Why do people believe in a Rapture?
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Why do people believe in a rapture?
1/ They choose to believe what they are told, rather that searching the scriptures for themselves.
2/ It is a very comfortable and safe sounding doctrine.
3/ Millions, probably the majority of Christians also believe it.
4/ Some prophesies, when looked at from that perspective seem to confirm it.
Why is it a false teaching?
1/ Jesus refutes any idea of anyone going to heaven. John 3:13, John 17-15
2/ Everyone on earth must fact a time of testing. Luke 21:35, 1 Peter 4:12
3/ There is only one people of God and they are prophesied to go and live in all of the Holy Land.
4/ Not one of the scriptures touted by those who promote a rapture, actually say: My people will go to heaven.
1/ They choose to believe what they are told, rather that searching the scriptures for themselves.
2/ It is a very comfortable and safe sounding doctrine.
3/ Millions, probably the majority of Christians also believe it.
4/ Some prophesies, when looked at from that perspective seem to confirm it.
Why is it a false teaching?
1/ Jesus refutes any idea of anyone going to heaven. John 3:13, John 17-15
2/ Everyone on earth must fact a time of testing. Luke 21:35, 1 Peter 4:12
3/ There is only one people of God and they are prophesied to go and live in all of the Holy Land.
4/ Not one of the scriptures touted by those who promote a rapture, actually say: My people will go to heaven.
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You are inventing two coming of Jesus yet to come out of only one coming of Jesus yet to come ...
-The first coming of Jesus was 2,000 years ago ....
-And Matthew 24:29-31 tells us that Jesus second coming will be -immediately after the tribulation of those days-
-You are inventing a 7 years trip to Heaven which is not mentioned in the Word of God that you say you take literally...
1 Thessalonians 4:13-18
13 But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.
14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.
15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words.
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How can you,or anyone else for that matter read scripture and say He comes without warning,when He told us everything that will,and must take place before His return.......
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Ecclesiastes 9:5
"For the living know that they shall die; but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten."
This really can throw some people, when they think that this is talking about no rewards after death. This whole book is talking about only the flesh body, the man that lives under the sun. When any person dies, they are through with this old flesh body, and it has only one purpose, to be placed in the ground to decay.
The body returns to dust. The precious person that you once knew has departed that physical body at death, and went immediately to be with the Father that sent that soul into the embryo at conception. It was the soul and the spirit of the person that you loved, and not the flesh.
When you go to see the final viewing of that person's body, the soul is missing and you can feel the emptiness of spirit that once was there, as you view the body that is in the process of decay. To the Christian, this is a time of rejoicing, for that person's soul is in the presence of the Father, and it is a time for rewards. Though living in the flesh is not considered the same for all people, but it is a requirement of God for each soul.
It was in God plan that all souls must be born of woman, and many times people misquote John 3:3 as to being "born again", which should read, "born from above". You are born from above when your soul enters the embryo at birth. We all have to live in the flesh and be tested in the flesh.
There is one group that was going to try to get around that, and it is discussed in Jude 1-6.
Rather then have their soul born through woman, they left their habitation, in the heavenlies against God's will, and took woman to seduce. This is also talked about in Genesis 6:1-8. Therefore, by side stepping God's plan they are already condemned to death of their soul. They never did have the flesh to die, and their death is the death of their soul and spirit.
So flesh is flesh, and once that flesh is dead there is no more use for it, it is left to return to the dust.
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-The TWICE trickery come from the pre-tribulation rapture doctrine .
The pre-trib rapture doctrine INVENTED a (SECRET COMING ) of Jesus BEFORE the Tribulation to remove His "True Church /Wise Virgins" to Heaven, and Jesus returning after 7 years with His Church for His visible Second Coming announced by the prophets -whose- all agree will happen for the Armageddon battle...
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The resurrection happens at death.....
Listen to Paul
I Thessalonians 4:13 "But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope."
I Thessalonians 4:14 "For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him."
If we believe, as a Christian, that Christ set the example for us; so that we will follow as He did, in dying, and rising again, then "to sleep" is to be dead from the flesh body. The Greek is a simple language, for it's structure allows one to be more precise. The subject in the frame of this verse is; "that ye not be ignorant as to where the dead are." If you're a Christian, you know and believe that Jesus Christ died, was buried, and on the third day arose and came out of the tomb. If you do not believe this, Paul classifies you as ignorant, and heathen [non-believer].
It was on the fortieth day that he ascended back to the Father. When Jesus ascended into heaven, all the souls went with him into heaven also, that had passed on, up to that point in time. The souls of some went to wait for that time of judgment, while others to the glory of God. Those that sleep [are dead] are not out there in a hole in the ground, but all Christians must believe that they arose to be with the Father, just like Christ did also. The dead are with God; all of them. "To be absent from the body [flesh body] is to be present with the Lord." Ecclesiastes 12:7.
Regardless what chapter nine of Ecclesiastes says concerning the flesh body; when this flesh body is dead, the soul is gone from it, and the flesh is left to rot. It is difficult to see how they made a "rapture theory" out of this, when the subject is, "where are the dead?" So we see that when one dies, his soul goes immediately to be with our Heavenly Father. If you believe this, you are not heathen.
Listen to Paul
I Thessalonians 4:13 "But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope."
I Thessalonians 4:14 "For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him."
If we believe, as a Christian, that Christ set the example for us; so that we will follow as He did, in dying, and rising again, then "to sleep" is to be dead from the flesh body. The Greek is a simple language, for it's structure allows one to be more precise. The subject in the frame of this verse is; "that ye not be ignorant as to where the dead are." If you're a Christian, you know and believe that Jesus Christ died, was buried, and on the third day arose and came out of the tomb. If you do not believe this, Paul classifies you as ignorant, and heathen [non-believer].
It was on the fortieth day that he ascended back to the Father. When Jesus ascended into heaven, all the souls went with him into heaven also, that had passed on, up to that point in time. The souls of some went to wait for that time of judgment, while others to the glory of God. Those that sleep [are dead] are not out there in a hole in the ground, but all Christians must believe that they arose to be with the Father, just like Christ did also. The dead are with God; all of them. "To be absent from the body [flesh body] is to be present with the Lord." Ecclesiastes 12:7.
Regardless what chapter nine of Ecclesiastes says concerning the flesh body; when this flesh body is dead, the soul is gone from it, and the flesh is left to rot. It is difficult to see how they made a "rapture theory" out of this, when the subject is, "where are the dead?" So we see that when one dies, his soul goes immediately to be with our Heavenly Father. If you believe this, you are not heathen.
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Wow, for once I found something I agree with Marvin on.
There are only two advents of Christ in all of scripture,rapturist make it 3 which is not scriptual.....
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Matthew Twentyfour
Take up your cross daily, and follow Me. Luke 9:23
Kinda hard to comfort anyone that wants to go through the tribulation and get their head cut off.
I also saw the souls of the people who had their heads cut off because they had told about Jesus and preached God’s message ~ Rev 20:4.
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We know all of the answers the unlearned come up with in order to prove their points. The truth is, any faithful Bible student can give atleast two counterclaims from Scriptures to disprove each single claim in favor of the “rapture” doctrine. Furthermore, the Biblical doctrine against “rapture” will carry throughout the whole Bible - front to back and top to bottom, whereas evidence for “rapture” will not. It is necessary that it have total Scriptural support to have any validity, not just a “here and there - hit and miss” kind of thing.
We know very well that Jesus’ first Advent was depicted as a sacrificial lamb for the slaughter, and His second Advent is portrayed as “The Lion of the tribe of Judah” or “The Lion of GOD”. I have studied The Bible intensely for years, in several languages, and there are only two Advents of GOD The Son recorded. There is no secret entry by Jesus in the end times written anywhere.
How can Christ in His full Magnificence of Glory, seven times brighter than the sun (Isaiah 30: 26), secretly step out on a cloud to call certain “christians” away from tribulation? It would be an impossibility for The Lord’s Glory to remain hidden from the face of the earth longer than one second (see Psalms 18: 12 and 1 Corinthians 15: 51-52), once He raises up out of His place to perform judgment upon satan, apostates, and sinners alike. Jesus’ sevenfold brilliance begins melting mountains (take note of Psalms 46), with fire raining down upon earth, including great hailstones and brimstone upon His arrival (2 Peter 3: 7 and verses 10-12). The sun’s present summertime intensity can kindle forest fires as it now stands. How can anyone even conceive that GOD The Son’s complete Glory is less than or even equal to that. He and The Father shall be the Light of the eternal Kingdom to come, and the inhabitants thereof shall have no need for the sun to light upon them (Revelation 22: 5). The sun will be very dim compared to The Lord’s total Glory.Very dim!!!!
http://www.bibletruthlion.org/bible prophecy basics - part 2.html
We know very well that Jesus’ first Advent was depicted as a sacrificial lamb for the slaughter, and His second Advent is portrayed as “The Lion of the tribe of Judah” or “The Lion of GOD”. I have studied The Bible intensely for years, in several languages, and there are only two Advents of GOD The Son recorded. There is no secret entry by Jesus in the end times written anywhere.
How can Christ in His full Magnificence of Glory, seven times brighter than the sun (Isaiah 30: 26), secretly step out on a cloud to call certain “christians” away from tribulation? It would be an impossibility for The Lord’s Glory to remain hidden from the face of the earth longer than one second (see Psalms 18: 12 and 1 Corinthians 15: 51-52), once He raises up out of His place to perform judgment upon satan, apostates, and sinners alike. Jesus’ sevenfold brilliance begins melting mountains (take note of Psalms 46), with fire raining down upon earth, including great hailstones and brimstone upon His arrival (2 Peter 3: 7 and verses 10-12). The sun’s present summertime intensity can kindle forest fires as it now stands. How can anyone even conceive that GOD The Son’s complete Glory is less than or even equal to that. He and The Father shall be the Light of the eternal Kingdom to come, and the inhabitants thereof shall have no need for the sun to light upon them (Revelation 22: 5). The sun will be very dim compared to The Lord’s total Glory.Very dim!!!!
http://www.bibletruthlion.org/bible prophecy basics - part 2.html
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Matthew Twentyfour
Take up your cross daily, and follow Me. Luke 9:23
When trying to learn God's word, it's best to stick with the bible and avoid the internet. When it comes to the truth, there's no comparison unless one wishes to get himself lost indulging in fable and human reasoning.
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Isaiah 40: 5
5And The Glory of The LORD shall be revealed, and all flesh shall see [it] together: for the mouth of The LORD hath spoken [it].
Revelation 1: 7
7Behold, He cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see Him, and they [also] which pierced Him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of Him. Even so, Amen.
Disappearance?
Some invariably divide Christ’s Second Coming into two separate Advents separated by a tribulation. These same ones say the above verses indicates the second Advent of Christ which occurs after a “rapture” and tribulation. They claim that during a “rapture”, which some say is either before or in the middle of the great tribulation, Jesus “steps out on a cloud” and secretly snatches them from earth. That would mean Jesus comes 2 more times after His first Advent (as Savior). What we’ve already studied has denied the possibility of a third Advent, but still they cling to the idea just the same. However, there is even more solid evidence against the “rapture” doctrine yet to come - much, much more
http://www.bibletruthlion.org/bible prophecy basics - part 2.html
5And The Glory of The LORD shall be revealed, and all flesh shall see [it] together: for the mouth of The LORD hath spoken [it].
Revelation 1: 7
7Behold, He cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see Him, and they [also] which pierced Him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of Him. Even so, Amen.
Disappearance?
Some invariably divide Christ’s Second Coming into two separate Advents separated by a tribulation. These same ones say the above verses indicates the second Advent of Christ which occurs after a “rapture” and tribulation. They claim that during a “rapture”, which some say is either before or in the middle of the great tribulation, Jesus “steps out on a cloud” and secretly snatches them from earth. That would mean Jesus comes 2 more times after His first Advent (as Savior). What we’ve already studied has denied the possibility of a third Advent, but still they cling to the idea just the same. However, there is even more solid evidence against the “rapture” doctrine yet to come - much, much more
http://www.bibletruthlion.org/bible prophecy basics - part 2.html
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Matthew Twentyfour
Take up your cross daily, and follow Me. Luke 9:23
You're obviously not reading the bible if you actually believe there's no rapture? Where you getting your sources from?
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Same as you I would hope,it's just that one of us is wrong,as we know the Word can't be......
Now let me ask you a question,what is the purpose of the rapture?
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Matthew Twentyfour
Take up your cross daily, and follow Me. Luke 9:23
How would I know since everyone here is preaching the rapture as a big secret?
Ask them that calls it a secret rapture.
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I thought it was just us two right now......Im not caring what they preach right now,just you...If you don't know or don't want to answer,it's cool....
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Matthew Twentyfour
Take up your cross daily, and follow Me. Luke 9:23
Here's your answer. The rapture is a secret only to those in darkness.
1 Thessalonians 5:4-5
4 But you, brethren, are not in darkness, so that this Day should overtake you as a thief. 5 You are all sons of light and sons of the day. We are not of the night nor of darkness.
1 Thessalonians 5:4-5
4 But you, brethren, are not in darkness, so that this Day should overtake you as a thief. 5 You are all sons of light and sons of the day. We are not of the night nor of darkness.
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