If Gods Law is Perfect, why is it called a curse if you cant keep it perfeclty?

disciple1 said:

1 Peter chapter 4 verse 8
8 Above all, love each other deeply, because love covers over a multitude of sins.

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It's good that you can read verses, but it would be helpful to you to first understand them before you quote them.

SAAN said:

I think many on here are scared that their faith will be challenged and what they think is right and been taught might be wrong if they read something in context.

If you are truly strong in your faith, hearing side B of an argument never hurts. It can make your faith stronger and possibly clear up any misunderstandings as well.

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I hate to just ask someone to watch something, but he explains is so much better than I could and it beats going back over arguments that have already been made. I think every Christian would benefit from listening to those audio lessons on Galatians and Romans, even if they don't agree with everything that is said.

Soyeong said:

I hate to just ask someone to watch something, but he explains is so much better than I could and it beats going back over arguments that have already been made. I think every Christian would benefit from listening to those audio lessons on Galatians and Romans, even if they don't agree with everything that is said.

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I've prayed for wisdom and understanding 19 years, how about you, I've studied the bible 33 years, and God has nothing good to say about pastors, you don't obey the law no one ever has except Christ.
Jeremiah chapter 22 verse 16
He defended the cause of the poor and needy, and so all went well. Is that not what it means to know me?" declares the LORD.

SAAN said:

You do realize when you dont worship other gods, commit idolatry, take Gods name in vein, respect your parents, dont kill, steal, lie, commit adultery or covet, that you are actually keeping the Torah.

Jesus taught from the Torah and all the laws from the NT are all pulled from the OT, so Jesus didnt bring a new doctrine. All Jesus did was explain them correctly to the Jew who added all sorts of other man made laws to protect the actual law.

You can be genuinely wrong for 19 yrs too.

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1 John chapter 1 verse 8
If anyone claims to be without sin they deceive themselves and the truth is not in them.
James chapter 2 verse 10
If anyone keeps the whole law yet stumbles at just one point there guilty of breaking all of it.
Matthew 11
28 “Come to me, all you who are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest. 29 Take my yoke upon you and learn from me, for I am gentle and humble in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. 30 For my yoke is easy and my burden is light.”
2nd John
6 And this is love: that we walk in obedience to his commands. As you have heard from the beginning, his command is that you walk in love.
1 Peter chapter 4 verse 8
8 Above all, love each other deeply, because love covers over a multitude of sins.
1 John chapter 4 verse 8, 16

Says God is love.

I'll go with love rather than bear a heavy burden that no one but Christ has ever been able to carry.

disciple1 said:

I've prayed for wisdom and understanding 19 years, how about you, I've studied the bible 33 years, and God has nothing good to say about pastors, you don't obey the law no one ever has except Christ.
Jeremiah chapter 22 verse 16
He defended the cause of the poor and needy, and so all went well. Is that not what it means to know me?" declares the LORD.

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What do you say to people who have studied the Bible and prayed for wisdom for almost as long or longer than you have, but come to an different understanding of the Bible than you? We're not perfect, we've all been wrong about many things in the past, will likely be wrong about many things in the future, and therefore we are likely wrong about many things in the present, we just don't know which things they are. But don't you want to find out which things those are? The only way to find out is to listen to someone who holds a different opinion than you and try to evaluate them as objectively as you can to determine whether anything that they said has any merit.

The Bible does not speak against teachers in general and in fact, Jesus as all of the apostles were teachers. When Jesus gave the Great Commission, he told his disciples to go make their own disciples, teaching them everything that he had taught them. Teaching how to live rightly is an essential part Christianity, so while the Bible does speak against false teachers, you should not confuse that as being against teachers in general. Even now, you are trying to teach me about how you think the Bible should be correctly understood and I'm trying to do the same to you. It wouldn't hurt you to listen to it, it might surprise you.

Soyeong said:

What do you say to people who have studied the Bible and prayed for wisdom for almost as long or longer than you have, but come to an different understanding of the Bible than you? We're not perfect, we've all been wrong about many things in the past, will likely be wrong about many things in the future, and therefore we are likely wrong about many things in the present, we just don't know which things they are. But don't you want to find out which things those are? The only way to find out is to listen to someone who holds a different opinion than you and try to evaluate them as objectively as you can to determine whether anything that they said has any merit.

The Bible does not speak against teachers in general and in fact, Jesus as all of the apostles were teachers. When Jesus gave the Great Commission, he told his disciples to go make their own disciples, teaching them everything that he had taught them. Teaching how to live rightly is an essential part Christianity, so while the Bible does speak against false teachers, you should not confuse that as being against teachers in general. Even now, you are trying to teach me about how you think the Bible should be correctly understood and I'm trying to do the same to you. It wouldn't hurt you to listen to it, it might surprise you.

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John chapter 8 verse 31,32
To the Jews who believed him Jesus said if you hold to my teaching you are really my disciples and you will know the truth and the truth will set you free.
(If their free they know what their talking about.)
Matthew 11
28 “Come to me, all you who are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest. 29 Take my yoke upon you and learn from me, for I am gentle and humble in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. 30 For my yoke is easy and my burden is light.”
(If we are under the law that's not an easy burden and it's not light.)

SAAN said:

No one said they are without sin, we are all sinners that need the blood of Jesus to cover our sins.

James 2 is speaking of not showing favoritism and is pointing out one sin not greater than the other.

Matthew 11 is correct, Christ is the way.

And for anything else in regards to Love, the commandments are summed up as Love, so you cant do away with something the bible says is summed up as Love.

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Galatians chapter 3 verse 24,25,23
So the law was put in charge to lead us to Christ that we must be justified by faith now that faith has come we are no longer under the supervision of the law before this faith came we were held prisoners by the law locked up until faith should be revealed.
Galatians chapter 5 verse 6
The only thing that counts is faith expressing itself in love.

SAAN said:

I think whats still applicable, many do obey it whether they know it or not. Might not be perfect at it, but we still are keeping a majority of the Torah.

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When we treat somebody like we want to be treated we do the law of Christ. This is the biggest commandment.

Ken Yehuwdiy said:

When we treat somebody like we want to be treated we do the law of Christ. This is the biggest commandment.

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This might be more what you want.
1 Peter chapter 4 verse 8
8 Above all, love each other deeply, because love covers over a multitude of sins.
Matthew chapter 25 verses 31-46
When the Son of Man comes" in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit on his throne in heavenly glory. All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. he will put the sheep on his right and the goats on his left. Then the King will say to those on his right, Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world. For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me. then the righteous will answer him, Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? When did we see you sick or in prison and got visit you? The King will reply, I tell you the truth, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers of mine, you did for me. Then he will say to those on his left, Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.They also will answer, Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you? He will reply, I tell you the truth, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me. Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.

For the record, I know many people who obsessively read the Bible cover to cover and still hold all kinds of ridiculous ideas. Most of the time, it isn't about them wanting to stick to Biblical teaching -- it's about them believing they have special, superior knowledge of God, so far advanced that other mere mortals can teach them nothing. It is usually a waste of time to reason with them no matter how many verses you mention about the corporate church.

Ken Yehuwdiy said:

When we treat somebody like we want to be treated we do the law of Christ. This is the biggest commandment.

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disciple1 said:

This might be more what you want.

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What do you mean? I was referring slightly to the second commandment of Christ with my earlier remark.

disciple1 said:

Matthew chapter 25
then the righteous will answer him, Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? When did we see you sick or in prison and got visit you? The King will reply, I tell you the truth, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers of mine, you did for me.

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This is the second commandment in other words.

Interestingly about the part you cited from Matthew is that after we have read it, who can say he didn't know when Jesus was hungry and in need of clothing? So, who will be righteous after reading that?

Cloture said:

For the record, I know many people who obsessively read the Bible cover to cover and still hold all kinds of ridiculous ideas. Most of the time, it isn't about them wanting to stick to Biblical teaching -- it's about them believing they have special, superior knowledge of God, so far advanced that other mere mortals can teach them nothing. It is usually a waste of time to reason with them no matter how many verses you mention about the corporate church.

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I agree with you completely, but we won't know until Jesus comes back or we die.
John chapter 15 verse 20
Remember what I told you: 'A servant is not greater than his master.' If they persecuted me, they will persecute you also. If they obeyed my teaching, they will obey yours also.

SAAN said:

Psalm 19:7(NKJV)
7 The law of the Lord is perfect, converting the soul;
The testimony of the Lord is sure, making wise the simple;


Galatians 3:10 (NKJV)
10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse; for it is written, “Cursed is everyone who does not continue in all things which are written in the book of the law, to do them.”

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Romans 7 God's Law is "Holy Just and Good"
Even the failing saint of Rom 7 "agrees with the Law" of God.

12 So then, the Law is holy, and the commandment is holy and righteous and good.
13 Therefore did that which is good become a cause of death for me? May it never be! Rather it was sin, in order that it might be shown to be sin by effecting my death through that which is good, so that through the commandment sin would become utterly sinful.

The Conflict of Two Natures
14 For we know that the Law is spiritual, but I am of flesh, sold into bondage to sin. 15 For what I am doing, I do not understand; for I am not practicing what I would like to do, but I am doing the very thing I hate. 16 But if I do the very thing I do not want to do, I agree with the Law, confessing that the Law is good.

But for the lost person - the Law points out the need of salvation - condemning all under sin. Still -- to this very day.

Rom 3
19 Now we know that whatever the Law says, it speaks to those who are under the Law, so that every mouth may be closed and all the world may become accountable to God; 20 because by the works of the Law no flesh will be justified in His sight; for through the Law comes the knowledge of sin.

disciple1 said:

Psalm 119 verse 99
I have more insight than all my teachers, for I meditate on your statutes.

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Nice!

Thanks for posting that.

disciple1 said:

You don't obey the law, no one does.
1 Timothy chapter 1 verse 7,8
They want to be teachers of the law but they do not know what they are talking about or what they so confidently affirm. We know the law is good if one uses it properly.

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some do not submit to the law of God - neither indeed can they. This is the case for all the lost as Paul reminds us in Romans 8:4-9. But Paul says "you are not" in that group if you are born again, freed from slavery to sin etc.

BobRyan said:

some do not submit to the law of God - neither indeed can they. This is the case for all the lost as Paul reminds us in Romans 8:4-9. But Paul says "you are not" in that group if you are born again, freed from slavery to sin etc.

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YOU DON'T OBEY THE LAW YOUR A SINNER THE SAME AS EVERYONE ELSE, SO WHY DO YOU PREACH SOMETHING YOU DON'T OBEY, YOUR PROBABLY CONDEMING YOURSELF. CHRIST SET US FREE FROM THE LAW.
Galatians chapter 4 verse 21-31
Tell me you who want to be under the law, are you not aware of what the law says? For it is written that Abraham had two sons,one by the slave woman and the other by the free woman. His son by the slave woman was born in the ordinary way; but his son by the free woman was born as the result of a promise.
These things may be taken figuratively, for the women represent two covenants. One covenant is from Mount Sinai and bears children who are to be slaves: This is Hagar. now Hagar stands for Mount Sinai in Arabia and corresponds to the present city of Jerusalem, because she is in slavery with her children. But the Jerusalem that is above is free, and she is our mother. For it is written: "be glad, O barren woman, who bears no children; break forth and cry aloud, you who have no labor pains; because more are the children of the desolate woman than of her who has a husband. Now you, brothers, like Isaac, are children of promise. At that time the son born in the ordinary way persecuted the son born by the power of the Spirit. It is the same now. But what does the Scripture say? Get rid of the slave woman and her son, for the slave woman's son will never share in the inheritance with the free woman's son Therefore, brothers, we are not children of the slave woman, but of the free woman.
1 Kings chapter 8 verse 46 When they sin against you for there is no one who does not sin
2 Chronicles chapter 6 verse 36 When they sin against you for there is no one who does not sin
1John chapter 1 verse 8 If anyone claims to be without sin they deceive themselves and the truth is not in them.
James chapter 2 verse 10 If anyone keeps the whole law yet stumbles at just one point there guilty of breaking all of it.
Galatians chapter 5 verse 14 the entire law is summed up in a single command love your neighbor as your self.