trust Him and desire to live with Him in the perfect eternalness that is His own existence.

So, God created, and man became. But the ultimate end of God's goal is not yet. God's goal will be completed when we see the day that is spoken of in the Revelation of Jesus, chapters 21-22. There is coming a day when God is going to cleanse both the angelic realm and our earthly realm of sin and disobedience. That is the ultimate and final promise of the Scriptures to those who have trusted in their Creator. He will separate the wheat from the chaff. Or as Jesus described it, the wheat from the tares. God will send His obedient angels to cull from the earth all of mankind and He will judge in righteousness and truth. Both the disobedient angels and men will be cast out and those who chose His way as the way of righteousness will be forever cared for and loved by Him.

But God did not take millions or billions of years to bring His creation up to speed to be able to provide an adequate home for mankind. No! Not at all. God created it all perfectly by the power of His word in six days just as He has caused to be written to us and He will, just about as quickly, bring it all to a close. To me, it all boils down to our asking of our Creator, "God, what was your purpose in creating?" When we understand that that purpose was to make a home for mankind, and then lay out the plan of salvation for mankind, then we fairly quickly understand that all of this nonsense about it taking millions, billions of years for God to get to what He needed so that He could reach the goal that is described in the Revelation of Jesus just seems so nonsensical.

Sadly, man has taken what God has created and set it under the microscopes of study that we have made of our own wisdom and work diligently to teach people that what God has done and said that He has done just isn't possible. There must be some misunderstanding! We just aren't reading the Scriptures right because the man-made science says that it just can't be so!

So, is one's faith in God and His word and His promises and power and glory and majesty or is our faith rather in what man has proven and man has said is the truth?

Which is it.

You see, friend, God has been clear. He said it was a day and He defined that day for you as an evening and a morning so that when you got to this day when you'd be searching for the answer among the wisdom of men, you could tell them, "No, I'm sorry, but what you propose cannot be, because God has made it clear to me that He did it in six days and He further defined each day as being a normal day which consists of an evening or a morning. Further He caused His Holy Spirit to write that same claim in His word at least two other times and even based our week of six days and rest on the very same definition of the six days of work and one day of rest that He made in the beginning of this realm which He made for the home of man."

Friend, God has made it clear, but we are loath to turn our backs on the wisdom of man and rather embrace the 'foolishness of God'.

God bless you.
In Christ, Ted

KWCrazy · Apr 1, 2013

miamited said:
You see, friend, God has been clear. He said it was a day and He defined that day for you as an evening and a morning so that when you got to this day when you'd be searching for the answer among the wisdom of men, you could tell them, "No, I'm sorry, but what you propose cannot be, because God has made it clear to me that He did it in six days and He further defined each day as being a normal day which consists of an evening or a morning. Further He caused His Holy Spirit to write that same claim in His word at least two other times and even based our week of six days and rest on the very same definition of the six days of work and one day of rest that He made in the beginning of this realm which He made for the home of man."

Friend, God has made it clear, but we are loath to turn our backs on the wisdom of man and rather embrace the 'foolishness of God'.

Absolutely. We are so afraid of looking foolish when our Bibles say one thing and the physical characteristics of the world are interpreted to say something else that we seek compromise between the two and end up believing in nothing. Our God is capable of creating a running waterfall with a word without spending millions of years developing water tables, runoff, sourcing the various tributaries or charting the destination. All things happen at the intant of His command. If He intends for man to see a star that is a thousand light years away, then the light pathway and the star are created simultaneously. With man this is not possible, but with God all things are possible. Our finite minds are incapable of grasping the magesty of God. We keep imagining limitations where there are none. We foolishly believe that natural law prevents things from happening without considering that natural law has no restriction on the Creator.

We who believe the Bible to be accurate are not ignorant of science. We know that our God is greater than any physical law. He could stop the earth and reverse the rotation if He so chose, and could do so without the slightest consequence. Our God IS God!

miamited · Apr 1, 2013

Hi KW,

Amen! You know, I find that often these same people read the place where the Scriptures tell us that God caused the sun to stand still in the sky for nearly a whole day while a war was waged and won by Israel. They deny that such a thing could happen because science tells us that such a thing is impossible. Denying completely that our God can do the impossible. What seems impossible to man is easily possible with God!

They will say the same thing of this account of the sun standing still in the sky despite the clear teaching that it stood still. We just aren't reading it right or it's a story that was written by simple people to explain a powerful God and they added that in to give us some understanding of how powerful He could be, ... but isn't.

They make up explanations for the crossing through the sea of the Israelites when being chased by the Egyptians. Even though the Scriptures clearly say that they walked between two 'walls' of water and that the sea regained its place so quickly that an army could not get out of its way quickly enough to save themselves. The stories are bantered about that it was just a sandbar and low tide combination or that it was really what is known as the 'Reed' sea which was nothing more than a marshy area of several square miles that had reeds growing out of the water. Both clearly not in keeping with the description given in the Scriptures.

They deny that the flood really covered the whole earth despite God's word telling us that it did. That God destroyed everything upon the earth that had breath except for Noah and his immediate family.

Bottom line, they deny anything that might be supernaturally caused by God, other than to give some passing agreement that, yes, He probably started everything trillions of years ago by some supernatural cause.

I suppose that such folk think me foolish and a certifiable idiot, but probably the first understanding that I received when I was born again is that all of it is absolutely, literally true. God did create in six days because His purpose was to create man for whom He would ultimately save some to be with Him and His angels for all eternity. And sadly, I find that the judgment of who will be with Him and who won't are those who believe Him. Not believe in Him as so many are liable to say, but rather believe Him. Abraham was counted as righteous not because he believed 'in' God, but that he believed God. My struggle in this life is to build that same faith that Abraham had. To believe God and one of the conditions that God has given us under the new covenant is that we also believe 'in' the one He has sent.

God bless you and I encourage you to continue walking by faith and not by sight.
In Christ, Ted

jilfe · Apr 1, 2013

miamited said:
hi 'j',

When I have these discussions regarding the literalness of the creation account, I'm always struck with the thought that what it all really boils down to is whether we truly believe and acknowledge and understand the power and majesty of our Creator.

You see, as I understand the Scriptures, this entire realm of existence was created by a Creator whose soul purpose when He spoke the very first, "Let there be...", was to build a magnificent home for mankind. All those planets and stars and asteroids and such that you see when you look up into the night sky. My Father put everyone of them there in a mere moment as He built a universe that would be the home of man. He, by His eternal power and wisdom, started with just a single planet and He tenderly and wisely built that planet to have every physical thing that man would need to exist in a body of flesh. He didn't take millions and billions of years to bring that singular planet to completion, but rather mere moments in time. He spoke, and suddenly there were animals and plants that filled the dry surface and the seas.

Then He populated all the empty black nothingness around that singular planet with billions and billions of stars and planets and asteroids and such. Not in a trillion years, but in a mere moment He simply spoke and said, "Let it be thus", and it was, nearly instantly. All because His first cause for building this universe was that He was making a home for a creature that He would call man. A creature that would be a little lower than the angelic realm that He had already created. Man would not have the power of strength, or the spirit like bodies that the angels He created would have. Man would be different, but man needed a suitable place to live and God created it all. Then He made man and He knew that man would sin, but He would provide a way to cull from all of the existence of mankind some who would love Him and believe Him and trust Him and desire to live with Him in the perfect eternalness that is His own existence.

So, God created, and man became. But the ultimate end of God's goal is not yet. God's goal will be completed when we see the day that is spoken of in the Revelation of Jesus, chapters 21-22. There is coming a day when God is going to cleanse both the angelic realm and our earthly realm of sin and disobedience. That is the ultimate and final promise of the Scriptures to those who have trusted in their Creator. He will separate the wheat from the chaff. Or as Jesus described it, the wheat from the tares. God will send His obedient angels to cull from the earth all of mankind and He will judge in righteousness and truth. Both the disobedient angels and men will be cast out and those who chose His way as the way of righteousness will be forever cared for and loved by Him.

But God did not take millions or billions of years to bring His creation up to speed to be able to provide an adequate home for mankind. No! Not at all. God created it all perfectly by the power of His word in six days just as He has caused to be written to us and He will, just about as quickly, bring it all to a close. To me, it all boils down to our asking of our Creator, "God, what was your purpose in creating?" When we understand that that purpose was to make a home for mankind, and then lay out the plan of salvation for mankind, then we fairly quickly understand that all of this nonsense about it taking millions, billions of years for God to get to what He needed so that He could reach the goal that is described in the Revelation of Jesus just seems so nonsensical.

Sadly, man has taken what God has created and set it under the microscopes of study that we have made of our own wisdom and work diligently to teach people that what God has done and said that He has done just isn't possible. There must be some misunderstanding! We just aren't reading the Scriptures right because the man-made science says that it just can't be so!

So, is one's faith in God and His word and His promises and power and glory and majesty or is our faith rather in what man has proven and man has said is the truth?

Which is it.

You see, friend, God has been clear. He said it was a day and He defined that day for you as an evening and a morning so that when you got to this day when you'd be searching for the answer among the wisdom of men, you could tell them, "No, I'm sorry, but what you propose cannot be, because God has made it clear to me that He did it in six days and He further defined each day as being a normal day which consists of an evening or a morning. Further He caused His Holy Spirit to write that same claim in His word at least two other times and even based our week of six days and rest on the very same definition of the six days of work and one day of rest that He made in the beginning of this realm which He made for the home of man."

Friend, God has made it clear, but we are loath to turn our backs on the wisdom of man and rather embrace the 'foolishness of God'.

God bless you.
In Christ, Ted

Hi Ted,

If you get the chance, go to KCM.org, and look up the title of a book called, " Living in the Blessing", a lot of scriptural basis for genesis account, and what creation is all about, and how man is the pinacle of God;s creation, and the purpose for Jesus to become as us a man to reverse the curse, to bring us back to God's level, as Adam once was,,,beautiful study given in that book that really explains a lot of what you were sharing in this post.

God Bless....

miamited · Apr 1, 2013

Hi jilfe,

I'll look into that. Yes, I'm often contemplative of those who go around all the time proclaiming believe in God, believe in God. That isn't what Abraham's righteousness was credited for. Abraham believed God and it was credited to him as righteousness.

As an example: I believe in my earthly father. He was there at the breakfast table each morning and carted me off to school most days and worked and provided for his family, but I didn't necessarily believe everything that he told me. You see, he was a liar and a fornicator so I couldn't necessarily believe everything that he told me.

God bless you.
In Christ, Ted

KWCrazy · Apr 1, 2013

miamited said:
Yes, I'm often contemplative of those who go around all the time proclaiming believe in God, believe in God. That isn't what Abraham's righteousness was credited for. Abraham believed God and it was credited to him as righteousness.

Satan believes in God. He was God's angel. He believes in Heaven, and he knows that Jesus is the son of God. Amazingly he who is most eternally damned has a stronger belief in God than so many of us Christians do. Of course, Satan was there to see it all and all we have to go on is the word of God which is constantly under attack. I don't believe evolution is a harmless scientific theory. I believe it's a false religion which is targeted to separate Christains from their faith. I have read many, many posts from those who were dissuaded from believing in of by the lies of evolutionists, or have had their faith compromised by those people. I see people on this forum and others propoting themselves as experts in the Bible and every single post is intended to undermine the Scriptures in favor of evolution. It makes me wonder who they truly serve.

Evolution is not science. It has never been observed. It cannot be re-created. It cannot be falsified. There are no biological processes which can account for the acquisition of new genetic information and the encoding of it to the reproductive system. Selective breeding can result in extermination of some characteristics, but change can only go so far before sterility results. Benevolent mutations are the driving force for evolution, but they are incredibly rare. Most mutations are neutral or deleterious. Everything they say is proven remains only wild speculation.

How is a God incapable of telling the truth about creation able to offer His only begotten son for the salvation of mankind? How are we able to belive in the salvation of Jesus, but consider the Scriptures He taught to be mythology? Some, of course, are simply confused by a world that proclaims the integrity of science and the foolish nature of superstition and religion. Other, I believe, are serving another master; whether consciously ot unconsciously. Regardless, the one being served by constant attacks on the Scripture is NOT the father.

miamited · Apr 2, 2013

Hi KW,

Well, I have often contemplated that the theory of evolution is even one step further than calling it a false religion. When I look at how such a simple theory has turned millions away from the very basic and first claim of God's work in creating this realm of existence in which we live, and the natural denial of a lot of the power and glory of just what exactly God did if the creation account of the Scriptures is true, which I fully believe it is, I have often contemplated that it may very well be the delusion that God has sent. It seems so pervasive and certainly does even tempt the true saints.

2 Thessalonians speaks of how we have continually refused to believe the truth and so be saved and then ends by telling us that God himself will send a strong delusion that men will believe. I honestly am hardpressed to think of any current, world-wide accepted concept of men that is held to be generally true both inside and outside of the fellowship of the believers that then turns people, even many who profess to be God's people, away from the simple truth of how God created and why God created than the widespread and widely believed theory of evolution.

Now those in the fellowship will say that whether or not they believe the account of God's creating as literally true, they still believe 'in' God, but I'm not sure, as you have said, that that is the measuring rod. Satan surely believes 'in' God. He knows without any possible doubt at all that God is, but He refuses to believe God. That God and God alone is the creator of life. That God and God alone has the power to give that life or take it away. That God and God alone rules over all that He has created. So, yes, and I know that this causes discension among the fellowship of those who gather under the name of Jesus, but I do believe that what we believe about the very first words written in Genesis tells God who believes Him and who doesn't.

Just as Jesus told his disciples that many would gather on that day of judgment and cry out to him that surely he must know them because of all the things they did in his name, there seems to be a sure dividing line that separates those who claim the name of christian and those who are born again. I believe that that very dividing line may well be the difference between those who believe 'in' God and those who believe God. Those who believe 'in' Jesus and those who believe Jesus.

Of course these are all just the ramblings of an old mind, but I believe a mind that is fed by the Holy Spirit.

God bless you.
In Christ, Ted

SkyWriting · Apr 14, 2015

ChetSinger said:
There's a good reason the church has taught this: that's as far back as the genealogies go.

It still has no scriptural basis.
Nothing else in Christianity is
so weakly supported or convoluted.

2KnowHim · Jul 29, 2015

Has it ever occured to anyone that, the seven days of Gen. 1 is not about the Creation of the earth that we live on, but The Redemption of mankind? 7,000 yrs.

miamited · Jul 29, 2015

2KnowHim said:
Has it ever occured to anyone that, the seven days of Gen. 1 is not about the Creation of the earth that we live on, but The Redemption of mankind? 7,000 yrs.

Hi 2knowhim,

Sure, I've long considered that this 6,000th year that we are coming near to may well herald the last 1,000 year millenial reign of our Lord. The Hebrew calander, depending on which count you believe, puts us right about 5,775 years. Many disagree, but many others believe that it is a count based on the creation account and the genealogies that follow. After all, when Moses began the nation of Israel with God, they probably had a pretty fair idea of when the 12 brothers of Israel went into Egypt. The genealogies give a fairly accurate count right up to that year. They account the number of years from Adam to Noah, and then Noah to Abraham, and then the years of life that Isaac lived and the years of life that Jacob had, and his death occurred while his 12 sons were living in Egypt. The Scriptures tell us that the generations of the 12 sons lived some 400 years in captivity in Egypt.

The people of Israel have always been very keen record keepers. Further, God's revelation to the world has always come through the children of Israel. This is why Paul, when asking the rhetorical question of what value may be found in being a Jew, he answered, "much in every way. Chiefly that they were entrusted with the oracles of God." He believed that their writing down and keeping for posterity the oracles of God, was the number one purpose for their being called out as a nation. So, when I consider those things, and then read that the Jewish calendar says that we are in the year 5775, while I'm certainly willing to consider that they may be off a few years, I certainly don't expect it to be hundreds or thousands of years. Israel has always kept good records. After all, they had to keep records of the line of the Levite priests, and I believe they have, since the commands and decrees of God were that they were to observe the new moon as the start of their year, that they have kept a fairly accurate account as those annual new moons rolled around.

I surely understand that some may see this as grasping at straws, and they are free to think that, but I don't. It may very well come to pass that when we get to that 6,000th year, which is only some 25 years away, we may well see Jesus return on the clouds. Now, please don't anyone think to imagine that I am trying to pinpoint the day or hour of his return, but just as when Jesus first appeared, he seemed to have expected Israel to know that the time was at hand for his coming. All I'm pointing to is a 'season'. A time when we believers might want to be very, very watchful of the things that are going on. We should not be caught unawares as Israel was. However, if that 6,000th year passes and another 100 or 200 years pass, then we were probably wrong that the 6 days of work and the 7th of rest were any indication of how long it will be before the Lord returns. I'm perfectly OK with being wrong. I won't be here to see it unless the Lord should give me 85 years of life.

He said to them, "If you, even you, had known the hour of your visitation...". If the Jews were good record keepers, as I imagine that they were, they should have known that the 69th week of Daniel's prophecy was upon them. Not that they would have known the day or hour, but they should have known that they were right at that 69th week of years and should, therefore, have been expecting him. But they weren't.

As I have studied the prophecies of God's word, I find that there are quite a few which give times and seasons when His prophecies will be fulfilled. God even gave Israel a prophetic timeline that leads right to 1948 as the time that He would bring them back to Israel. He did it right on time!

However, just because God is using the 6 days of work and one of rest in multiples of thousand year spans to describe the length of our existence before the day of His judgment, doesn't nullify the validity of the creation account week. It doesn't have any bearing on God's saying some 2,500 years after the creation account, "For in six days God made the heavens and the earth and all that is in them...".

God bless you.
In Christ, Ted

2KnowHim · Jul 30, 2015

miamited said:
However, just because God is using the 6 days of work and one of rest in multiples of thousand year spans to describe the length of our existence before the day of His judgment, doesn't nullify the validity of the creation account week.
It doesn't have any bearing on God's saying some 2,500 years after the creation account, "For in six days God made the heavens and the earth and all that is in them...".

This part that I underlined, I would have to respectfully disagree with you on. I will explain why.

The second part of your statement,
It does if you understand that the heavens and the earth and all the host of them were "Finished" on the sixth day, in the one He called The image and Likeness of Himself, which is none other than The Last Adam, or Jesus Christ.
Col 1:15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:
Col 1:16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:

As far as the first part of your statement the reason why I disagree, is because Jesus Christ came for the very purpose of Judgment. All Judgment was laid upon Him.
Joh 9:39 And Jesus said, For judgment I am come into this world, that they which see not might see; and that they which see might be made blind.
Joh 12:31 Now is the judgment of this world: Now shall the prince of this world be cast out.
Joh 12:32 And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me.

Blessings

miamited · Jul 30, 2015

Hi 2knowhim,

Well, I can only assume that you don't consider the day that God raises everyone to life after the thousand year reign of His Son as the day of 'judgment'. When I refer to God's judgment, it is that day that I am referring to.

God bless you.
In Christ, Ted

2KnowHim · Jul 30, 2015

I know what you are referring to....I just don't see it as you do. For as I said ....Christ became the Judgment of God. If fact He stood in the very place called "The Pavement" which is Judgment for us.
In the day that He was brought from Prison to Judgment, then Crucified and buried, He took our Death (which was brought on us all by the one man Adam, ) into His Death.

The 1,000 yr. Reign of Christ is a Spiritual number that represents the life and nature and Day of The first Adam. This is what Christ is Reigning over, and quite well I might add. It is a Day, It is a 1,000yrs.
Adam lived how long? 930 yrs. and died. Just under 1 Day. When He Reigns over this nature in you and I, then we enter into His Rest, His Sabbath, His Seventh Day, His Works.

miamited · Jul 30, 2015

Hi 2knowhim,

Yes, you're correct that we don't understand the Scriptures the same.

God bless you.
In Christ, Ted

classicalhero · Aug 1, 2015

KWCrazy said:
That happened before the creation of the universe. Heaven, like God, always existed.

No it didn't because God said after the creation of man at the end of day 6 that what he saw was "very good" include those events? Satan's fall happened some time after the Creation week but before the our fall. We are not told how long between those two events.

Aman777 · Aug 10, 2015

classicalhero said:
No it didn't because God said after the creation of man at the end of day 6 that what he saw was "very good" include those events? Satan's fall happened some time after the Creation week but before the our fall. We are not told how long between those two events.

The end of the present 6th Day is future. We live today at Gen 1:27 since God is STILL creating mankind in His Image, which is to be born again Spiritually in Christ. When Heaven is filled with ALL of it's host, we will advance to the PROPHECY of Gen 1:28-31. Then God will say, it is very good. Amen?

2KnowHim · Aug 11, 2015

Aman777 said:
The end of the present 6th Day is future. We live today at Gen 1:27 since God is STILL creating mankind in His Image, which is to be born again Spiritually in Christ. When Heaven is filled with ALL of it's host, we will advance to the PROPHECY of Gen 1:28-31. Then God will say, it is very good. Amen?

Exellent my friend, I couldn't say it better myself.

Aman777 · Aug 11, 2015

2KnowHim said:
Exellent my friend, I couldn't say it better myself.

Thank you for the kind words. Many people disagree and think that ALL living creatures becoming vegetarians, as Gen 1:30 shows, has ALREADY happened in the past...BUT...they cannot explain WHEN. The Lion won't lay down by the Lamb until Jesus comes back to this Earth and changes ALL creatures from meat eaters to plant eaters. Isaiah 11:1-7 Amen?

2KnowHim · Aug 13, 2015

Aman777 said:
Thank you for the kind words. Many people disagree and think that ALL living creatures becoming vegetarians, as Gen 1:30 shows, has ALREADY happened in the past...BUT...they cannot explain WHEN. The Lion won't lay down by the Lamb until Jesus comes back to this Earth and changes ALL creatures from meat eaters to plant eaters. Isaiah 11:1-7 Amen?

Actually, my understanding is a little different. Even though I know what your talking about when you say "lion and lamb lying down together", it really says "wolf and lamb", which in either one I see Jesus Christ on the cross.
The Lion of the tribe of Judah, and The Lamb of God, did lie down together when He was crucified.
The wolf (which depicts the beastly nature of the first Adam which was all of us), and The Lamb of course depicts The gentleness of The nature of Christ.

We who have come to understand these things, are already plant eaters. I believe you have been for a while now.

Rev_22:2 In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.

The word you spoke, can only come from you being a partaker of these leaves.
All prophecy has it's fulfillment in Christ.

God Bless you my friend

Aman777 · Aug 13, 2015

2KnowHim said:
Actually, my understanding is a little different. Even though I know what your talking about when you say "lion and lamb lying down together", it really says "wolf and lamb", which in either one I see Jesus Christ on the cross.
The Lion of the tribe of Judah, and The Lamb of God, did lie down together when He was crucified.
The wolf (which depicts the beastly nature of the first Adam which was all of us), and The Lamb of course depicts The gentleness of The nature of Christ.

We who have come to understand these things, are already plant eaters. I believe you have been for a while now.

Rev_22:2 In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.

The word you spoke, can only come from you being a partaker of these leaves.
All prophecy has it's fulfillment in Christ.

God Bless you my friend

The Holy Spirit gives all believers their own understanding. In these last days we should all tell others what He has shown us, since there will be some 152k people leave this world today and go into Eternity. Amen?

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