Is the Catholic Church infallible?

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i TRULY understand. Basically My point is that Catholics And Most Protestants Simply have no Scriptures For their Faith.

They have a TRANSLATION that is altered. They can Claim that Their TRANSLATION is the Word of THEIR God. That is their Choice.

What they have Added or altered. . -Of Course we know - is not what the Original Manuscripts Say.

Claiming that ones Faith is in The Bible is one thing and CLAIMING that One can CHANGE or add words to the bible is a completely Different thing. And Catholics are very clear, They HAVE the Moral Obligation and POWER to Add to and Change the Scriptures.

I have been there myself. I grew up thinking things about the bible only to find out different Later. So i understand.

and only by Going back to the BASIC Manuscripts of Greek and Hebrew. The Original Teaching. You can see how it is often different From what Catholics and Protestants teach and Claim that is in the Bible.

I believe that Catholics and Protestants are great people. But
Translators have Altered, Manipulated and Changed the Meaning of Many, Many Verses to Satisfy their own opinions and the views and opinions of others around them.
 
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My faith is in the person, Jesus Christ.

If He did not provide His will in written form that is reliable, then it would be unjust for Him to expect anything from man seeing He would be bringing confusion by allowing all these extra biblical voices to all be claiming things that contradict one another and contradict what He put in His Word.

If God is incapable of putting His Will down on paper accurately for us today... then He is weak, and unjust!

If that's the case, we should all go get drunk which I understand many catholics like to do since they can swing by to see their priest who will wipe away their sin.

Back in my party days, I had several friends who were catholic and they did all kinds of bad stuff and it was OK cause they would just go to confession and all would be well between them and God, or so they were told by their priest.

This is nothing more than enabling people to live in sin and telling them it's all good... in the end, we'll see if it's all good or not.
 
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I think the Catholic Church should simply drop the word "infallible" all-together. It would do a great deal of good, because the whole notion is incredibly misunderstood. We can speak of the Church as being "authoritative" and of preserving the authentic Apostolic faith, but I personally would like to see the whole Vatican 1 notion of infallibility absolutely scrapped. I know that's not gonna happen, but a man can dream. Now let me address the last post, because I can't resist.

My faith is in the person, Jesus Christ.
Same here. In fact, though having been baptized and confirmed Catholic, I was an atheist who had a "born again" experience and became a committed evangelical protestant. I only became a believing Catholic recently due to an in-depth study of church history, a subject that, if pursued, will demolish the confident posturing of most protestants.

Also, I have a personal relationship with the Lord Jesus as well as you and all other Christians. There is nothing in the Catholic faith that rejects such a personal, real, daily and living relationship with Christ. Indeed it is essential and, unfortunately not as clearly taught as it should be in many Catholic circles.

If He did not provide His will in written form that is reliable, then it would be unjust for Him to expect anything from man seeing He would be bringing confusion by allowing all these extra biblical voices to all be claiming things that contradict one another and contradict what He put in His Word.
God did not write a book and drop it out of the sky and say "read it!". The Eternal Word became a man, showed us the way, died and rose again conquering death and invited all mankind to become "partakers of the divine nature (2 Peter 1:4)". He chose twelve ordinary guys to be his disciples and founded his Church on them. That church is the universal sacrament of salvation, which guards the authentic faith "once and for all delivered to the saints (Jude 1:3)" and possesses the Holy Mysteries, chief among them being the Eucharist, the body and blood of Christ (1 Corinthians 10:16). Through the sacraments/mysteries Christ engrafts us into his body and brings us into greater and greater communion with himself making us, as I mentioned above, partakers of the divine nature. Through the church we come to share in the blessed life of the Holy Trinity and, in dramatic reversal of the calamity of the Fall, we come to bear the image of God in the likeness of God.

Protestants only get some portion of the faith right, and are unfortunately without the sacraments. Explore Church history with an open mind and you will see the case for the Catholic faith straight from the writings of the very earliest Christians, those who studied under the apostles themselves.

If that's the case, we should all go get drunk which I understand many catholics like to do since they can swing by to see their priest who will wipe away their sin.
Confession without contrition and repentance renders the sacrament invalid. The behavior of some Catholics has no bearing on the actual content of the faith, of which you seem to be incredibly ignorant.
 
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Back in my party days, I had several friends who were catholic and they did all kinds of bad stuff and it was OK cause they would just go to confession and all would be well between them and God, or so they were told by their priest.

the wheat and the tares grow side by side
I knew a Baptist girl who used to do all kinds of bad things, she said that she was saved by Jesus and He already paid for all of her sins, so it did not really matter what she did....

I tried to encourage her to live a more Christian life, but we had a falling out
 
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God did not write a book

2 Timothy 3:16
ALL scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness

Congrats, you are wrong and God is RIGHT!

If God cannot control what goes in to His Book... He's weak and pathetic.
 
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In the end we'll see how your extra biblical information works out...
Since when is extra-biblical a bad thing? What's bad is anti-Biblical, and there's nothing in the teachings of Catholicism that is anti-Biblical.
 
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My faith is in the person, Jesus Christ.
Ditto, and in the entire body of his teaching, such as John 6.
If He did not provide His will in written form that is reliable, then it would be unjust for Him to expect anything from man seeing He would be bringing confusion by allowing all these extra biblical voices to all be claiming things that contradict one another and contradict what He put in His Word.
Did Jesus say "Write this in memory of me"? No, he said DO. The Bible, though is the basis of our faith. It is the most important leg of a three-legged stool-Scripture, Tradition, and Magisterium. Without one leg or two legs, the stool doesn't work.
If God is incapable of putting His Will down on paper accurately for us today... then He is weak, and unjust!
Nobody says the Bible is inaccurate, but when you see how lack of authority creates thousands of Christian denominations, none of which teach the same thing, that's when you know that the Catholic Church got it right.
If that's the case, we should all go get drunk which I understand many catholics like to do since they can swing by to see their priest who will wipe away their sin.
This is a misunderstanding, by you and by those Catholics. You cannot go get drunk on purpose, and then just go to confession. You must repent. Without repentance there is no forgiveness. Secondly, it is not the priest who wipes away our sins.
Back in my party days, I had several friends who were catholic and they did all kinds of bad stuff and it was OK cause they would just go to confession and all would be well between them and God, or so they were told by their priest.
Again, I love how Protestants criticize the Catholic Church because some or many of its 'members' do not act their faith...
This is nothing more than enabling people to live in sin and telling them it's all good... in the end, we'll see if it's all good or not.
As I said, if they knew their faith, listened to what was taught them in CCD, they would know that this is wrong.
 
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I think the Catholic Church should simply drop the word "infallible" all-together. It would do a great deal of good, because the whole notion is incredibly misunderstood. We can speak of the Church as being "authoritative" and of preserving the authentic Apostolic faith, but I personally would like to see the whole Vatican 1 notion of infallibility absolutely scrapped. I know that's not gonna happen, but a man can dream. Now let me address the last post, because I can't resist.
If the Church dropped every word that was misunderstood, we'd have no faith left. Look at how Pope Francis is misquoted all over the place, how Vatican II was erroneously implemented, and so on.
 
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2 Timothy 3:16
ALL scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness

Congrats, you are wrong and God is RIGHT!

If God cannot control what goes in to His Book... He's weak and pathetic.
How does "inspiration" translate to "authored"?
 
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Since when is extra-biblical a bad thing?

Since things are taught as being what God said to do... when He never said it such as idolatry and works based salvation, both of which cause people to burn in hell for all eternity.

Hey, we can run an eternal experiment... you practice the teachings of catholicism for your salvation, and I'll continue to follow what God actually said in His Word (He has placed His Word above His Name! - see Psalm 138:2), and we'll see who ends up where!
 
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Since things are taught as being what God said to do... when He never said it such as idolatry and works based salvation, both of which cause people to burn in hell for all eternity.

Hey, we can run an eternal experiment... you practice the teachings of catholicism for your salvation, and I'll continue to follow what God actually said in His Word (He has placed His Word above His Name! - see Psalm 138:2), and we'll see who ends up where!

Baseless accusations of 'idolatry' and 'works based salvation' don't produce fruitful discussion and have nothing to do with the topic of the OP. Threatening those who don't follow you with eternal hellfire doesn't help prove your point either.

If you have any proof as such things, invite us to a new thread and we can discuss in a reasonable, calm, and loving manner.

It otherwise appears that the OPs question on infallibility has been properly addressed. Do YOU have more questions on this topic? Infallibility and impeccability are two very different things. Those who fully understand the difference will happily address any questions you have on the topic at hand...

Peace in Christ
 
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Since things are taught as being what God said to do... when He never said it such as idolatry and works based salvation, both of which cause people to burn in hell for all eternity.

Hey, we can run an eternal experiment... you practice the teachings of catholicism for your salvation, and I'll continue to follow what God actually said in His Word (He has placed His Word above His Name! - see Psalm 138:2), and we'll see who ends up where!
Well, I guess you'd have to prove that the Church teaches that we practice idolatry, and that the Church teaches that we believe in works based salvation...both of which are false.

I will practice the teachings of Catholicism as perfectly as I can, regardless of what you do. Good luck.
 
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"You shall know them by their fruits"

What kind of fruit is witnessed in one who pronounces on another's Salvation, and does so in a condescending manner? Food for thought Farm Truck.

God alone will judge, and we can only commit ourselves to his abundant mercy and follow Christ as best we can by grace. Further, we ought to pray for others and hope in the grace and mercy of God for their souls, rather than threatening them with Hell or supposing to know their fate.

Why not take some time to learn about the Catholic Church rather than simply bashing what you do not know? Have you read the early church fathers? I'd recommend starting with Ignatius of Antioch and Clement of Rome, both of whom personally studied under the apostles themselves.
 
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