The Trinity

justlookinla said:

I'm sticking with the passage in question, the one where Paul identified only one God....the Father. The topic is concerning Jesus being God or not.

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I'm not asking you to change your understanding, I'm asking you to explain how your understanding works with God's command to not worship any other gods, when according to your understanding God exalted Jesus to the status of deity. Come on, stop trying to change the topic so you don't have to answer the question. Evading the question is low for anyone on these threads and at this point, it is obvious you are trying to evade the question not just missing it.

It does quite the opposite. It never places Jesus in the position of God for there's only God, Jesus' God......God the Father.

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and yet we are told to worship Jesus in this very passage in question....why would we be told to worship Jesus if He is not a deity? Why would God the Father anoint His very name to be above every name, even the name of God the Father?

If you can support your view that God anointing Jesus makes Him God, please post the scripture.

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it's in the very context of this passage, as in the entire sentence...come on, even you know that...don't play dumb just answer the question.

Jesus and God aren't the same. One is God, one isn't.

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that is the theory that spurs the question you are refusing to answer....

Nope, there's only one deity....Jesus and Mary's God, God the Father. Who anointed Jesus. Not God anointing God with an anointing God didn't previously have.

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so, let's try this another way...according to the context, which again you claimed to be using, what position did God anoint Jesus to? Specifically....let's see if you are really willing to even say what scripture says, that will go a long way in understanding why you refuse to answer the question and still give you the benefit of the doubt. According to the context of the passage, what position did God the Father exalt Jesus to?

He doesn't.
Post the scripture which indicates that Jesus is above His God and Father.

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I did several times already...it is the context of the passage in question. IOW's looking at the entire sentence, what position did God the Father exalt Jesus to? No more evading the questions asked, put it all out there so that everyone reading can judge for themselves, I'm sure anyone listening in is tired of you evading the questions.

justlookinla said:

Jesus isn't worshiped as God, He's worshiped as the Christ, the anointed of God. His God and Father instructs angels to worship Jesus.

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So, according to you, this passage that says "EVERY KNEE WILL BOW IN HEAVEN AND EARTH" means only angels... right, and I bet you have some swamp land in Fl. to sell us too.

razzelflabben said:

I'm not asking you to change your understanding, I'm asking you to explain how your understanding works with God's command to not worship any other gods, when according to your understanding God exalted Jesus to the status of deity.

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Ok, where did God exalt Jesus to the status of God? Scripture please.

Dup

razzelflabben said:

So, according to you, this passage that says "EVERY KNEE WILL BOW IN HEAVEN AND EARTH" means only angels... right, and I bet you have some swamp land in Fl. to sell us too.

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Nope, but it does mean that simply because Jesus' God instructed angels to worship Jesus doesn't mean that He's God.

justlookinla said:

Ok, where did God exalt Jesus to the status of God? Scripture please.

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Philippians 2:9-11...you know, the context of the passage in question...not even context really, just the entire sentence....I've not only told you this repeatedly but cut and pasted it enough for even the hardest of hearts to know what we are talking about.

You know, it never ceases to amaze me just how complete people allow themselves to be deceived, your game here proves my point. You are so painfully deceived that you can't even acknowledge the context of the passage in question. Forget what truth is or isn't, your deception is so complete you can't even acknowledge that there is context to the passage. That is bad, in fact, it is so bad I am beginning to feel a bit bad about pushing you so hard.

razzelflabben said:

Philippians 2:9-11...you know, the context of the passage in question...not even context really, just the entire sentence....I've not only told you this repeatedly but cut and pasted it enough for even the hardest of hearts to know what we are talking about.

You know, it never ceases to amaze me just how complete people allow themselves to be deceived, your game here proves my point. You are so painfully deceived that you can't even acknowledge the context of the passage in question. Forget what truth is or isn't, your deception is so complete you can't even acknowledge that there is context to the passage. That is bad, in fact, it is so bad I am beginning to feel a bit bad about pushing you so hard.

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Where in Phil 2:9-11 did God exalt Jesus to the status of God? Please post the passage.

justlookinla said:

Nope, but it does mean that simply because Jesus' God instructed angels to worship Jesus doesn't mean that He's God.

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huh? You didn't even attempt to answer again...the scripture says that every knee will bow and every tongue confess that Jesus is Lord, that is, every knee and every tongue in heaven and on earth. Yet when I pressed you, you claimed that angels will worship Jesus. So you want me to believe that every knee and every tongue in heaven and earth is referring only to angels...sorry I don't buy that, can you prove your claim in scripture, either that or admit that isn't what you meant to say at all.

justlookinla said:

Where in Phil 2:9-11 did God exalt Jesus to the status of God? Please post the passage.

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Really?!? You are really this far removed from reality? Every knee will bow, every tongue confess, both in heaven and on earth...this is an act of worship...like I said, so we are told here to worship Jesus but scripture is clear that we are not to worship anyone but God Himself, so why would God command us to worship Him alone and them exalt Jesus to the position of requiring us to worship Him? I really am starting to feel sorry for you.

razzelflabben said:

huh? You didn't even attempt to answer again...the scripture says that every knee will bow and every tongue confess that Jesus is Lord, that is, every knee and every tongue in heaven and on earth. Yet when I pressed you, you claimed that angels will worship Jesus. So you want me to believe that every knee and every tongue in heaven and earth is referring only to angels...sorry I don't buy that, can you prove your claim in scripture, either that or admit that isn't what you meant to say at all.

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I provided the passage where Jesus' (and Mary's) God and Father instructed angels to worship Jesus. This isn't God making Jesus God.

razzelflabben said:

Really?!? You are really this far removed from reality? Every knee will bow, every tongue confess, both in heaven and on earth...this is an act of worship...like I said, so we are told here to worship Jesus but scripture is clear that we are not to worship anyone but God Himself, so why would God command us to worship Him alone and them exalt Jesus to the position of requiring us to worship Him? I really am starting to feel sorry for you.

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Maybe if we take it a verse at a time you might understand the passage better.

Php 2:9 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:

Now, did God exalt God and give God a name which is above every name?

justlookinla said:

I provided the passage where Jesus' (and Mary's) God and Father instructed angels to worship Jesus. This isn't God making Jesus God.

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but you didn't show any passage that said that "every knee and every tongue in heaven and earth" refers to only angels...where I come from every means every or all, not just the ones that make us comfortable.

justlookinla said:

Maybe if we take it a verse at a time you might understand the passage better.

Php 2:9 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:

Now, did God exalt God and give God a name which is above every name?

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according to your theory, Jesus isn't God, since we are only looking at your theory here, no, He exalted a mere man above every other name, that would include but not be limited to God the Father's name. But you have to know this by now, at this point, you have to just be playing a game to try to make me give up on asking.

razzelflabben said:

but you didn't show any passage that said that "every knee and every tongue in heaven and earth" refers to only angels...where I come from every means every or all, not just the ones that make us comfortable.

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I showed that worship doesn't make Jesus God.

Well, time for me to be off the computer for the night, I will pray that the scales fall from your eyes, but truthfully, it is up to you to seek enough healing to be able to see what is clearly written and no, I am not talking here about me being right and you wrong, I am talking about being able to actually see the text, so far, you even deny the text is there, which is pretty disturbing, but the story you insist we go with.

razzelflabben said:

according to your theory, Jesus isn't God, since we are only looking at your theory here, no, He exalted a mere man above every other name, that would include but not be limited to God the Father's name. But you have to know this by now, at this point, you have to just be playing a game to try to make me give up on asking.

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Right, God did not exalt God and give Him a name above every other name. He exalted His Son and gave Him a name above every other name. This means that this part of the passage in discussion does not indicate that Jesus is God but quite the opposite.

justlookinla said:

I showed that worship doesn't make Jesus God.

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again, that wasn't the question...the question was...why when scripture tells us to only worship God, does God exalt Jesus, a mere human to the position of being worshiped by all living beings? I said nothing in the question at all about Jesus being God, in fact, the question only fits if Jesus isn't God.

razzelflabben said:

Well, time for me to be off the computer for the night, I will pray that the scales fall from your eyes, but truthfully, it is up to you to seek enough healing to be able to see what is clearly written and no, I am not talking here about me being right and you wrong, I am talking about being able to actually see the text, so far, you even deny the text is there, which is pretty disturbing, but the story you insist we go with.

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Ok, we'll continue this when you get back.

justlookinla said:

Right, God did not exalt God and give Him a name above every other name. He exalted His Son and gave Him a name above every other name. This means that this part of the passage in discussion does not indicate that Jesus is God but quite the opposite.

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Huh? what are you trying to claim now? If Jesus isn't God, then He is a man that is exalted to the position of worship when we are told that only God is to be worshiped...this is what you need to show me how to reconcile.

remember, the question only can be asked of your understanding, because the understanding of trinity leaves no such quandary.

razzelflabben said:

Huh? what are you trying to claim now? If Jesus isn't God, then He is a man that is exalted to the position of worship when we are told that only God is to be worshiped...this is what you need to show me how to reconcile.

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You need to go so we'll continue this whenever you get back.