I see no way to fit mtDNA and YDNA with a literal interpretation of Genesis

[serious] · Jul 30, 2015

Aman777 said:
Thanks for the Atheistic opinion. Do you think that you could be more specific like one idea at a time? I will be happy to refute your fringe minority ideas IF you can be specific enough to post them. It's been nice to meet you. Do you get less critical as time goes by? God Bless you

No need to get snippy. As others have said, your posts don't seem to make any identifiable argument, so I generally skip them. Now, I'm a christian, but unless your posts are somehow more intelligible to atheists, I don't think it's them running, as much as just not being able to parse what you are saying into a meaningful statement.

AV1611VET · Jul 30, 2015

[serious] said:
What if that apple was ex nihilo created pre-dropped?

Then it would be evidence of creation.

[serious] · Jul 30, 2015

AV1611VET said:
Then it would be evidence of creation.

but not gravity?

AV1611VET · Jul 31, 2015

[serious] said:
but not gravity?

That is correct.

HOWEVER, scientists would claim it was.

This is where I say evidence can be misleading & misinterpreted.

Aman777 · Jul 31, 2015

Gene2memE said:
1. Anatomically and behaviourally modern humans are around 50-70,000 years old, as indicated by the concordance of evidence from archaeology, anthropology and genetics.

http://www.transpacificproject.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/MigrationAnatomicallyModHumans1.jpg

2. Provide a combination of similar evidence to support your contentions that human are 10 billion years old and first arrived on earth 10,000 years ago.

1. False, since Humans (descendants of Adam) did NOT arrive on this Earth until some 10k years ago. Today's science has falsely classified the sons of God (prehistoric people) as Humans. This completely destroys the idea that prehistoric people evolved their superior intelligence through evolution.

The first Human was made on the 3rd Day from the dust of the ground, Gen 2:4-7 BEFORE the Big Bang of our Cosmos.
The first prehistoric person evolved from the common ancestor of Apes, who evolved from the WATER on the 5th Day, Gen 1:21 but NEVER showed ANY traits of modern Humans because they were NOT Human (descendants of Adam) and did NOT have his unique superior intelligence which is like God's. Gen 3:22 Adam farmed and Cain built a city with NO evolution. Gen 4

2. Adam was made BEFORE the Big Bang of our Cosmos, which happened at the end of the 3rd Day since the FIRST Stars of our Cosmos lit up on the 4th Day Gen 1:16 which was some 500 Million years AFTER the Big Bang. Science agrees that the first stars did NOT light up until long after the Big Bang which is something which NO ancient man could have possibly known. This was only recently discovered by Space Telescopes. Adam was made in a perfect body which is like the immortal bodies which Christians will have in Heaven.

The following Map of the Fertile Crescent shows that the FIRST Farmers, city builders and people who demonstrated the First Traits of modern Humans arrived some 10-12k years ago in man's time. In less that 1% of the time since prehistoric people diverged from Chimps, the arrival of these FIRST Humans began Human civilization on this Earth. http://www.fsmitha.com/h1/map00-fc.html The evidence is clear and completely refutes the False ToE.

Scripture and History AGREE. Humans acquired the DNA of the common ancestor of Apes because Noah's grandsons married and produced today's 7 Billion Humans (descendants of Adam) with the sons of God (prehistoric people) who had been on this Planet for some 6 Million years Gen 6:4 BEFORE the Ark arrived. Amen?

KWCrazy · Jul 31, 2015

I can simplify the argument.

Science tells us that the body begins to decompose after death. Within a few hours the body begins to putrefy. After a day or two in the heat full decomposition has begun. There is now way possible for a man to be dead for three days and come back to life.

So do you believe science or the Lord?

Science can prove (to some) that everything in the Bible is a lie. It has convinced many that the physical laws of the universe are supreme, even over what limited form of god they may allow. With this world view, there are precious few things in the Bible that do not conflict with a naturalistic perception of the world.

We all came first from Adam and then from the family of Noah. We are all brothers because we share the same Father.

Papias · Jul 31, 2015

juvenissun said:
I don't think ICR and other people still stick on the 6000 years figure. They seems loosen it to something like around 10,000 years. In that sense, I don't see any problem to expand it to, say a few million years and still be labelled as YEC.

I don't think they'd agree, but it's your claim not mine.

juvenissun said:
Also, I won't say the 6000 years number is "incorrect". I may still be correct in some senses. We may call it improper (incorrect, if you insist) according to human science.

If I said that the United States Civil War (the one that killed over a half million people) happened from 1950 to 1951, it wouldn't be "improper", nor "just according to human science", it would simply be wrong. It's not "correct in some sense", or "just a loose number". It's wrong.

The same goes for a 6,000 year creation. It's simply wrong. This DNA evidence is yet another way to see that, in addition to all the others.

In Christ-

Papias

PS - I'm going camping now, I'll be back Monday or Tuesday.

Aman777 · Jul 31, 2015

rider99 said:
I can simplify the argument.

Science tells us that the body begins to decompose after death. Within a few hours the body begins to putrefy. After a day or two in the heat full decomposition has begun. There is now way possible for a man to be dead for three days and come back to life.

So do you believe science or the Lord?

Science can prove (to some) that everything in the Bible is a lie. It has convinced many that the physical laws of the universe are supreme, even over what limited form of god they may allow. With this world view, there are precious few things in the Bible that do not conflict with a naturalistic perception of the world.

We all came first from Adam and then from the family of Noah. We are all brothers because we share the same Father.

Amen. Science cannot show that Jesus rose from the dead because it MUST be accepted by Faith, which comes from the Father. Heb 11:6 Everything else can be shown to agree with the discoveries of Science and History. In like manner, the False Theory of Evolution, because it does NOT agree with History Scripture nor Science, is therefore shown to be the biggest Satanic Lie ever told. Amen?

KWCrazy · Jul 31, 2015

Aman777 said:
In like manner, the False Theory of Evolution, because it does NOT agree with History Scripture nor Science, is therefore shown to be the biggest Satanic Lie ever told. Amen?

I agree entirely, though Islam is probably the second biggest lie ever told. It's condemning a billion people to destruction. We know this because Jesus Himself said "I am the way the truth and the light. No man comes to the Father but by me." It's sad that so many good people have been ensnared by the false teaching of a false prophet.

Aman777 · Jul 31, 2015

[serious] said:
No need to get snippy. As others have said, your posts don't seem to make any identifiable argument, so I generally skip them. Now, I'm a christian, but unless your posts are somehow more intelligible to atheists, I don't think it's them running, as much as just not being able to parse what you are saying into a meaningful statement.

My views make some Christians nervous until the find that I'm a fundamentalist Bible believing born again Spiritual Christian who believes every jot and tittle of God's Holy Word. A good example is Gen 2:4-7 which clearly states that Adam was made the SAME Day that his Earth was made, the 3rd Day. Gen 1:9-10 It was AFTER his Earth was made but BEFORE the plants, herbs and trees which GREW on the same 3rd Day. Gen 1:12

The traditional religious view is that Adam was made the 6th Day because Scripture says that he was "created" on the 6th Day. Gen 1:27 and Gen 5:1-2...BUT...

God creating in the past is in the English tense and not in the Hebrew tense of the word which is written in Hebrew imperfect tense which means:

Strong's:>>The imperfect expresses an action, process or condition which is incomplete

God is STILL creating Adam (Heb-mankind) in His Image which is Spiritually in Christ Today. We are still living at Genesis 1:27 and we will NOT advance to the Prophecy of Gen 1:28-31 until AFTER Jesus returns to this Earth.

As you can see, God's Creation continues on the present 6th Day/Age and God (The Trinity) will NOT rest or Cease from creating New creatures in Christ, until Heaven is filled with ALL of it's host of born again Bible believing Spiritual Christians. Gen 2:1

Gen 2:1 ¶ Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, (Heb-complete) and ALL the host of them.

When Heaven is filled with every Christian and God's work is finished, God will rest or cease creating from ***ALL*** of His work as Gen 2:2-3 REPEATs. Amen?

Loudmouth · Jul 31, 2015

Aman777 said:
I've noticed that some scientists avoid me like the plague.

You avoid scientific evidence like the plague.

Aman777 · Jul 31, 2015

Loudmouth said:
You avoid scientific evidence like the plague.

How would you know since you've never provided any?

Loudmouth · Jul 31, 2015

Aman777 said:
How would you know since you've never provided any?

The mutations that separate humans from other apes are responsible for the increased intelligence in humans.

Aman777 · Jul 31, 2015

Loudmouth said:
The mutations that separate humans from other apes are responsible for the increased intelligence in humans.

Sure, it's magic, huh? Eons of positive mutations happened once and can NEVER be repeated again. That MUST have been it, Evolutionists preach. Just believe us even though it disagrees with Scripture and History and we cannot tell you How or When this magical event took place; just believe us anyway, these Scoffers of the last days preach. Where's the Beef?

Loudmouth · Jul 31, 2015

Aman777 said:
Sure, it's magic, huh?

It's developmental biology, not magic.

Eons of positive mutations happened once and can NEVER be repeated again.

That's how evolution works. Once a population splits into two non-interbreeding populations, they start accumulating different mutations. What you get are lineages with lineage specific mutations. If you think I am wrong, then please tell me how a mutation in the modern human population is supposed to find its way into the chimp population.

That MUST have been it, Evolutionists preach. Just believe us even though it disagrees with Scripture and History and we cannot tell you How or When this magical event took place; just believe us anyway, these Scoffers of the last days preach. Where's the Beef?

We can tell you when it happened. It happened over the last 5 million years. The bases where the chimp and human genomes differ is where it happened. We have the evidence that it did happen.

fat wee robin · Aug 1, 2015

Aman777 said:
I understand. You believe by faith the traditional religious view of the Creation. It makes you nervous when another Christian shows you something with a different viewpoint to the traditional view. My view supposes that God is the Supreme Intelligence of Creation and He has hidden His Truth from unbelievers in order to save only those who accept Jesus by Faith, which He gives to all those who seek it. Heb 11:6

God tells us HOW He has hidden His Truth:

Dan 12:4 But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.

It's now the time of the end because God's scientific knowledge in Genesis is just now being discovered by mankind. I show the agreement of Scripture Science and History which ONLY God could have possibly known 3k years ago. It's all there in Genesis and I love to share it's Truth with others. God Bless you

fat wee robin · Aug 1, 2015

I am with you Aman, I put it at ,10,000 11,000 years .I think that what you have written makes a lot of sense . I am sorry impossible for me to write much as this 'sight' eats words .

[serious] · Aug 1, 2015

Aman777 said:
My views make some Christians nervous until the find that I'm a fundamentalist Bible believing born again Spiritual Christian who believes every jot and tittle of God's Holy Word. A good example is Gen 2:4-7 which clearly states that Adam was made the SAME Day that his Earth was made, the 3rd Day. Gen 1:9-10 It was AFTER his Earth was made but BEFORE the plants, herbs and trees which GREW on the same 3rd Day. Gen 1:12

The traditional religious view is that Adam was made the 6th Day because Scripture says that he was "created" on the 6th Day. Gen 1:27 and Gen 5:1-2...BUT...

God creating in the past is in the English tense and not in the Hebrew tense of the word which is written in Hebrew imperfect tense which means:

Strong's:>>The imperfect expresses an action, process or condition which is incomplete

God is STILL creating Adam (Heb-mankind) in His Image which is Spiritually in Christ Today. We are still living at Genesis 1:27 and we will NOT advance to the Prophecy of Gen 1:28-31 until AFTER Jesus returns to this Earth.

As you can see, God's Creation continues on the present 6th Day/Age and God (The Trinity) will NOT rest or Cease from creating New creatures in Christ, until Heaven is filled with ALL of it's host of born again Bible believing Spiritual Christians. Gen 2:1

Gen 2:1 ¶ Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, (Heb-complete) and ALL the host of them.

When Heaven is filled with every Christian and God's work is finished, God will rest or cease creating from ***ALL*** of His work as Gen 2:2-3 REPEATs. Amen?

This is a perfect example of what I'm talking about. You've just posted a rather large section on how how we should interpret the days of creation and apparently some cyclical universe theory, but the subject of the thread is mtDNA and the Y chromosome. Since I don't see any argument made concerning the subjects currently at issue, I don't really have any reason to respond to your rather unconventional reading of Genesis. Don't get me wrong, I've got no particular issue with your interpretation, it's just not relevant to this thread in any way I see.

Aman777 · Aug 1, 2015

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Aman:>>Sure, it's magic, huh?

Loud:>>It's developmental biology, not magic.

Eons of positive mutations happened once and can NEVER be repeated again.

Loud:>>That's how evolution works. Once a population splits into two non-interbreeding populations, they start accumulating different mutations. What you get are lineages with lineage specific mutations. If you think I am wrong, then please tell me how a mutation in the modern human population is supposed to find its way into the chimp population.

Simple. All you have to do is contaminate the Chimps' blood with Human blood. The SAME thing happened to Noah's great grandson Nimrod, Gen 10:10 who had a Human dad and a prehistoric mom with the DNA and ERVs of the common ancestor of Apes within HER blood..

Aman777 · Aug 1, 2015

Aman:>>That MUST have been it, Evolutionists preach. Just believe us even though it disagrees with Scripture and History and we cannot tell you How or When this magical event took place; just believe us anyway, these Scoffers of the last days preach. Where's the Beef?

Loud:>>We can tell you when it happened. It happened over the last 5 million years. The bases where the chimp and human genomes differ is where it happened. We have the evidence that it did happen.

No you don't. You have evidence for the changes within the sons of God kind or those people who were created from the WATER on the 5th Day. Gen 1:21 FYI, Humans and prehistoric people were NOT related. It's the part of God's plan which shows the Falseness of the Theory of Evolutionism, or the False Religion of those who worship at the Altar of man's False Theories. Amen?

I see no way to fit mtDNA and YDNA with a literal interpretation of Genesis

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