[MOVED] I Really am Trying to Believe...

ToBeLoved

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You mean "superior"?

Not by any means superior. We are all sinners who need to be forgiven of our sins to become once again right with God. We are only special in that we are part of the family of God. But you can be part of that same family too, because you are special also, we all are!
 
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Would you really consider the possibility that a Muslim, atheist, or even agnostic had a correct spiritual path? If one of these people tried to convert you, would you even consider it? Do you not though expect others to convert to your belief system?

Let me put it this way, if I had an alternate view of God and Christ that was different from yours, can you honestly say you would listen and consider it, or would you expect me to expunge this false God, and tell me that I have to follow what you believe?

The thing is JGG, that God put's in His Word all about Himself. There is ONLY one that is God's Son, which is the man Jesus Christ. The only one that can reconcile us back to God is His Son, Jesus Christ, so there is no other path. That is why Christians will tell you that there is only one who can reconcile man back to God. Jesus said, "I am the way, the truth and the life, no man comes to the Father, but by Me".

Is that such a big struggle for you? God in the 10 Commandments said 'you will have no other Gods but for Me". This has always been a basic tenant of Christianity because it is in the Bible in multiple places, which is why Christians know that one must believe in Jesus Christ.
 
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But I'm not special. You claim to be "special" because you are part of the family of God. I am not. You cannot claim that we are all special, it is a contradiction.to

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adjective: special
  1. 1.
    better, greater, or otherwise different from what is usual.
When you guys say "special" you use it as an adjective. Better, greater, superior.

Well, I could see how you might see it that way, but I will tell you how I meant it.

If you think about God in heaven the one who created all things, can have all things and is all. God created us (man) in His image with freedom of choice and we are a special creation, because we were not just created to fulfill God's desire for companionship, we were created in His image with freedom of choice. Now, before Adam and Eve sinned, they fully communed and were companions with God. Being that there was no sin for quite a while, they walked in perfection with God with them on earth and God communing regularly with them. It was only after 'sin' entered the picture that that separated man from God, because God is holy, 100% holy in perfection and a holy God cannot have sin. So even though we don't think of sin as being 'that big of a deal' sin and knowing how to do evil, is what separated us from God.

The only way man and God could ever be reconciled back together, in communion again, was if there was a solution to the 'sin' that separated them.

In the Old Testament, the time of Moses, God gave the Israelite's the 10 Commandments, which if they kept, would have reconciled them back to God, but the problem was man inherient sinful nature and that he could not keep the commandments. So God had another solution. If God Himself, came as a man and lived a life of no sin than the blood of Jesus Christ, shed in His innocence would be a perfect and holy sacrifice for the sins of the world. Now in all of creation, there is only one who is Begotten from the Father, which is His Son, all the rest of creation was created, but not the Son of God. The Son of God was Begotten from the Father. And the Father loved His creation so much that He sent His Only Begotten Son to earth to live the life, not of God on earth, but in the role of a servant on earth. Jesus throughout His entire ministry only served others. When He spoke of Himself, it was to give Glory to His Father and through his perfect life, his blood at His death served as the atonement for our sins and we (those who accept the gift of Christ's sacrifice) are reconciled back to God. That is why a Christian is going to heaven. Not because they are good, they may be no better than you are, it is Jesus that is standing in as a proxy for them on the Day of Judgement. Jesus will stand in their place to be judged by the Father, but there is no sin in Jesus, so there will be no sin held against the person who is in Christ. That's why Christians say that 'Jesus took our place' because He did just that and on Judgement Day when He declares that we are His He will once again stand in our place when we are judged. Because Jesus has no sin, we are seen as having no sin. Not in ourselves, but in our advocate being Jesus Christ. That's why He is called the Lamb of God because He sacrifices Himself for us, His sheep.

Now, when Jesus died 2,000 years ago, He died for EVERY sin. Sins committed before He was born, while He was alive and now after His death. BUT, you must choose to accept His free gift of Salvation for your sins.

So, that is why we say that we are special, because God came to earth to die for us because He loved us, His creation so much and He didn't want us separated from Him anymore. Nothing Jesus or God did was for themselves, it was for us.

God did not only die for Christians sins, but for ALL people, but those people MUST choose Him because again, we have that freedom of choice. God will not force us to do anything.

So when I said that we are special, I meant in the fact that God would send His Only Son to die for us to bring us back to Himself. However, you are special too in that God died for you to and I am no more special than you are in that regard.

So, that is why I said you are special too and you can see by the way Jesus came for all of us that He wants every single one of us to come back to Him by accepting His Son's free gift.

That was the way I meant that you are special too. Does that make sense?
 
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Is it then fair to say that you would not give someone else's beliefs the time of day, but you would expect that person to conform to yours?

What do I have to gain by 'conforming' you to my beliefs? Do you think I get something special from God if I get you to 'conform' to my beliefs? Nope, I don't get anything and I don't need anything. I am 'sharing' with you the Good News of Jesus Christ, that He has already died for your sins and that He wants to welcome you back into fellowship with Him. I am sharing with you what I have in Jesus Christ so that you can have that also.
 
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Right. But it's still your God. You're telling me I shall have no other God but for yours.

Lol. He is not my God as in mine alone. He IS God and His love IS big enough for us all.

You are on Christian Forums, lol, so many or most people here have God in their lives.
 
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Would you really consider the possibility that a Muslim, atheist, or even agnostic had a correct spiritual path? If one of these people tried to convert you, would you even consider it? Do you not though expect others to convert to your belief system?

Let me put it this way, if I had an alternate view of God and Christ that was different from yours, can you honestly say you would listen and consider it, or would you expect me to expunge this false God, and tell me that I have to follow what you believe?

I am biased to knowing God is the only way. But I have the ability to be pretty objective-minded.

So shoot. Whatcha got?
 
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No. (1) This is not the forum. (2) Whatever my ideas are, they are not fully formed. (3) I have no interest in trying to talk up to "I'm biased by knowing the truth, but shoot, I'm "objective-minded."

I've had alternate views of Christ and God so you might it edifying to discuss it with me.

But that is up to you. Just offering. :)
 
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You mean special in the sense of the same as everyone else?

I'm talking about special in the sense of those who speak down at others with righteous indignation when speaking the truth for God to glorify Him. Those who rebuke brethren who are going astray. God's chosen ones are special. Being part of God's family separates them and elevates their status spiritually. But there are times when chosen ones have to leave the world alone to its own devices and move on to help those who are desperately seeking help. As Jesus did. That kind of special.

I guess I meant that we are all special and loved so much that God would do what He did for us. That God would care so. Humanity is special and loved by God. How about that.
 
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What do you have to gain by sharing?

My love for God. God has blessed me and I am called to share the Good News of the gospel. Jesus said that He came to save all, that He wants all to accept His gift of Salvation. My Lord wants all His children back and I want all His children to have Him.
 
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One could also gain that by having others conform to their beliefs, right? Then there would be the added bonus of having your beliefs validated by others.
I guess if I got my kick's off having my belief's validated. But I am more the kind of person who knows who they are and doesn't really need anyone to validate who I am.

I would love to know that you would be spending eternity with Christ. Can I pray with you?
 
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Then you can't simply tell me what I have to believe, but how I can come to believe it myself. I cannot copy your faith, I can only find my own.

You can't find God on your own. That was sort of my point. He has to meet you in your search for Him and is, in fact, responsible for your searching for Him at all. How do you come to believe God's truth? Well, if the Bible is true:

John 6:43-45 (NKJV)
43 Jesus therefore answered and said to them, "Do not murmur among yourselves.
44 No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him; and I will raise him up at the last day.
45 It is written in the prophets, 'And they shall all be taught by God.' Therefore everyone who has heard and learned from the Father comes to Me.


2 Timothy 2:25-26 (NKJV)
25 in humility correcting those who are in opposition, if God perhaps will grant them repentance, so that they may know the truth,
26 and that they may come to their senses and escape the snare of the devil...

If you want to really know God, you must ask Him to reveal Himself to you. Most don't want to do that, to become the humble supplicant making a request of God. Most are just too full of themselves to want God, which is why it takes a supernatural work of God to bring us to faith in, and submission to, Him.

Selah.
 
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