Trump Says McCain "Is Not a War Hero"

Rhamiel · Jul 20, 2015

mark46 said:
BTW, Trump is no anti-abortion and anti-gay marriage. He should get lots more OBOB votes now, no matter what he states with regard to his faith.

well we should support people who are against abortion and against gay marriage
both of those things are bad

I do not like Trump, he has zero experience as a politician, he is polarizing, I do not think he is intelligent enough for the job (but I do not think Clinton is either)

S.ilvio · Jul 20, 2015

There's plenty to criticise McCain on. His war mongering foreign policy top of the list.

But to question his service when in uniform..???

Rhamiel · Jul 20, 2015

S.ilvio said:
But to question his service when in uniform..???

well a lot of Democrats already have done this
it just gets made a big deal when a Republican does it

mark46 · Jul 20, 2015

Rhamiel said:
well a lot of Democrats already have done this
it just gets made a big deal when a Republican does it

Yes, it is very different when a Republican attacks our nation's heroes. That is why ALL the Republican candidates immediately attacked Trump's comments. The Republican's have the strong support of the military and of the use of military force as one of its core values since Eisenhower was their nominees. Democrats are often anti-war and anti-military. Thankfully, since 2001, the Democratic Party has made clear that they support our servicemen and heroes, even if they were sent to fight a battle that they shouldn't have needed to fight.

JimR-OCDS · Jul 20, 2015

Rhamiel said:
well a lot of Democrats already have done this
it just gets made a big deal when a Republican does it

I don't recall and democrat criticizing John McCain's military service.

In fact, Candidate and then President Obama, praised John McCain for his military service.

Jim

Rhamiel · Jul 20, 2015

mark46 said:
Yes, it is very different when a Republican attacks our nation's heroes.

you think it is different?
I hate it when people hold Democrats to lower standards
it is such a cheap way to pretend that Democrat Politicians are decent people

mark46 said:
Democrats are often anti-war and anti-military

there have been dovish Republicans too
and there have been hawkish Democrats

mark46 said:
Thankfully, since 2001, the Democratic Party has made clear that they support our servicemen and heroes

really? look at how Democratic Politicians talk about veterans
there have been some respectful ones, but we can not really say that the Democratic Party has been supportive across the board

Armoured · Jul 20, 2015

Rhamiel said:
well like I said
I dislike Trump

I just wish you would hold the bigots and traitors on the Left to the same standards you hold Trump

Find anyone on the left who made similar comments about PWs and we will.

Rhamiel · Jul 20, 2015

Armoured said:
Find anyone on the left who made similar comments about PWs and we will.

Al Franken to name one

JimR-OCDS · Jul 20, 2015

Rhamiel said:
Al Franken to name one

Franken's comments as stupid as they were, was an intended joke.

Not so Trump's statements

Jim

Armoured · Jul 20, 2015

Rhamiel said:
Al Franken to name one

I'm not familiar with either the person or the quotes.

NightHawkeye · Jul 20, 2015

Albion said:
So this is Trump's biggest weakness. It's not what he believes but what the "gotcha" crowd is intent upon doing to him--and he has to bear some of the responsibility for giving them the ammunition.

The only way to not give the "gotcha" crowd ammunition is to not say anything ... and therefore not be a threat to anybody or anything. The "gotcha" crowd will "getcha" if you stand for anything. It doesn't matter how many potential gotcha's the Dems make, the mainstream media will ignore that and go all out to crucify any Republican that stands out.

A look at the 2012 election is proof enough of that. One by one, in slow succession, the mainstream media attacked each Republican hopeful until only the favored loser was heir apparent ... and by that time even he was too afraid, literally, to do anything except agree completely with Barack Obama's policies. And to this day half the Republican voters still wonder that Romney lost. :doh:

Albion · Jul 20, 2015

NightHawkeye said:
The only way to not give the "gotcha" crowd ammunition is to not say anything ... and therefore not be a threat to anybody or anything. The "gotcha" crowd will "getcha" if you stand for anything. It doesn't matter how many potential gotcha's the Dems make, the mainstream media will ignore that and go all out to crucify any Republican that stands out.

A look at the 2012 election is proof enough of that. One by one, in slow succession, the mainstream media attacked each Republican hopeful until only the favored loser was heir apparent ... and by that time even he was too afraid, literally, to do anything except agree completely with Barack Obama's policies. And to this day half the Republican voters still wonder that Romney lost.

This is so. One by one, every challenger to Romney was methodically smeared while Romney was basically favored by the media. Then, when they had him as the nominee, he suddenly was the worst person since Dillinger.

Zach91 · Jul 31, 2015

Fish and Bread said:
Link:

http://www.cnn.com/2015/07/18/politics/donald-trump-john-mccain-war-hero/index.html

Trump is a disgrace.

This man will stoop to anything.

McCain spent 5 years in a Vietnamese prisoner of war camp being tortured. You can question his politics and incessant desire to bomb Iran- I certainly do- but questioning his status as a war hero is beyond the pale. This is reminiscent of Bush trying to question John Kerry's war record and purple heart in 2004 campaign (I voted for Kerry). There are some depths to which you just don't sink- even in politics.

Trump needs to drop out of the race. America has seen and heard enough of him.

If NBC hasn't fired him already as host of The Apprentice, they need to.

It is true that John McCain served with honor. Trump went a little too far when reacting to McCain's insults. John Kerry on the other hand is a seditious coward. By even mentioning that scumbag traitor John Carry in the same paragraph as John McCain, you have insulted him far worse than Donald Trump did. Take a look at this little expose about Kerry: http://www.swiftvets.com/staticpages/index.php?page=Purple1

mark46 · Jul 31, 2015

Albion said:
This is so. One by one, every challenger to Romney was methodically smeared while Romney was basically favored by the media. Then, when they had him as the nominee, he suddenly was the worst person since Dillinger.

OK, the media has liberal slant.

The media favored Romney over the other Republican candidates. The media also favored any Democrat over Romney.

I'm not sure why this is a surprise.

Albion · Jul 31, 2015

mark46 said:
OK, the media has liberal slant.

The media favored Romney over the other Republican candidates. The media also favored any Democrat over Romney.

I'm not sure why this is a surprise.

It's not a surprise.

However, it's common for Democrats--on CF and elsewhere--to pretend that it's not true. Otherwise it probably wouldn't get mentioned. And the issue is not merely "favored," but what is done to destroy candidates that are not of its choosing.

JimR-OCDS · Jul 31, 2015

Zach91 said:
It is true that John McCain served with honor. Trump went a little too far when reacting to McCain's insults. John Kerry on the other hand is a seditious coward. By even mentioning that scumbag traitor John Carry in the same paragraph as John McCain, you have insulted him far worse than Donald Trump did. Take a look at this little expose about Kerry: http://www.swiftvets.com/staticpages/index.php?page=Purple1

Of course you have no clue what you're talking about.

John Kerry served his country honorably and after he left the US Navy, served the country by speaking the truth as to the immorality of the Vietnam War.

Even John McCain attacked the fraudulent Swift-boat campaign against Kerry's military record.

I didn't want Kerry for president, but that's a side issue from his military service.

Jim

Albion · Jul 31, 2015

JimR-OCDS said:
Of course you have no clue what you're talking about.

John Kerry served his country honorably and after he left the US Navy, served the country by speaking the truth as to the immorality of the Vietnam War.

Even John McCain attacked the fraudulent Swift-boat campaign against Kerry's military record.

I didn't want Kerry for president, but that's a side issue from his military service.

Jim

Let's all face it. Because he was a POW, you cannot criticize McCain's military past in polite company, even if you don't like him.

It doesn't matter if his behavior as a prisoner was courageous or if he was a collaborator. All that people take in is, "He was a POW for five and a half years," and we feel sorry for that.

JimR-OCDS · Jul 31, 2015

Albion said:
Let's all face it. Because he was a POW, you cannot criticize McCain's military past in polite company, even if you don't like him.

It doesn't matter if his behavior as a prisoner was courageous or if he was a collaborator. All that people take in is, "He was a POW for five and a half years," and we feel sorry for that.

Until you've had that day of reckoning where you're mandated by people sitting in safe warm places to keep your mouth shut while being tortured, you have no right to judge.

John McCain went through horrible torture for which he suffers from today.

Jim

MikeK · Jul 31, 2015

Albion said:
Let's all face it. Because he was a POW, you cannot criticize McCain's military past in polite company, even if you don't like him.

It doesn't matter if his behavior as a prisoner was courageous or if he was a collaborator. All that people take in is, "He was a POW for five and a half years," and we feel sorry for that.

Garbage. Being a POW doesn't make him a hero, refusing an offer to go home because his co-captors weren't offered the same deal, knowing it meant he would endure further torture and quite possibly a slow, miserable death made him a hero.

WarriorAngel · Jul 31, 2015

Fish and Bread said:
Link:

http://www.cnn.com/2015/07/18/politics/donald-trump-john-mccain-war-hero/index.html

Trump is a disgrace.

This man will stoop to anything.

McCain spent 5 years in a Vietnamese prisoner of war camp being tortured. You can question his politics and incessant desire to bomb Iran- I certainly do- but questioning his status as a war hero is beyond the pale. This is reminiscent of Bush trying to question John Kerry's war record and purple heart in 2004 campaign (I voted for Kerry). There are some depths to which you just don't sink- even in politics.

Trump needs to drop out of the race. America has seen and heard enough of him.

If NBC hasn't fired him already as host of The Apprentice, they need to.

Ok, but if we rewind back to the last campaign he was running in - the liberals said a whole lot worse about McCain - which included he wasnt a hero. [from what i remember] I believe a lot of what they said was he was a sick [illness] old man who was senile and wasnt a hero...just because he was in Vietnam who nobody wanted us to be in.

Not defending Trump... he seems to not hold back too much on anyone. He needs more discretion.

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