She Came to Divide & Destroy, No?

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She does not sound she was of God at all. I would question a church that would allow that into its pulpit.

That's the thing though, I feel like she is a wolf in sheep's clothing who has pulled the wool over the eyes of people as she's someone who's been trusted for years. It is a good church community, our regular pastor is a man of God. But because of her I almost did not join this church (this is definitely where God wants me right now). The first time I heard her preach I picked up on that something was very off with her. She seems more of a con artist than a preacher.
 
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All we have is one side of the story. We know nothing about this church. Maybe it needed a good jolt like she gave. Or maybe not. Jesus sure didn't come to the world to make nicey-nice. All I'm saying is it might be wise to consider all possible scenarios and all possible contexts.

I will say, however, I've seen several so-called preachers and even some worship team members intentionally ride off the rails as a path to self-promotion, i.e. to have a unique, easily-identifiable message or persona or M.O. so they'll get called back. Many people are suckers and will fall for most any "It's new so it must be good" scheme; all you need are enough of them to accomplish the goal you have in mind.

Sorry for the reality check on that last point.
 
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Did this person have a proven gift of Word of knowledge? If so, that may all be correct.

If NOT, then you may be correct; in which case she is operating in a Jezebel spirit.
 
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Many otherwise good institutions have a few bad apples. Or she may think, wrongly, that this is a more dramatic and effective form of preaching.

I'd try to avoid her--and because she is only a guest preacher, that should be possible. I wouldn't think you should consider changing churches or anything that severe over it. By the way, I would think that other people who were there that day might have already taken some action that could lead to a change. I don't see how there wouldn't be others in the congregation saying, "This should not be."
 
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I wouldnt let her get to you.
If shes just guest preaching then maybe shes just venting her spleen. Some people do that. In my church there were some who got up to preach that sometimes had their own agenda, which I could tell.
Yes it bothered me, but I dont think it ended up splitting the church. Do you think it may come to that? It may just be a personal thing with you and her have you considered that, and if so, why dont you go to her and say, sorry, some of the things you said really hurt and were quite insulting/offensive. If you cant do that on your own take someone with you who agrees with you. If shes not listening then tell it to the church as per instructions in Matthew.
 
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Can I ask what kind or denom church this is? Just as an idea. Some churches forbid women preachers, because of the scripture about women talking in church, that they must be silent. Is this women married? Cos it says if they have questions to ask their husbands at home.
If shes married maybe checkin with her husband, just ask if he agrees what his wife said. If hes a christian man he will be her head and then has the authuroity to correct her if shes wrong.
 
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I'm totally on your side, Justneedhelp, but I don't know what you can do about it unless you are so concerned that you'd speak to the pastor or the board about it. If a certain number of people actually approve of her ways, that might turn out to be an uphill fight for nothing. One last thing, are the times when she's going to show up--or likely to show up--not made public in advance?
 
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The time when she was coming was made public in advance, I was just hoping that she would be better than the last time I saw her. I'm gonna just keep asking God to keep her away from our church if that be His will. I might end up talking to the pastor about it if it comes to that. No church needs that kind of preaching... unless it's a test??

The thing is she didn't personally offend ME, I was offended for other people the way she picked them out and was saying everything so publicly. I was hurting for the girl she made cry, I was unhappy that she was there saying these things about these people in front of everyone and felt uncomfortable for the people who were put in the spotlight. People came to church to praise and worship and hear the Word of God, not the word of the preacher, the Word of the Holy Spirit, not the opinions of a woman who thinks she is godly because her dad was a pastor too (she talked about her dad a lot in her sermon and how he whipped her into shape to become the mature person she is). Her husband was there with her but it doesn't matter that she's female as Joel 2:29 says Even on the male and female servants in those days I will pour out my Spirit. Anyways, it just didn't seem right to me at all, and being a newbie I guess that's what makes me more sensitive to it, that I haven't gotten used to her. But I suspect that some people were not there that day BECAUSE she was preaching. Just my suspicions, I have nothing to prove that with.

As I said, I'm with you in principle but doubtful that you can change anything. But since you will know in advance if she's coming--and that's only occasionally, I assume, since you say she's a guest preacher and the description of her approach makes it sound as though the congregation isn't used to her--I'd stay home or attend a different church on those occasions.
 
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If you just new to this church maybe find another one? Although you said God wanted you in this church so..in that case its not really good to avoid her if you having these issues. Take the person who was crying with you and talk to her.

You cant just pray someone out of the church like that...you need to find out whats going on. She may repent.
 
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How does this scenario strike you all?
Do you really want to know what I think? Everything you described isn't part of my faith or belief system. From 'woman preacher' on down to all that spirit talk. It's as far from Orthodoxy as you can get.
 
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I am more concerned about the SHE!!

Read 1 timothy 2:11

"Do we as true believers in JESUS CHRIST follow some of the precepts or do we stand steadfast in faith and works professing the TRUTH; being JESUS the son of GOD the heavenly father?"

JESUS CHRIST the son of GOD is the way, the TRUTH and the life. "Did JESUS not choose the apostles....timothy being one of them?"

1 Corinthians 8:9-13King James Version (KJV)

9 But take heed lest by any means this liberty of yours become a stumblingblock to them that are weak.

10 For if any man see thee which hast knowledge sit at meat in the idol's temple, shall not the conscience of him which is weak be emboldened to eat those things which are offered to idols;

11 And through thy knowledge shall the weak brother perish, for whom Christ died?

12 But when ye sin so against the brethren, and wound their weak conscience, ye sin against Christ.

Praise be to GOD the heavenly father and his son lord JESUS CHRIST forever>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
 
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Uh ok but shes a,ready done it and said her given her point of view so if she doesnt comeback cos shes only a guest then why does it bug you?

Im sorry..really not seeing why you so upset if shes only a guest she doesnt have any right or knowledge what is going on in your local church anyway. So just let it go!!!
You need to take up with pastor of church and say hey, some of those things she said I had issues with. Since hes the one that invited her to speak. And then work through that. I doubt that a pastor would invite a non christian to speak, and not carefully consider what they bring to the church..and obviously pray that whover is in the pulpit is edifying the church.

Do you have a sharing time in the church? Well you can get up and speak too. Sometimes Jesus said things that did cause division which is simply separating the sheep from the goats.

Im not saying im for or against whatever it was as dont know your church but what you posting doesnt seem right either. Are you in the church leadership? Then take it up with the board or elders or whatever. Churches have those. I dont think theres such a thing as 'spirit of division' and maybe she was just venting and not saying the truth in love which sometimes christians actually forget to do. In that case, Forgive her.
 
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