Wearing hats in church...

toastface_grillah · Jul 30, 2015

I personally don't wear hats in church (probably for the same reason that I wouldn't keep my coat on in church), but I do believe that God cares more about the inside than the outside, and cares much more about gossip than hats or hairstyles.

Messy · Jul 30, 2015

Patrick Bateman said:
Well I don't know how someone would dress that wasn't welcoming. I mean, unless it was clothing that you'd probably get asked to leave if you wore.

Dressing in denim is inviting for a lot of non christians just like having church at a home.

EyesOfKohl · Jul 30, 2015

I think generally in Western countries wearing hats/headwear in a Church, or even inside in some situations is frowned upon.

But I think it is more of a social ethic.

Remember the High Priest Aaron was instructed to wear a Turban (headcovering) when he was in God's presence.

Messy · Jul 30, 2015

There are churches here where the women wear hats but I almost never see men walking around with a hat.

redblue22 · Jul 30, 2015

Clothing is important to consider if you are going to be missions minded.

Noxot · Jul 30, 2015

I wish I could wear a mask to church. that would be neat. I can't stand social ethics. it irks me when people are concerned with outer appearances because it is a sure sign of some form of insanity that I have been against for a long time now. step by step with this kind of mindset you end up fashioning laws based upon vanity and that secretly hate their brothers... not allowing them to live in freedom of the spirit, instead favoring appearances based on a bureaucratic diction of the spirit of the world.

even those who do things (that i perceive to be common) for no other reason than God.... it would still provoke me to do the opposite. since so many people are concerned with certain directions it means I should take an alternate route to my walking with God. otherwise the full glory of the kingdom of heaven will not shine as much as it should. got to fit as much in the world as we can.

who will be you if you are not going to be you?

redblue22 · Jul 30, 2015

I would bet there are a lot of people who wear masks to church.

Noxot · Jul 30, 2015

redblue22 said:
I would bet there are a lot of people who wear masks to church.

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I don't think having a 'mask' has to be a bad thing though. it does not default a person to the position of the "play actors" or "hypocrites" that Jesus at times rebuked, especially if those play actors are aware that they are in a divine play. which if more knew such a thing I think the world would become a much better place. but we have lots of serious folk in the world and they do crazy things like kill in the name of God ( or in the name of X ) or amass as much power and control that they can muster ( often doing various types of damage to people and whatever else) . so many have forgotten what price God was willing to pay that we may play. Jesus would that we have his joy but it is like we are willing to settle for so little and in doing so we often put a heavy burden on others.

Messy · Jul 30, 2015

redblue22 said:
I would bet there are a lot of people who wear masks to church.

Yes, I liked how Morris Cerullo always said: TAKE THE MASK OFF!
Lol my ex once said: my wife is very honest. If we had a fight before church and didn't settle it you can just look at her face.
They always looked very weird at me since I never wore a mask and was supposed to be the holy all perfect pastor's wife. My am I glad I got rid of that yoke.

Servant68 · Jul 30, 2015

blackribbon said:
So shun the people into not coming to church over a baseball cap...not knowing if there is more to the story?

Really, Blackribbon? Did I actually say men who wear hats in church should be shunned? I would appreciate it if you stop following me around to every thread and attacking me. It's getting annoying and creepy...

Goodbook · Jul 30, 2015

I'd like to take my cat to church...
oh sorry, wrong thread.

fromtheAsh · Jul 30, 2015

I've never been apart of a church where wearing hats or caps was the norm, except up here in South Dakota people will frequently wear winter hats and such to church, but then take them off along with their coats. I guess I see how some people take no issue with it while others could see at innapropriate for men to wear caps or hats to church. I have seen women were a hat or something to church, and I have no problem with that.

fromtheAsh · Jul 30, 2015

Goodbook said:
I'd like to take my cat to church...
oh sorry, wrong thread.

I really think churches should do a "take your dog to church" Sunday once a year.

MiniEmu · Jul 30, 2015

Oddly while I've been taught men should remove their hats for church, I've also been taught women should wear them. Women wearing hats indoors has never really been viewed as disrespectful, but perhaps times are changing/things are different outside my little bubble.

As it stands I do not wear a hat to church. I do however wear a head scarf, so perhaps there are people who look at me and tut. It's all good fun.

Arcangl86 · Jul 30, 2015

fromtheAsh said:
I really think churches should do a "take your dog to church" Sunday once a year.

Isn't that what St. Francis day is for?

Also to address the OP, I think it's about culture. For some people, wearing a ball cap can be considered respectful. I remember talking to a Pastor friend of mine, and he was saying that he had conflict in his large African American church with some of the older members being upset at the younger members not showing respect by wearing jeans and not a suit. His response was "They are wearing their best. Those jeans cost more then your suit." So I think if the person takes some level of care about how they dress, that should be enough. Of course there are extenuating circumstances, like not being put all together because you were trying to get the kids ready.

fromtheAsh · Jul 30, 2015

Arcangl86 said:
Isn't that what St. Francis day is for?

I've never been apart of a Parish that really celebrated feast days outside of putting a note in the bulletin.

Arcangl86 · Jul 30, 2015

fromtheAsh said:
I've never been apart of a Parish that really celebrated feast days outside of putting a note in the bulletin.

OH, then you never seen the joyful chaos that is the blessing of the animals. It's great.

fromtheAsh · Jul 30, 2015

Arcangl86 said:
OH, then you never seen the joyful chaos that is the blessing of the animals. It's great.

No, I haven't. Now I want to send an email to our rector saying "Can this happen?"

Arcangl86 · Jul 30, 2015

fromtheAsh said:
No, I haven't. Now I want to send an email to our rector saying "Can this happen?"

Do it. Your rector might like the idea.

ViaCrucis · Jul 31, 2015

Servant68 said:
Was church shopping last year and I visited one that was very popular. Non-denominational and in a brand new facility in a shopping mall.

The design and interior was very "modern". Coffee shop inside, bookstore, lots of brushed aluminum and other artsy touches.

Went to the "worship center" and noticed I was one of maybe 3-4 people that actually had Bibles. None were available in the seats.

During the lengthy and professionally produced worship concert, I noticed several men wearing ball caps. Normally, in larger congregations I've been in, there is occasionally a guy wearing a ball cap. No big deal. He's probably a visitor, or just doesn't know proper etiquette. This congregation, however, was smaller; maybe 150 people, and probably around 10 guys were wearing hats.

OK... It's a popular church so maybe there are typically lots of visitors... Then, the time came for the offering. 4 of the 6 men that got up to collect the offering were wearing various ball caps; truck brand logos, sports team logos, etc. These were obviously members of this church.

I realize that at 46yrs old, I am an old fart... I'm also former military. So that may well be why I found wearing a hat in church so off putting.

I suppose at this rate, I'm going to also start finding anything other than hymns and organ music distasteful as well, Lol...

I went to the church a couple of more times and decided not to attend it. It wasn't because of the members wearing hats inside church, but rather because the pastor's sermons were reminiscent of the prosperity gospel types. He also cited one or maybe two Bible verses during his entire sermon; I prefer much more Biblical referencing.

But, I was surprised by just how much the whole hat thing bothered me...

Is the wearing of ball caps in church becoming more popular and accepted in your churches?

There was a time when it was generally considered bad manners to wear a hat inside. Cultural mores change, it's just the nature of human culture. I regularly wear a ball cap at home or when at a friend's place--it's simply not an issue of concern. If I were to visit, say, an old folks home I'd probably take my hat off--it's a context thing.

Hats in church is largely just an extension of this. Traditionally clergy have worn various kinds of headdress, the most commonly seen in the West is the zucchetto or skull cap. It looks very similar to a Jewish kippah (yalmake), indeed because they are actually related to one another. Another common sight is a bishop's miter. In the past there were also birettas, and then in the East there are other forms of traditional clerical headdress.

Removing one's hat is largely just a customary show of respect, once upon a time a man removed his hat to greet a lady, these are cultural artifacts rather than matters of real moral or ethical concern. It's just that we have typically retained some of these social customs when it comes to church, perhaps because people believe that they are somehow essential or a matter of Christian discipline and behavior rather than simply being an artifact of Western culture.

If I come to church with a hat I typically remove it once in the sanctuary for worship, simply because that's my habit and custom, not because I feel I necessarily should. I don't think it's the sort of thing that needs worrying about, it's just cultural fluff, it really has nothing to do with church itself or Christianity. In Ethiopia it is considered inappropriate to wear shoes in church, so one removes their shoes when entering church to attend worship.

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