Will priests be allowed to marry again ?

kit said:

Pederasty is relations between a man and a pubescent or adolescent boy. Pedophilia is the abuse of prepubescent children. Both were issues. Pederasty is not a homosexual issue per se as homosexual men are no more likely to be pederasts as heterosexual are to be ephebophiles.

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It was a homosexual issue in the church because the overwhelming majority of the abused were boys.

ebia said:

Far more likely from the data seems to be that it's about access. It's those slightly older boys that the priests had unquestioning access to as it was those that the culture wanted the priests to mentor.

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The point is that pedophiles don't go for teenage boys, and pederasts/ephebophiles don't go for young children.

kit said:

Pederasty is relations between a man and a pubescent or adolescent boy. Pedophilia is the abuse of prepubescent children. Both were issues. Pederasty is not a homosexual issue per se as homosexual men are no more likely to be pederasts as heterosexual are to be ephebophiles.

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have we proven this?
that homosexual men are just as likely to have sexual relations with adolescents as heterosexual men?

Open Heart said:

The point is that pedophiles don't go for teenage boys, and pederasts/ephebophiles don't go for young children.

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I wouldn't claim expertise in the distinction, but I'd be skeptical of hard and fast ones. But it's beside the point, which was dealing with the slur of equating the sexual abuse of children with homosexuality.

mark46 said:

If you believe that Scripture requires that men be married, then you are incorrect. That was a Jewish teaching for those of the Sandhedren. Many Protestant churches strongly prefer their pastors to be married, but I don't think it is the fact that there are no unmarried clergy.

With regard to 1st Timothy which requires that a pastor be of one wife, this is a prohibition against polygamy.

Do YOU believe that Scripture prohibits single men from being pastors?

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As I mentioned on another thread, Jesus was given the opportunity to ban Levirate marriage in Matt 22:22-33. He refused to do so so that it proves a man can have more than one wife. This, however, is a different matter from the topic so let's keep to the matter at hand.


As for single men being pastors, one need only look at the Apostles.

HonestTruth said:

As I mentioned on another thread, Jesus was given the opportunity to ban Levirate marriage in Matt 22:22-33. He refused to do so so that it proves a man can have more than one wife. This, however, is a different matter from the topic so let's keep to the matter at hand.


As for single men being pastors, one need only look at the Apostles.

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And see what?

and see that preachers/apostles/whatever were qualified to be clergy

Remember that the entire congregation is a "royal priesthood" - I Peter 2:9. Therefore, contrary to teachings in just about every church, everyone can be a priest.

HonestTruth said:

and see that preachers/apostles/whatever were qualified to be clergy

Remember that the entire congregation is a "royal priesthood" - I Peter 2:9. Therefore, contrary to teachings in just about every church, everyone can be a priest.

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yes, there is the priesthood of all believers
this is separate from the ordained priesthood

just as all were part of the royal priesthood, but not all were counted as being Apostles
1 Corinthians 12:28
And God has placed in the church first of all apostles, second prophets, third teachers, then miracles, then gifts of healing, of helping, of guidance, and of different kinds of tongues.

we have priests who are married
but that is not the norm in the Latin Rite
and there are even many Priests in the Eastern Rites who are celibate as well

ordination:

http://www.gotquestions.org/ordination.html

http://www.openbible.info/topics/ordination



it is done by appointment, not by going to school and getting a license, as ultimately it is God who decides who is a priest or of whatever office

please do not spam this thread with links to Evangelical websites

this is in the Catholic subforum

Rhamiel said:

that homosexual men are just as likely to have sexual relations with adolescents as heterosexual men?

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Regardless, in the Catholic priest scandal, the MAJORITY of molests were with young teenage boys. Thus, it is a gay thing.

ebia said:

the slur of equating the sexual abuse of children with homosexuality.

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I'm not doing that. I'm saying that in the particular scandal of the Catholic church, the majority of the victims were young teenage boys, and so it was a gay thing.

HonestTruth said:

and see that preachers/apostles/whatever were qualified to be clergy

Remember that the entire congregation is a "royal priesthood" - I Peter 2:9. Therefore, contrary to teachings in just about every church, everyone can be a priest.

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Book III of the Apostolic Constitutions (4th century) says: for there is no necessity that the women should be seen by the men; but only in the laying on of hands the bishop shall anoint her head, as the priests and kings were formerly anointed, not because those which are now baptized are ordained priests, but as being Christians, or anointed, from Christ the Anointed, "a royal priesthood, and an holy nation, the Church of God, the pillar and ground of the marriage-chamber". (emphasis added)

The Church has always maintained that the ordained priest is set apart, so we must not therefore make the mistake that all may be treated as priests, or that there is no difference between the priest and the layperson because they are all part of the same community.

I know this is the only heresy left in the modern world, but not everything is meant for everyone, and I can't think of anything that this is more appropriate to say about than the priesthood.

Open Heart said:

Regardless, in the Catholic priest scandal, the MAJORITY of molests were with young teenage boys. Thus, it is a gay thing.

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I agree

I think that having sex with a 15 year old is inappropriate and immoral
but it is VERY different then molesting a 6 year old

it is not a difference of degree, it is a totally different impulse

dzheremi said:

I know this is the only heresy left in the modern world, but not everything is meant for everyone, and I can't think of anything that this is more appropriate to say about than the priesthood.

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Yes! It kind of reminds me of the man in Life of Brian who wanted to have a baby, and since he could not have one, he insisted that he still had the RIGHT to have a baby.

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HonestTruth said:

and see that preachers/apostles/whatever were qualified to be clergy

Remember that the entire congregation is a "royal priesthood" - I Peter 2:9. Therefore, contrary to teachings in just about every church, everyone can be a priest.

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Equivocation on the word "priest".

Priest has two meanings in english. The original one is presbyter - elder - and not everyone is an elder.

Open Heart said:

I'm not doing that. I'm saying that in the particular scandal of the Catholic church, the majority of the victims were young teenage boys, and so it was a gay thing.

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"I'm not doing x", then does exactly x.


Abusing adolescent boys is not the same as homosexuality. Any more than abusing young girls is the same as heterosexuality. It's not the same group. It's not the same drivers. ...

Primarily, there's every reason to think it's mostly boys that were abused because of opportunity, and no other reason.

ebia said:

Priest has two meanings in english. The original one is presbyter - elder - and not everyone is an elder.

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Yes sirree.

ebia said:

Abusing adolescent boys is not the same as homosexuality. Any more than abusing young girls is the same as heterosexuality.

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Yes it is, both.