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Im from the North and i dont see it as anything but a flag.
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Here are some thoughts I have on the flag debate. The KKK also waves the American flag. So should that be banned, too? Or does this photo of a KKK member look any less racist without the confederate flag? What's the likelihood that the guy in the photo would see the light and give up his racism if the confederate flag gets banned?
You've said that about the American flag too, if I recall correctly. At least you are honest enough to be consistent about it. Most refuse to see any similarity.Well, in my opinion, and based on my experiences dealing with discrimination as a Native American, that rag most definitely represents hatred and racism to me.
This Christian was born in the north in one of the so called slave states. Half my family are from the south and that half happen to b native tribal people. I love that flag. And just because people say it means what they need it to mean when they say it's racist, doesn't make it true.The Dixiecrats loved that flag
Agreed. A symbol represents what people want it to. People who want to hate will choose any symbol to say it represents hate
Hitler was a 1/4 JewishHere are some thoughts I have on the flag debate. The KKK also waves the American flag. So should that be banned, too? Or does this photo of a KKK member look any less racist without the confederate flag? What's the likelihood that the guy in the photo would see the light and give up his racism if the confederate flag gets banned?
Or what about the blacks who support the confederate flag?
I don't know much about the confederate flag since I'm not from the South. I'm just asking some questions.
And, because I don't know much about it, I haven't formed a solid opinion on it one way or the other.
That doesn't answer the questions that I asked in my post.Hitler was a 1/4 Jewish
Finding a token doesn't disprove the rule.
Here are some thoughts I have on the flag debate. The KKK also waves the American flag. So should that be banned, too? Or does this photo of a KKK member look any less racist without the confederate flag? What's the likelihood that the guy in the photo would see the light and give up his racism if the confederate flag gets banned?
Or what about the blacks who support the confederate flag?
I don't know much about the confederate flag since I'm not from the South. I'm just asking some questions.
And, because I don't know much about it, I haven't formed a solid opinion on it one way or the other.
I don't think you should generalize like that about everyone who has a confederate flag since if you are wrong about even just one person it is bearing false witness. I'm sure you know that being a traitor is considered a very serious crime that is punishable by death, so it's like you are saying that they deserve death. And if simply owning a confederate flag makes someone a traitor then anyone who owns a British flag would be a traitor, too.I'm not calling for any flags to be banned, not even the flags of racist traitors.
Taking down the confederate flag at our statehouses is not the first priority, not even for those in Charleston. The first priority is to prevent another decade long war with hundreds of thousands of men and women fighting on foreign shores. I have lived through three. That is quite enough.
And yes, you are free to believe that the issues you mention should decide the next election.
I'm not calling for any flags to be banned, not even the flags of racist traitors.
a nation guided by Judeo-Christian principles just as this great country has always had until recent times when your party and the secular humanists have become a morality juggernaut using the media and lobbyists and activists to overturn the traditions of this land.
It is not as if someone is inventing a new meaning. The rag in question had no presence in public life for a century after the Civil War. It was created as a symbol for the segregationist cause just over 50 years ago. It was added to Southern states' flags at that time. It was brought forth as a symbol of racism. That is its purpose.
When it was a battle flag it in no way represented the whole of the Confederates. It was a battle banner of the Viriginian army. Very few soldiers of most other states didn't serve under that symbol. The mythology of the proponents of that rag have strayed quite far from facts.
Okay, that's where you lost me. Strange to hear about Christian values in a nation that was originally founded and built on racism, white supremacy, white privilege, white nationalism, not to mention on the genocide of Native Americans and the enslavement of African slaves. The only biblical aspects that can honestly be attributed to this country is the genocide and slavery that took place on its stolen tribal lands committed by God fearing Americans. So much for freedom or liberty and justice for all. I won't even mention the cultural genocide Christians once committed against my ancestors, attempting to strip them entirely of their culture, their traditions, their way of life, their spirituality, and their humanity. Oh, and never mind mentioning all the thousands of Native American children who were stolen away from their families and placed into Indian Residential Schools where they were to be forcibly assimilated and Christianized. Well, cultural genocide against Native Americans is one tradition this country has kept up very well over the centuries since before its inception, and so is racism and oppression of its Indigenous and minority people too. Yeah, land of the free, home of the brave...
Yes states rights to preserve slavery (and expand it) and for white supremacy.They fought for the cause of states rights mostly and defending their homes and way of life.
but the daily Joes of our country for hundreds of years, until recently, were good Christian folks just trying to do the right thing. This country we're living in now, it's almost unrecognizable.
Old Glory is the flag of invaders, people who have dropped nukes on foreign lands, people who have created the Trail of Tears, folks who invaded the Philippines and Iraq and Afghanistan. It is the flag of the Tuskegee experiments, Jim Crow laws, the Vietnam War, permissive abortion laws, homosexual "marriage." It is the flag of a country that has tortured people.
It is naive to the nth degree to use hyperbole in trying to shame people for pride in their heritage. For every racist traitor comment you can cook up to make the rebel confederate battle flag meaningless, I can provide ten for you with the American stars and stripes. If you expect a flag to have a spotless history in order to be flown, there won't be a flag on this Earth that will meet your standards, Mike, and you know it. So drop the hyperbolic nonsense. I have ancestors who fought in the North AND South, and I resent you calling my ancestors traitors. Shame on you!