Organizing an underground church in the west

So, where do we start?

Christus Discipulus said:

Wouldn't an "underground" Christian church be a violation of Christ's teachings? Are we not called to shine our light?

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No, look at China. They have underground churches. I suspect that the early church, who also was underground had lots of time to shine light when not meeting.

Albion said:

Why should we start?

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Would you rather a church had to hire same sex folks, marry them, and pass out contraceptives and etc etc?

AphroditeGoneAwry said:

Who are the elders going to be?

The brothers?

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I don't know the story, but I suspect that is some cult.

Albion said:

Of course not. However, there are many churches and denominations that are as opposed to such things as you are. Finding one of their congregations shouldn't be difficult.

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You don't get it. they will lose their tax deduction status probably if they do not comply. Is that news? There is also hate laws, and many seek to get the bible considered hate material. There are legal suits etc. The stage is set for the final scene.

Albion said:

What kind of tax exemption do you think your underground church is going to get?

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What sort did the underground railway get? How much money does one need to sing a few hymns and read the bible a bit under the radar?

That's what I figured you were thinking of. For myself, I'll stay above ground until, and if, all of that comes to pass. You should, too. It's not a solution to boycott church in expectation that, years from now, something like you've described might happen.

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Maybe that is right. However, sometimes one sees a freight train coming and gets off the track.

Albion said:

When you do see it coming, get off the track. Right now, you're only anticipating that it will come into view one of these days.

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"
U.S. District Judge Carlton Reeves said the Rankin, Miss., public school district defied his prior order barring prayer at school events by allowing Rev. Rob Gill to begin an assembly honoring students with above-average ACT scores with a prayer.

“The district’s breach did not take very long and it occurred in a very bold way,” Reeves stated. “Its conduct displays that the district did not make any effort to adhere to the agreed judgment.”

The judge, appointed by Obama in 2010, also barred the distribution of Bibles on the school district’s campuses by Gideons International, the evangelical Christian association best known for placing Bibles in hotel rooms."

http://www.infowars.com/obama-judge-fines-school-over-christian-prayer/

Looking at how these sort of laws work, we see this, in Denmark.

"The country's parliament voted through the new law on same-sex marriage by a large majority, making it mandatory for all churches to conduct gay marriages."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...ish-couples-win-right-to-marry-in-church.html

No self respecting honest church that honored scripture would dream of doing that.

revanneosl said:

Is it possible that some folks just enjoy being afraid? Is adrenaline addictive?

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I guess we should pretend that anti Christ laws are not now in effect and can and will be used to destroy the power of bible believers.

Rather than have my property seized for back taxes or a legal suit< I'd rather sell in advance, pay any applicable taxes, and use the money for something I chose.

tulc said:

tulc(wonders if you're saying you're ready to follow after the Lord till the bitter end...as long as your church doesn't have to pay taxes?)

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I don't go to church. If there was an honest church somewhere, I would rather see them escape waith the money rather than getting their land confiscated and losing all for nothing.

Arcangl86 said:

The first involves a school promoting religion, which is a 1st amendment violation. The second case would be worrying, if not for the fact that the Church of Denmark is an established state church. Such a creature doesn't exist here. I wonder if people realize that when they post links to cases in England and Denmark, or legitimately think that the political and ecclesiastical situation is the same here.

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"The largest gay group in one Western state is demanding that Churches who follow the Bible be shut down by the government."

http://toprightnews.com/gay-group-d...-be-shut-down-for-opposing-same-sex-marriage/

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His concerns are not without cause. Over the past decade, when local courts began legalizing same-sex marriage, civil marriage commissioners in Canada have been compelled to perform same-sex marriages, or risk losing their jobs. Private companies have also fired employees for expressing opinions against same-sex marriage.

Religious ministers, including a Catholic bishop, have been accused of civil rights violations and threatened with lawsuits because of sermons, pastoral letters and newspaper columns that defended traditional marriage.

A Knights of Columbus council in British Columbia was fined $1,000 for not renting out a facility to a lesbian couple. Meanwhile, school curricula throughout Canada has been rewritten to incorporate same-sex marriage and alternative lifestyles into almost every subject, including math, and parents who have requested advance notice of those lessons have been turned down by school boards. Public and private schools, including Catholic schools, have been mandated in some provinces to institute gay-straight student alliances."

https://www.osv.com/myfaith/modelso...-on-canadian-church-society.aspx?ref=hptopics

If you can't see the coming storm, don't blame me.