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Hello my brothers and sisters. I am new to this forum, so I hope I don't break any rules. I would like to discuss the Gospel, such as what is revealed to us in Ephesians:

"Wherein he hath abounded toward us in all wisdom and prudence;
Having made known unto us the mystery of his will, according to his good pleasure which he hath purposed in himself:
That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one ALL things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him:
In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will:
That we should be to the praise of his glory, who first trusted in Christ." Ephesians 1:8

What does this mean to you?

I love the Scriptures and there is nothing I enjoy more than discussing God our Father, as well as our Lord Yeshua the Messiah. I hope this is a relevant topic and that we can have a deep and respectful conversation about this most amazing Good News.

Thank you all and God bless you.
 

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Hello my brothers and sisters. I am new to this forum, so I hope I don't break any rules. I would like to discuss the Gospel, such as what is revealed to us in Ephesians:

"Wherein he hath abounded toward us in all wisdom and prudence;
Having made known unto us the mystery of his will, according to his good pleasure which he hath purposed in himself:
That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one ALL things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him:
In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will:
That we should be to the praise of his glory, who first trusted in Christ." Ephesians 1:8

What does this mean to you?

I love the Scriptures and there is nothing I enjoy more than discussing God our Father, as well as our Lord Yeshua the Messiah. I hope this is a relevant topic and that we can have a deep and respectful conversation about this most amazing Good News.

Thank you all and God bless you.


Hello,

The gospel, (or good news) is clearly spoken of by Paul, here it is,

"1. Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:5 And that he was seen of Cephas, then of the twelve:" (1 Corinthians 15:1-5)

As you can see this gospel, has no works added to it, no works of man, no sabbaths, no circumcision, no Lords supper, no, water baptism for salvation, no Mosaic law etc etc
 
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I agree my friend. However, the Gospel does not end there. That whole chapter explains the Gospel:

"But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept.
For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.
For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.
The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.
For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith, all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him.
And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all." 1 Corinthians 15:20-28
 
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I agree my friend. However, the Gospel does not end there. That whole chapter explains the Gospel:

"But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept.
For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.
For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.
The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.
For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith, all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him.
And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all." 1 Corinthians 15:20-28

Hello God bless,

The gospel is the death burial and resurrection, and as we believe that gospel, we are crucified WITH Christ, burried WITH Him and risen WITH him. We live that gospel power in our lives every day, as Paul said

"10 Always bearing about in the body the dying of the Lord Jesus, that the life also of Jesus might be made manifest in our body.11 For we which live are always delivered unto death for Jesus' sake, that the life also of Jesus might be made manifest in our mortal flesh." 2 Corinthians 4:10,11)

"I am crucified with Christ:" (Galatians 2:20)

"Therefore we are buried with him" (Romans 6:4)

"risen with him"(Colossians 2:12)

When we believe the gospel, and we abide in faith, Christ then dwells in our hearts and works in us. This is God working in us to will and to do of His good pleasure and God will make us perfect unto every good work. This life in the faith is not the intital gospel but we live the gospel power every day as we abide. And everyone that has this hope in himself purifies himself even as He is pure. If we overcome through faith and God working in us, we will inherit all things.


But note the gospel again in 1 Cor 15, Paul said they simply believed it and to keep being saved they need to keep it in memory.

When the people of the OT were bitten by serpents and Moses made a serpent on the pole, all they had to do was look in faith to the serpent and be healed. But faith was the first part, "looking" unto it, and the a real change took place, this is the grace part. It took place in their bodies as the poison was gone and they were healed. In salvation we are saved by grace, this is God working unmerited by our work in his giving us His Son to die for us and it is also His working in us by Christ giving us life. But we come to this grace through faith. By grace are we saved through faith.
 
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Hello,

The gospel, (or good news) is clearly spoken of by Paul, here it is,

"1. Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:5 And that he was seen of Cephas, then of the twelve:" (1 Corinthians 15:1-5)

As you can see this gospel, has no works added to it, no works of man, no sabbaths, no circumcision, no Lords supper, no, water baptism for salvation, no Mosaic law etc etc
If you look at your passage again, you note Paul says he preached the gospel to them. He didn't say he was about to write it in 2 sentences.
 
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If you look at your passage again, you note Paul says he preached the gospel to them. He didn't say he was about to write it in 2 sentences.


Yes he did. The gospel is so simple really

and yes we can expound it and explain things and show scriptures backing it up. We can preach against mans works and show that the gospel reveals Gods righteousness etc. Preaching Christ can be as simple as a crying aloud that Jesus Christ is the saviour who died for your sins according to the scriptures and he was buried and rose from the dead. Then you can expound on each of those aspects and according to the scriptures. But to add mans works to it and law and many other thing makes it anther gospel. I have often met many n the streets in evangelism who add so much to the gospel. I asked a group downtown recently what was the gospel they preached.? they looked stunned as if that was a strange question. They said thongs lie, "I dont know ask our brother over there", and "the gospel is the whole bible", and the gospel of Holiness to the Lord etc" I marvel at how some can go out and seek to win souls and not even know the simple gospel

again we need to just simply believe that what Paul said was true.

""1. Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you unless ye have believed in vain.3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:5 And that he was seen of Cephas, then of the twelve:" (1 Corinthians 15:1-5)


That was it the simple gospel. Understanding the aspects of it and the scriptures that the gospel is according to can be a longer talk.

I would ask you, "what is the gospel you believe? and does it line up with the simple gospel Paul preached?

If we preach any other gospel as Paul waned the Galatians, we are cursed.
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I get what you believe. You fail to understand that this passage is not at all a summation of the gospel. The "was preached" is past tense. It was not what he was writing at the moment.

Sorry friend, it absolutely is!!

Paul tells exactly what he preaches and what he delivered into them and speaks of Christ death burial and resurrection it is very clear .

Again I must ask you what is the gospel you preach?

The reason this is so important is that so many add to that gospel all sorts of things . They say Paul preached much more to them about the saving gospel , they try to say he would have added water baptism to it and sabbath keeping the Modaic law circumcision eating the Lords supper etc etc

And he absolutely did not add anything else to the saving gospel . He defines it right there and he even tells them what he delivered into them there isn't missing this to the unbiased reader. But to the biased reader who may have had others teach them that the gospel is this and that Wirk they do etc they error
 
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The Gospel

Posted by anonymouswho .

The Gospel of our Elohim's reconciliation of the created to himself starts in Genesis .
The folks spoken to by Saul , destined for Paradise starts in Acts 19 ; http://biblehub.com/isr/acts/19.htm

1And it came to be, while Apollos was at Corinth, that Sha’ul, having passed through the upper parts, came to Ephesos. And having found some taught ones,


2he said to them, “Did you receive the Set-apart Spirit when you believed?” And they said to him, “No, we have not even heard that there is a Set-apart Spirit.”

3And he said to them, “Into what then were you immersed?” And they said, “Into Yoḥanan’s immersion.”

4And Sha’ul said, “Yoḥanan indeed immersed with an immersion of repentance, saying to the people that they should believe in the One who is coming after him, that is, in Messiah יהושע.”

5And when they heard this, they were immersed in the Name of the Master יהושע.

6And when Sha’ul had laid hands on them, the Set-apart Spirit came upon them, and they were speaking in tongues and prophesying.

7And all the men were about twelve.

8And having gone into the congregation he spoke boldly for three months, reasoning and persuading concerning the reign of Elohim.

Any Scripture savvy reader knows what happened in Ephesos then .

Our brother quotes Ephesians 1 ( KJB ) , here it is in the ( ISR ) http://biblehub.com/isr/ephesians/1.htm

1Sha’ul, an emissary of יהושע Messiah by the desire of Elohim, to the set-apart ones who are in Ephesos, and true to Messiah יהושע:

2Favour to you and peace from Elohim our Father and the Master יהושע Messiah.

3Blessed be the Elohim and Father of our Master יהושע Messiah, who has blessed us with every spiritual blessing in the heavenlies in Messiah,

4even as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we should be set-apart and blameless before Him in love,a

5having previously ordained us to adoption as sons through יהושע Messiah to Himself, according to the good pleasure of His desire,

6to the praise of the esteem of His favour with which He favoured us in the Beloved,

7in whom we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of trespasses, according to the riches of His favour,

8which He has lavished on us in all wisdom and insight,

9having made known to us the secret of His desire, according to His good pleasure which He purposed in Him,

10to administer at the completion of time, to gather together in one all in Messiah, both which are in the heavens and which are on earth, in Him,

11in whom also we did obtain an inheritance, being previously ordained according to the purpose of Him working all matters according to the counsel of His desire,

12for us to be the praise of His esteem – those having first trusted in Messiah,

13in whom you also, having heard the word of the truth, the Good News of your deliverance, in whom also, having believed, you were sealed with the Set-apart Spirit of promise,

14who is the pledge of our inheritance, until the redemption of the purchased possession, to the praise of His esteem.

Baptism , Hebrew style ; http://www.haydid.org/ronimmer.htm

If anyone questions how Apollos preached the Good News of Salvation , read chapter 18 .

http://biblehub.com/isr/acts/18.htm ; After " And when Aqulas and Priscilla heard him, they took him aside and explained to him the way of Elohim more exactly. "

So then my fellow Saints , I see Acts 19 as the Gospel delivered by Saul to the Ephesians . Ephesians as proof and reproof of his delivery . Very much as the author of the letter , Hebrews in chapter 6 : http://biblehub.com/isr/hebrews/6.htm

1Therefore, having left the word of the beginning of the Messiah, let us go on to perfection,a not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of belief toward Elohim,

2of the teaching of immersions, and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of everlasting judgment.

3And this we shall do, if Elohim indeed permits.

4For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted the heavenly gift, and have become partakers of the Set-apart Spirit,

5and have tasted the good Word of Elohim and the powers of the age to come,

6and fall away, to renew them again to repentance – having impaled for themselves the Son of Elohim again, and put Him to open shame.a

7For ground that is drinking the rain often falling on it, and is bearing plants fit for those by whom it is tilled, receives blessing from Elohim,

8but if it brings forth thorns and thistles, it is rejected and near to being cursed, and ends up by being burned.

9But although we speak in this way, beloved, we are persuaded, concerning you, of better matters which possess deliverance.

10For Elohim is not unrighteous to forget your work and labour of love which you have shown toward His Name, in that you have attended to the set-apart ones, and still attend.

11And we desire that each one of you show the same eagerness, to the entire confirmation of expectation until the end,

12in order that you do not become sluggish, but imitate those who through belief and patience inherit the promises.

10For Elohim is not unrighteous to forget your work and labour of love which you have shown toward His Name, in that you have attended to the set-apart ones, and still attend.

11And we desire that each one of you show the same eagerness, to the entire confirmation of expectation until the end,

12in order that you do not become sluggish, but imitate those who through belief and patience inherit the promises.

Great OP my brother , it's a vital KEY through the GATE .

Hallelu-YAH .
 
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Hello God bless,

The gospel is the death burial and resurrection, and as we believe that gospel, we are crucified WITH Christ, burried WITH Him and risen WITH him. We live that gospel power in our lives every day, as Paul said

"10 Always bearing about in the body the dying of the Lord Jesus, that the life also of Jesus might be made manifest in our body.11 For we which live are always delivered unto death for Jesus' sake, that the life also of Jesus might be made manifest in our mortal flesh." 2 Corinthians 4:10,11)

"I am crucified with Christ:" (Galatians 2:20)

"Therefore we are buried with him" (Romans 6:4)

"risen with him"(Colossians 2:12)

When we believe the gospel, and we abide in faith, Christ then dwells in our hearts and works in us. This is God working in us to will and to do of His good pleasure and God will make us perfect unto every good work. This life in the faith is not the intital gospel but we live the gospel power every day as we abide. And everyone that has this hope in himself purifies himself even as He is pure. If we overcome through faith and God working in us, we will inherit all things.


But note the gospel again in 1 Cor 15, Paul said they simply believed it and to keep being saved they need to keep it in memory.

When the people of the OT were bitten by serpents and Moses made a serpent on the pole, all they had to do was look in faith to the serpent and be healed. But faith was the first part, "looking" unto it, and the a real change took place, this is the grace part. It took place in their bodies as the poison was gone and they were healed. In salvation we are saved by grace, this is God working unmerited by our work in his giving us His Son to die for us and it is also His working in us by Christ giving us life. But we come to this grace through faith. By grace are we saved through faith.

I agree that with everything written here. However, my intention is to show that the Gospel does not just end with Messiah's death and Resurrection. His death and Resurrection are indeed the Gospel, but what I'm asking is, what does His death and Resurrection mean?

Paul goes on to explain this in the rest of the chapter.

"But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept.
For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.
For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive." 1 Corinthians 15:20

Just as in Adam have all men died, so in Messiah will ALL men be made alive. God has given Messiah Yeshua ALL things:

"All things have been handed over to Me by My Father; and no one knows the Son except the Father; nor does anyone know the Father except the Son, and anyone to whom the Son wills to reveal Him." Matthew 11:27

Yeshua also tells us:

"And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day." John 6:39

He will not lose anything that God has given Him, and God has given Him everything. This is God's will. If something is God's will, it is inevitable. That's why Paul says:

"For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour;
Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.
For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;
Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time." 1 Timothy 2:3

This is the exact same Gospel that Paul is speaking of in 1 Corinthians 15:

"The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.
For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith, all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him.
And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be ALL in ALL." 1 Corinthians 15:26

Thank you my friend and God bless you.
 
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I agree that with everything written here. However, my intention is to show that the Gospel does not just end with Messiah's death and Resurrection. His death and Resurrection are indeed the Gospel, but what I'm asking is, what does His death and Resurrection mean?

Paul goes on to explain this in the rest of the chapter.

"But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept.
For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.
For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive." 1 Corinthians 15:20

Just as in Adam have all men died, so in Messiah will ALL men be made alive. God has given Messiah Yeshua ALL things:

"All things have been handed over to Me by My Father; and no one knows the Son except the Father; nor does anyone know the Father except the Son, and anyone to whom the Son wills to reveal Him." Matthew 11:27

Yeshua also tells us:

"And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day." John 6:39

He will not lose anything that God has given Him, and God has given Him everything. This is God's will. If something is God's will, it is inevitable. That's why Paul says:

"For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour;
Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.
For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;
Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time." 1 Timothy 2:3

This is the exact same Gospel that Paul is speaking of in 1 Corinthians 15:

"The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.
For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith, all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him.
And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be ALL in ALL." 1 Corinthians 15:26

Thank you my friend and God bless you.


Do you believe universalism ? That all people will be saved one day?

And the resurrection is the new life and hope of believers being risen from the dead also
 
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Do you believe universalism ? That all people will be saved one day?

And the resurrection is the new life and hope of believers being risen from the dead also

Yes I do. I believe God is both able and willing to save all of mankind. I also believe that the Resurrection is when we as believes are spiritually raised from death into new Life, and that this is eternal life (αἰώνιος ζωὴ)

"And this IS life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent." John 17:3

I believe there will be a physical Resurrection of the Dead as well, and that God will raise all men from the death unto eternal life.

"Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth." 1 Timothy 2:4

Do you mind if I ask you exactly what you believe? Thank you friend.
 
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There is a Universal thread already underway in controversial theology, you might find it interesting.
I for one am a firm believer in UR.

Thank you my friend. I did see that there was a thread called Universal Salvation, but I wasn't sure how I should intervene. I also have another thread under Controversial Theology that is likewise called the Gospel. I originally posted it under Debate and Discussion, but for some reason they decided to move it here. It is nice to meet you. I've been searching and searching for fellow believers, and my second day here I have already found several. I am very happy to know there are others out there that believe the Scriptures and believe that God is True in His Word. Thank you and God bless you my friend.
 
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I know how you feel as far as fellowship goes, it can be lonely at times, but we are here. We are also the minority.
But I look forward to that changing, the more The Lord Reveals.

As far as the other thread goes just jump in anywhere, if you feel led to do so.
Blessings my brother.
 
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Yes I do. I believe God is both able and willing to save all of mankind. I also believe that the Resurrection is when we as believes are spiritually raised from death into new Life, and that this is eternal life (αἰώνιος ζωὴ)

"And this IS life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent." John 17:3

I believe there will be a physical Resurrection of the Dead as well, and that God will raise all men from the death unto eternal life.

"Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth." 1 Timothy 2:4

Do you mind if I ask you exactly what you believe? Thank you friend.


Hello,

I do not believe that all men will be saved eternally. I believe that many will go to the lake of fire for ever and the fire shall never be quenched .

But I do believe that Christ Jesus died for all men, and that there are some verses that cause some confusion in this matter. For example he is the saviour of all men, specially f those that believe.

I believe that all infants when they come into the world are saved by the grace of Christ. He died for their sin ( nature), they have not actually committed sin yet or transgressed so no sin is imputed until they hate the light and until s"sin revives and they die [spiritually] Romans 7:9 etc.

But when sin revives and they hate the light because their deeds are evil then they are condemned and have to be born again. So in this sense Christ did dies for all men, but not all will be saved in the end.

Infant salvation is a vital doctrine in this talk and to shatter some of the false Calvinist views as well.

But there is much to say on this matter. I am a bit busy now.

also "eternal life" is Jesus himself 1 John 1:1,2
 
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if not all will be saved, then sin and death have more power than God, and that my friend is impossible. nothing can separate us from the love of the Father ...... LOVE wins



Revelation 20:15
"And whosoever was not found written in the book
of life was cast into the lake of fire."

Revelation 20:10
And the devil that deceived them was cast into the
lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever."

Mark 9:43
And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, into the fire that
never shall be quenched:

"Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels (Matt. 25:41).

"The Son of Man will go just as it is written about him. But woe to that man who betrays the Son of Man! It would be better for him if he had not been born (Mark 14:21).
 
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Revelation 20:15
"And whosoever was not found written in the book
of life was cast into the lake of fire."

Revelation 20:10
And the devil that deceived them was cast into the
lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever."

Mark 9:43
And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, into the fire that
never shall be quenched:

"Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels (Matt. 25:41).

"The Son of Man will go just as it is written about him. But woe to that man who betrays the Son of Man! It would be better for him if he had not been born (Mark 14:21).

The foundation of the majority of "religious" Christian belief systems is not founded upon Christ, despite their claims that it is, it is founded upon Hell (which is death), not upon Christ (Who is Life).

According to religion, you have to be convinced in the existence of hell as they teach it first, the fear of going to hell has to be firmly planted in your mind before anything they tell you afterward has any effect on you. FEAR has to grow in your mind ... then ... and only then ... can everything they say and do convince you that there is "a way" to avoid going there.

When we fully understand that Christ (the Way) only comes secondary to religion's doctrine of hell can we be free from the bondage of fear, death and hell. Christ comes first, not a doctrine of hell.

Stop treating Christ as a commodity, a fire insurance policy you have to buy into
 
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Hello,

I do not believe that all men will be saved eternally. I believe that many will go to the lake of fire for ever and the fire shall never be quenched .

But I do believe that Christ Jesus died for all men, and that there are some verses that cause some confusion in this matter. For example he is the saviour of all men, specially f those that believe.

I believe that all infants when they come into the world are saved by the grace of Christ. He died for their sin ( nature), they have not actually committed sin yet or transgressed so no sin is imputed until they hate the light and until s"sin revives and they die [spiritually] Romans 7:9 etc.

But when sin revives and they hate the light because their deeds are evil then they are condemned and have to be born again. So in this sense Christ did dies for all men, but not all will be saved in the end.

Infant salvation is a vital doctrine in this talk and to shatter some of the false Calvinist views as well.

But there is much to say on this matter. I am a bit busy now.

also "eternal life" is Jesus himself 1 John 1:1,2

Hello my friend. Thank you for continuing to discuss this with me.

You seem to be implying that there is some sort of "age of accountability". I have a few questions and I ask that you please not take offence at what I say.

Despite the fact that this term is found nowhere in Scripture, I have to ask, what is this "age of accountability"?

At what age is a person able to distinguish right from wrong?

Is 12 years enough time? If a 12 year old dies, will they rightly and justifiably be tormented for trillions and trillions and trillions.....of eternal years?

What about 18? Or 20? Or 30? How many years must one live before they are justifiably subjected to trillions and trillions and trillions....of years of eternal torment?

I would like to ask you a hypothetical question if that is okay.

Suppose there is a 23 year old Muslim girl living in Afghanistan. Her entire life, she has been told by everyone she knows to stay away from those "pagan Christians", or else she will be subjected to "Jahannam" where her flesh will be burned off only for new flesh to replace it forever. One day she is walking down the street and a man rapes her while she is wide awake, and then murders her.

When God supposedly subjects her to eternal fire in hell, is this justice? Did this girl have the same opportunity to believe as us in middle America? Did she ask to be born? Did she ask to be born in Afghanistan to Muslim parents?

I would like to quickly address one of the verses you left for jugghead.

"And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever." Revelation 20:10

First, I want to address the very beginning of Revelation, for there is a single word that explains everything about this verse.

"The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John" Revelation 1:1

Signified means: the meaning or idea expressed by a sign, as distinct from the physical form in which it is expresses.

Revelation 20:10 is a vision. If I am to take this verse literal, should I also literally believe that:

"These things saith he that holdeth the seven stars in his right hand, who walketh in the midst of the seven golden candlesticks" Revelation 2:1

Is Yeshua literally holding seven stars and seven candlesticks? Why? Do these physical objects not represent something much deeper?

Now I would like to address this verse directly. The first thing I'd like to point out is that the word translated "tormented" comes from the Greek βασανίζω (basanizo). Strong's Concordance says basanizo literally means:

"to test (metals) by the touchstone, which is a black siliceous stone used to test the purity of gold or silver by the colour of the streak produced on it by rubbing it with either metal"

Paul speaks of testing gold and silver in 1 Corinthians:

"Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, WOOD, HAY, STUBBLE;
Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.
If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.
If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire." 1 Corinthians 3:12

Now let's talk about brimstone. What the heck is brimstone?

Brimstone comes from the Greek θείου (theion) and Strong's Concordance says:

"divine incense, because burning brimstone was regarded as having power to purify, and to ward off disease"

Yet another word that indicates purification rather than torment. I've heard that this brimstone is meant to keep the fire burning hotter and hotter, but brimstone is not even heat conductive!

So now we get to the Lake of Fire. First, we know it is not a literal "body of water of fire". This doesn't even make any sense. And second, we know that it's purpose is to test and purify. Let's look at some other Scriptures that show us fire that purifies.

"Behold, I have refined thee, but not with silver; I have chosen thee in the furnace of affliction." Isaiah 48:10

"And I will bring the third part through the fire, and will refine them as silver is refined, and will try them as gold is tried: they shall call on my name, and I will hear them: I will say, It is my people: and they shall say, The LORD is my God." Zechariah 13:9

"But who may abide the day of his coming? and who shall stand when he appeareth? for he is like a refiner's fire, and like fullers' soap:

"And he shall sit as a refiner and purifier of silver: and he shall purify the sons of Levi, and purge them as gold and silver, that they may offer unto the LORD an offering in righteousness." Malachi 3:2

"And the sight of the glory of the LORD was like devouring fire on the top of the mount in the eyes of the children of Israel." Exodus 24:17

"Indeed, the LORD your God is a consuming fire. He is a jealous God." Deuteronomy 4:24

"For our God is a consuming fire." Hebrews 12:29

Can this honestly be interpreted any other way? God is Love my friend. He does all things after the council of His own Will. And when God wants something, it is impossible for it to be otherwise. For God not to get His way cannot even be considered reality. God is Love, and Love never fails.

I will wait for you to reply before I get into the last words of this verse: εἰς τοὺς αἰῶνας τῶν αἰώνων (unto the ages of the ages).

Thank you very much for your time, and God bless you my brother.
 
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