Why are american politicians so hostile towards germany?

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That's going to need a bit of explanation.

you have blackouts that span over half the nation. Most of your powerlines are over ground and the infrastructure is very old and outdated. Not that it matters but that would be considered not acceptable over here. But if you are fine with that its ok.
 
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We do have a functional electric system. Do your research next time.
as i said before...no you dont have a functional electricity system. I was in your country dor a business trip and was pretty much shocked. Most of your power limes are hooked on old wooden pillars. The infrastructure looks old and not very advanced. You often have blackouts that span over large areas of the country. It is a pretty low standard. Sure it is enough for the basic needs but doesn't fullfill the standards we are used over here.

If we have blackouts over here it is moszly comtained on a small area and bavk to normal within minutes. Most powerlines are underground, smart powerstations manage electricity by demand over day and nighttime.
 
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you have blackouts that span over half the nation.

The largest blackout that we have suffered in recent history was the one in the Northeast in 08 which covered 8 states. There are 50 states in the union, can you point to one example of 25 of them being without power once much less the multiple times that would merit the use of the term blackouts?
 
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I'm going to leave of this thread now because it is a relatively silly topic which I had better not spend any more time on.

But I will note in going that the question asked in the title of this thread was "why are American politicians so hostile towards Germany".

Given that it was your subject and you pretty much steered it where it went, I think another thread title would have been more appropriate. If we assume that your attitude is anywhere typical of what is common in Germany now, a better question might have been:

"Why is the current German generation so hostile toward America?"

You have gone a long way toward opening American eyes to what may well be a future problem.

As a student of prophecy I have often come up against the question of the place of Germany in the Ezekiel prophecy.
Many have found Gomer identified with Germany. I haven't been so sure of that.

But after listening to you and your attitudes and allegiances - and revisiting the subject - I can see how Germany could well be aligned with Russia and the Muslim hordes in their aggression toward Israel in the war leading up to the Tribulation period.

God will smite those involved when He protects Israel, as I read it.

Pride goes before a fall. The current German generation may be on their way to a very big fall indeed.

There are two points where you are wrong.

1. being critical and looking for your own interests is not hostile. We see many things in the USA that we dont like and we defend our own interests. Thats totally normal and not hostile in any way.

2. we forge our own future. We have a free mind. prophecy would make us slaves and the entire life senseless. I dont believe in such concepts.

you have to get used to the fact that we agree in some topics and disagree in others. If you believe that germany blindly does what you believe is right, even against our own interests, then you are wrong. It is the highest goal for any nations leadership to do the best for its own people.

It is bad for my people to have bad relations with russia and iran. deals with those countries provide jobs and feed german families. That is what counts and nothing else.
 
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The largest blackout that we have suffered in recent history was the one in the Northeast in 08 which covered 8 states. There are 50 states in the union, can you point to one example of 25 of them being without power once much less the multiple times that would merit the use of the term blackouts?

an 8 state blackout is pretty much a decleration of bancruptcy in the industrialised world. The very idea that an entire state is without electricity alone is laughable. Sorry but you will get no sympathy for primitive engineering.
 
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an 8 state blackout is pretty much a decleration of bancruptcy in the industrialised world.

Yet it is a great deal less then a blackout that covers 50% of the country as you claimed was common here.
 
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I don´t know.

Yet you claimed that the US suffered blackouts that covered 50% of the country and we did not have a functional power grid. Are you going to admit that is incorrect?
 
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Yet you claimed that the US suffered blackouts that covered 50% of the country and we did not have a functional power grid. Are you going to admit that is incorrect?


A power grid that fails over multiple states is unacceptable for german standards. It would be not functional by our standards. Explain me how such a complete downfall is possible? I´m interested in the basic mistake in that system
 
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Do German standards redefine 16% as 50%?


I take back the 50% comment and redefine it as a massive and complete failure over 8 states. A failure that would be impossible in my country. So explain me please how something like that is possible? I mean you are an industrialized nation. How is it possible that you have such a break down? Thats not normal.
 
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So explain me please how something like that is possible?

I don't know. If it is of interest to you, and you would like to avoid making wildly incorrect claims in the future, I would recommend that you look into it.

I mean you are an industrialized nation. How is it possible that you have such a break down? Thats not normal.

Not it's not normal, nor common for those things to happen in the US.
 
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I don't know. If it is of interest to you, and you would like to avoid making wildly incorrect claims in the future, I would recommend that you look into it.



Not it's not normal, nor common for those things to happen in the US.


you had it various times that your powergrid failed over multiple times. Something like that would be considered impossible in my nation. We place high value on woking technology. We have mechanisms that allow us to isolate a break down.

Of course i know the reason for your black outs. Old infrastructure, no investments and outdated technology. As i said i lived in your country for some weeks and outside downtown you have areas that are not much better than russia.

The only city i loved was Vancouver. That was a city with german standards. But it was Canada :(
 
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I'm starting to think we have a new variety of Poe


Why? Because i highlightened the fact that we go our own way and fight for our own interests while some here mistake the word "partner" for vassal" and get angry because germany does not follow ways that would hurt our own interests?

Seriously, i guess you are from the UK. A nation known as US poodle that agrees to anything US orders them. Thats no a way i would like to go.
 
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You're being classed as a poe because your posts are nearly indistinguishable someone making a exaggerated caricature of your position.

I´m sorry i don´t get it. I assume its a personal insult. Well i expected nothing else.

That said you still couldn´t answer me why you have such a rotten infrastructure that you have state wide black outs?
 
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I´m sorry i don´t get it. I assume its a personal insult. Well i expected nothing else.

You can take it as an insult if you wish but it was only meant as an explanation. People are questioning if you mean what you say because it's not uncommon for people to pretend to hold view that push peoples buttons.

That said you still couldn´t answer me why you have such a rotten infrastructure that you have state wide black outs?

A half hour ago when I made the post I did not have any special insight on the matter, nothing has changed in the intervening thirty or so minutes. Also why are you asking me when you said in post 133 that you already know what the issues are with our infrastructure?
 
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You can take it as an insult if you wish but it was only meant as an explanation. People are questioning if you mean what you say because it's not uncommon for people to pretend to hold view that push peoples buttons.



A half hour ago when I made the post I did not have any special insight on the matter, nothing has changed in the intervening thirty or so minutes. Also why are you asking me when you said in post 133 that you already know what the issues are with our infrastructure?


Yes i actually hold that view as do most germans. We are anti america. We see USA very critical and prefer our nation to hold distance as much as possible. USA is not seen as a partner but hostile.

http://www.economist.com/news/europ...-strong-german-left-growing-right-ami-go-home

I don´t know but i think for most of us your country is evrything what can be wrong at a nation.

The majority of germans is against free trade with USA. Only 39% see USA as a partner.

And the more educated someone here is, the more he is anti american usual.

My view on the USA is ambivalent. I see it as a market. I like some things (pacific coast, alaska) and dislike most of its society, politics and cultural aspects
 
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