Defunding Planned Parenthood

pdudgeon · Jul 31, 2015

quote from Congressman Randy Forbes, 4th District, VA, from his newsletter today:
https://mail.aol.com/webmail-std/en-us/suite

"...This is not about politics. This is not about Republicans or Democrats. This is about basic humanity and human dignity. We cannot with one breath argue that an unborn life is “simply tissue,” and with the next breath transfer that tissue as human organs for research."

WarriorAngel · Jul 31, 2015

pdudgeon said:
quote from Congressman Randy Forbes, 4th District, VA, from his newsletter today:
https://mail.aol.com/webmail-std/en-us/suite

"...This is not about politics. This is not about Republicans or Democrats. This is about basic humanity and human dignity. We cannot with one breath argue that an unborn life is “simply tissue,” and with the next breath transfer that tissue as human organs for research."

I'd like to see them quote how this broke the law too.

Taxpayers shouldnt fund law breakers. Period.

classicalhero · Jul 31, 2015

You have been funding this criminal enterprise for a long time, why do you think they will be able to not get the money they want.

MikeK · Jul 31, 2015

Tax dollars should not go to Planned Parenthood.

PapaZoom · Jul 31, 2015

MikeK said:
Tax dollars should not go to Planned Parenthood.

I totally agree.

pdudgeon · Jul 31, 2015

classicalhero said:
You have been funding this criminal enterprise for a long time, why do you think they will be able to not get the money they want.

Yes, there are plenty of people and companies who have been funding them. But the criminal side of the PP enterprise is just now coming to light.
So the new revelations which have been made public might throw a political monkey wrench into the coffers, which heretofore were overflowing.

Before now PP was eagerly trumpeting how much help they were giving to young pregnant women.
But now that both sides of their enterprise have been revealed-- especially how their company has been profiting
from the re-sale of human parts that were previously described as 'just tissue'-- it is easy to see exactly why they have been
so vigorously fighting ultra sounds and parental notification issues.

It's not about helping the young women any more.
now it's about protecting the profit that they stand to loose if the word gets out
that they are also in the business of harvesting and selling human organs.

I haven't seen any numbers yet on how much money has been 'earned' by re-selling human organs,
but if that figure ever does come to light, it might be a real barn burner for PP.

PP isn't the first company to have been caught skimming the profits off a legitimate business.
The history of many legislators and owners of previous companies who have tried the same thing--
from the Teapot Dome scandal right down to businesses who profited during Hurricane Katrina
and the Gulf War--have not been favorable to say the least.

ebia · Aug 1, 2015

pdudgeon said:
We cannot with one breath argue that an unborn life is “simply tissue,” and with the next breath transfer that tissue as human organs for research."

Can't 'we'? Why not?

ebia · Aug 1, 2015

WarriorAngel said:
I'd like to see them quote how this broke the law too.

Eh?

ebia · Aug 1, 2015

pdudgeon said:
Yes, there are plenty of people and companies who have been funding them. But the criminal side of the PP enterprise is just now coming to light.
So the new revelations which have been made public might throw a political monkey wrench into the coffers, which heretofore were overflowing.

Before now PP was eagerly trumpeting how much help they were giving to young pregnant women.
But now that both sides of their enterprise have been revealed-- especially how their company has been profiting

Has it been shown that the money is more than covering storage and transport costs?

It's not about helping the young women any more.
now it's about protecting the profit that they stand to loose

Profit for whom?
If they are a non-profit, then there is no profit. Any money is recycled into services.

WarriorAngel · Aug 1, 2015

pdudgeon said:
Yes, there are plenty of people and companies who have been funding them. But the criminal side of the PP enterprise is just now coming to light.
So the new revelations which have been made public might throw a political monkey wrench into the coffers, which heretofore were overflowing.

Before now PP was eagerly trumpeting how much help they were giving to young pregnant women.
But now that both sides of their enterprise have been revealed-- especially how their company has been profiting
from the re-sale of human parts that were previously described as 'just tissue'-- it is easy to see exactly why they have been
so vigorously fighting ultra sounds and parental notification issues.

It's not about helping the young women any more.
now it's about protecting the profit that they stand to loose if the word gets out
that they are also in the business of harvesting and selling human organs.

I haven't seen any numbers yet on how much money has been 'earned' by re-selling human organs,
but if that figure ever does come to light, it might be a real barn burner for PP.

PP isn't the first company to have been caught skimming the profits off a legitimate business.
The history of many legislators and owners of previous companies who have tried the same thing--
from the Teapot Dome scandal right down to businesses who profited during Hurricane Katrina
and the Gulf War--have not been favorable to say the least.

For years we have been seeing them exposed.
Sex trafficking etc.
Nothing has stopped the funding and now Obama is defending them and going after the ones who exposed them.
We need to get rid of pro abortion advocates in our government and any who fund them with tax payer $$'s.
Congress wants them defunded - which would probably be a blessing... as they wouldnt have as much power to survive based on they illegal and nasty under dealings they get away with and still receive funding.
Not to mention that money could be put back into SS for the elderly care and such.

WarriorAngel · Aug 1, 2015

ebia said:
Has it been shown that the money is more than covering storage and transport costs?

Profit for whom?
If they are a non-profit, then there is no profit. Any money is recycled into services.

http://www.newsmax.com/US/Rick-Perry-Planned-Parenthood-nonprofit-video/2015/07/31/id/664892/

How can they be non profit?
They do no services except abortion and check to see if women are pregnant.
They dont care for pregnant women at all.
As far as breast cancer - they give referrals to get a mammogram.
They are useless.

MikeK · Aug 1, 2015

I wouldn't say useless, they do refer women to charities that give grants for low cost or free mammograms, and they do provide paps and cervical cancer screenings in some of their clinics, often at low or no cost. They do some good. They also do much evil and should not recieve government funding, but we should also recognize what good they do.

WarriorAngel · Aug 1, 2015

MikeK said:
I wouldn't say useless, they do refer women to charities that give grants for low cost or free mammograms, and they do provide paps and cervical cancer screenings in some of their clinics, often at low or no cost. They do some good. They also do much evil and should not recieve government funding, but we should also recognize what good they do.

i think the evil aspect cancels out any of the help they do.
If the small clinics [and i dont know if Catholic Charities now exist because of ACA etc] that do no such thing as abortion - would receive the 'grants' to help the indigent - even the paltry help PPF gives - could be transferred to better operations that serve only for the health of the poor.
They allow the very few to do these services to keep their doors open...and receive the money and status.

Im curious with the cost of abortions that women have to pay - who gets that money?
The Dr's - nurses and staff...get portions - but its a high yielding 'procedure' that vastly outweighs the salaries.
Is it 3000 babies a day dying?
I dont know the cost of an abortion..is it $500 per?
$391,500,000 a year and maybe Saturdays they are open too?
Plus tax money = a whole lot of cash.
The profit from abortions alone could sustain them to do free checks in the few clinics that are doing them.

Referral programs could also go to small clinics that do not do abortions.
I think if a company wants to do abortions - they should be on their own without funding.

MikeK · Aug 1, 2015

Agreed on all. The good that PP does could be done by others including faith-based groups. There is no legislation that keeps the Church from opening an extensive ring of free clinics.

There is a general lack of understanding about what "non-profit" means. A non profit can and often will have highly-compensated employees.

ebia · Aug 1, 2015

WarriorAngel said:
http://www.newsmax.com/US/Rick-Perry-Planned-Parenthood-nonprofit-video/2015/07/31/id/664892/

How can they be non profit?

By not having shareholders or owners who receive dividends ...

They are useless.

perhaps.

WarriorAngel · Aug 1, 2015

MikeK said:
Agreed on all. The good that PP does could be done by others including faith-based groups. There is no legislation that keeps the Church from opening an extensive ring of free clinics.

There is a general lack of understanding about what "non-profit" means. A non profit can and often will have highly-compensated employees.

The Church did have free clinics.
However; with the abortion/contraception clause in the ACA - a couple years ago - i believe they closed to avoid going against their conscience.
I havent checked more recently - i just remember it was threatened to do so. Since that passed [clause included for all to partake] - i think they are gone.
Just as the adoption agencies disappeared.
Sadly, the more the government gets involved [who refuses to allow freedom of religion] - the more we see faith based institutions disappear.

MikeK · Aug 1, 2015

WarriorAngel said:
The Church did have free clinics.
However; with the abortion/contraception clause in the ACA - a couple years ago - i believe they closed to avoid going against their conscience.
I havent checked more recently - i just remember it was threatened to do so. Since that passed [clause included for all to partake] - i think they are gone.
Just as the adoption agencies disappeared.
Sadly, the more the government gets involved [who refuses to allow freedom of religion] - the more we see faith based institutions disappear.

There is nothing in the ACA that dictates what free clinics must cover.

WarriorAngel · Aug 1, 2015

MikeK said:
There is nothing in the ACA that dictates what free clinics must cover.

The clause that used to be protection for religious freedom from the unconscionable has been removed and changed and it did fall into the whole insurance change - accepted with the ACA changes.

Armoured · Aug 1, 2015

So, who's going to provide the non-abortion services PP provides if y'all get your wish of a defunded planned parenthood?

Armoured · Aug 1, 2015

ebia said:
Can't 'we'? Why not?

Insert mandatory merry-go-round discussion about the semantic difference between "human" as adjective and "human" as noun.

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