3rd video proving that Planned Parenthood profits off of aborted baby parts

Sword of the Lord · Jul 28, 2015

Armoured said:
Where'd I deny anything that's in it?

It's easy to see that "uh-huh" essentially means full of crap in the context you used it in. Do these word games humor you or something?

Armoured · Jul 28, 2015

Mikhael Disciple of Christ said:
It's easy to see that "uh-huh" essentially means full of crap in the context you used it in. Do these word games humor you or something?

I use "uh-huh" expressly because it's a non-comital acknowledgement. Any subtext you read into it is entirely your own.

Sword of the Lord · Jul 28, 2015

Armoured said:
I use "uh-huh" expressly because it's a non-comital acknowledgement. Any subtext you read into it is entirely your own.

Uh huh.

Armoured · Jul 28, 2015

Mikhael Disciple of Christ said:
Uh huh.

See?

Sword of the Lord · Jul 28, 2015

Armoured said:
See?

Clearly.

Hank77 · Jul 28, 2015

I don't know if anyone noticed this but the young woman doing most of the talking in this video was not working for Planned Parenthood but for a company called Stem Express.

LivingWordUnity · Jul 28, 2015

Hank77 said:
I don't know if anyone noticed this but the young woman doing most of the talking in this video was not working for Planned Parenthood but for a company called Stem Express.

It says in the video that Stem Express is partnered with Planned Parenthood in doing this.

PapaZoom · Jul 28, 2015

Armoured said:
So no, you didn't read it? Figures.

I already told you earlier I had. But you're the one who is making the claim and yet you offer no evidence except for the opinion of someone else. Which tells me you really don't understand the situation. And perhaps you didn't view the videos for yourself.

Here are a few thoughts on MMFA's lame attempt at discriditing the video. In the video, PP rep says:

"Nobody Should Be 'Selling' Tissue. That's Just Not The Goal Here."

Except there are numerous examples where PP reps are talking (even haggling) about price. There are three videos now an in each it can be seen that PP wants some wiggle room with the pricing of baby parts. So while "selling for profit" may not be their publicly stated goal, it certainly is a goal they have. That is clear from reading the full transcripts in context.

" reveal nearly eight minutes of conversation was removed:"

Yes of course there were parts removed. But the entire video was made available as well so NO parts of the conversation were removed. Nice choice of words for MMFA. Spin

It's a 2 hour video down to 8+ mins? This is normal for any type of video editing. But who also makes the full video available if there is some sinister plot behind the hidden video? MMFA is spinning.

"PPFA Official Repeatedly Referred To "Tissue Donation," Not Sale, In Unedited Transcript. "

Of course they did. Tissue donation sounds so nice. Donating fetal livers and hearts and brains not so nice sounding to most people. And who "donates" something an at the same time tries to get the "best price?"

"Planned Parenthood Statement: Fetal Donations Were Done "Under The Highest Ethical And Legal Standards," And Provide Them "No Financial Benefit.""

That of course is nonsense. There's big money being made here. A huge industry has arisen around fetal "tissue" buying and selling.

"Federal Law Does Not Prohibit Donations Of Fetal Tissue With Consent. Federal law regarding the use of human fetal tissue does not prohibit the use of donated materials. [Title 42 U.S. Code § 289g-2, Accessed 7/14/15]"

Federal law does prohibit selling and clearly money is being exchanged. And abortion procedures are being changed (according to the PP doctors). Changing abortion procedures to procure fetal body parts is a federal crime. So there's that.

MMFA:"except payment for reasonable expenses occasioned by the actual retrieval, storage, preparation, and transportation of the tissues."

Except the PP reps were negotiating a price. They should have known the costs. They just threw out prices. One PP doctor even states: "We like to do a per item cost to see how much we can get out of it." That's not covering costs. That's selling.

The second video is even more clear where they PP rep admits that PP alters how they perform abortions in order to get more intact infant parts for sale. They describe "crushing" technique in aborting the unborn human to avoid "crushing" valuable organs.

The third video slams the lid on the debunking claims.

So there is no debunking by MMFA. All they did was spin, spin, spin.

PapaZoom · Jul 28, 2015

LivingWordUnity said:
It says in the video that Stem Express is partnered with Planned Parenthood in doing this.

They are in fact. Good catch.

KWCrazy · Jul 28, 2015

Armoured said:
Which "apologist lie" are you referring to here?

The one about the videos being de-bunked as "highly edited" to show things that didn't really happen.
Anyone watching them can see that the most damning parts are static camera shots; mostly hand held from hidden cameras.
Otherwise it's libel, and P.P. would be demanding full release of he videos as well as commencing legal action.

Hint. If Media Matters says it, it's probably a lie.

Hank77 · Jul 28, 2015

LivingWordUnity said:
It says in the video that Stem Express is partnered with Planned Parenthood in doing this.

Stem Express gets donated tissue from Planned Parenthood and other sources as well, such a private doctors and private clinics.
I am pro-life, so don't make assumptions about my intentions here. My problem is that not one of these videos has shown anything that is illegal, per the law passed by Congress in Washington, DC. So I won't make a determination that anyone is doing something illegal until Congress has done their investigation.
Immoral yes, illegal that is something else.

PapaZoom · Jul 28, 2015

Hank77 said:
Stem Express gets donated tissue from Planned Parenthood and other sources as well, such a private doctors and private clinics.
I am pro-life, so don't make assumptions about my intentions here. My problem is that not one of these videos has shown anything that is illegal, per the law passed by Congress in Washington, DC. So I won't make a determination that anyone is doing something illegal until Congress has done their investigation.
Immoral yes, illegal that is something else.

The legality is just one of the many unanswered questions surrounding these videos. To say that nothing illegal is going on to to get ahead of any investigation. You can't know what else is out there and these videos clearly bring up questions that demand answers.

Armoured · Jul 28, 2015

Hank77 said:
Stem Express gets donated tissue from Planned Parenthood and other sources as well, such a private doctors and private clinics.
I am pro-life, so don't make assumptions about my intentions here. My problem is that not one of these videos has shown anything that is illegal, per the law passed by Congress in Washington, DC. So I won't make a determination that anyone is doing something illegal until Congress has done their investigation.
Immoral yes, illegal that is something else.

More or less my take on the whole situation. Abortion is abhorrent. But there's nothing in these videos that shows anything worse happening. Arguably, given that these abortions were to occur anyway, the tissue being used for research rather than simply incinerated is a better outcome.

Armoured · Jul 28, 2015

PapaZoom said:
The legality is just one of the many unanswered questions surrounding these videos. To say that nothing illegal is going on to to get ahead of any investigation. You can't know what else is out there and these videos clearly bring up questions that demand answers.

...like what?

Hank77 · Jul 28, 2015

Armoured said:
More or less my take on the whole situation. Abortion is abhorrent. But there's nothing in these videos that shows anything worse happening. Arguably, given that these abortions were to occur anyway, the tissue being used for research rather than simply incinerated is a better outcome.

This is an informative article. I had no idea that many vaccines are made with fetal stem cells. There is no alternative rubella vaccine that does not use fetal stem cells.
http://childrens-clinic.net/getatta...l_stem_cell_vaccine_advisory_no_schedule.aspx

Erose · Jul 28, 2015

I'm just sick and tired of seeing my tax money go to this hate group. Defund them, period. Let their pro-death donors pay for their existence, and not me.

PapaZoom · Jul 28, 2015

Erose said:
I'm just sick and tired of seeing my tax money go to this hate group. Defund them, period. Let their pro-death donors pay for their existence, and not me.

I too oppose my tax dollars going to that organization. I don't mind paying taxes, but would rather they go to Care Net. They actually care about pregnant women AND their developing babies. https://www.care-net.org

ebia · Jul 28, 2015

Hank77 said:
This is an informative article. I had no idea that many vaccines are made with fetal stem cells. There is no alternative rubella vaccine that does not use fetal stem cells.
http://childrens-clinic.net/getatta...l_stem_cell_vaccine_advisory_no_schedule.aspx

Your post is potentially misleading. The vaccines concerned are each made from one of two stem cell lines created decades ago. That is, two abortions, both a long time ago, contributed to our making of those vaccines. They do not require or use contemporary abortions.

ebia · Jul 28, 2015

Erose said:
I'm just sick and tired of seeing my tax money go to this hate group. Defund them, period. Let their pro-death donors pay for their existence, and not me.

I'd same the same about the military. But that's not how tax works. We don't each pay for the things we approve of. We each put in to the communal pot, according to the amount the community has decided we must each contribute, and the community via its layers of government decides how to spend that pot.

Hank77 · Jul 28, 2015

ebia said:
Your post is potentially misleading. The vaccines concerned are each made from one of two stem cell lines created decades ago. That is, two abortions, both a long time ago, contributed to our making of those vaccines. They do not require or use contemporary abortions.

Thank you, that is a relief and good to know.

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