Why Catholics Are Right

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Salvation through self-righteous smugness. Ugh. That put me off Catholicism for years.

It’s not the slightest bit different from saying “The Communist Party is always right”. It’s just another form of sectarian tribalism that glorifies the all-perfect Party. Who needs Christ for that ?

If a Church can get on by being sectarian and by doing without Christ, it is in serious trouble.
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I have been thinking about the following questions lately:

-How did Christians get access to the Bible before the printing press was invented in the 15th century A.D. ?

-Why are there more than 200 denominations outside the Catholic Church ?

-Why are the Hollywood and the secular mass media fond of attacking the Catholic Church, but not any other Christian denomination ?

-What did Our Lord mean in Matthew 25:31-46 ?
(“When the Son of Man comes in his glory ... All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats... Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me...
Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me
.")

-Can we dismiss the Fatima apparitions and Lourdes miraculous healings simply as works of the devil ?

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I have answers to Your Questions

You asked - How did Christians get access to the Bible before the printing press was invented in the 15th century A.D.

The Answer is -- That there were many Hebrew and Greek Manuscripts throughout the Middle East, Europe and Africa.


OK - Basic Facts - Most educated people in the Middle East Shortly after *( Yahoshua) Jesus resurrection - mostly spoke Italian, Greek or Hebrew or Arabic.

THE FACT IS - The Only Known * Complete * and - FIRST - bible Translation, that was Translated, was around the Years 150 - 250 AD.

It was called The - Vetus Italia ( Old Latin Translation ) From AD 150 - 250 -

This Translation originated and Was translated in Northern Africa There was also a European version dated around the same time which was copied frequently in Italy, Gaul and Spain.

There May also have been other Verses or Books translated into Aramaic or possibly - even some Canaanite Languages. But most these neighboring countries with other Languages did not have enough people with resources that were interested in the Bible, to preserve or MAINTAIN - a translation throughout the Centuries. And the Roman Catholic Church did not Assist them in Producing, Preserving or Spreading a Bible in their Translation. / Language. They were the 200 denominations outside of the Catholic Church who never existed.

Alot of Catholics are confused, thinking that their Church has something to do with the bible. But the FACT is that the Roman Catholic Church did not have any interest in teaching, spreading or introducing the ORIGINAL Bible *( in its Basic, original - Message Structure ) to its Neighboring civilizations, who spoke other Languages.

The Roman Catholic Church did not Even Produce a *** Roman CATHOLIC Produced *** translation of the bible until 400 ( Four Hundred ! ) Years after the Death + resurection of *( Yahoshua) Jesus.

Then, this behavior - continued on for nearly another 2000 Years. Finaly in the 15 th Century, The Roman Catholic Church Produced it's FIRST bible Translation into Another Language / Other than Latin. this Bible was the Douay - Rheims Bible.

So you can see, Catholic have never really been all that interested in the Bible or in Producing a translation for others who dont speak italian. I took them 400 Years after Christ, to Make the first Catholic / Vatican Made translation. 400 Years. !

then it took Catholics - another 1500 years to take it to another Language. I feel that The bible is not that important to most Catholics.

So - Back to Your Question - How did Christians get access to the Bible before the printing press was invented in the 15th century A.D. ?

if there were any original Hebrew, Greek or other Languages translated. from from the Original Manuscripts. the Roman Catholic Church / VATICAN - Does not Have OR SPREAD OR SHOW TO HAVE much original content. They Never made complete translations for spreading the bible and never Preserved or Stored anything - For Spreading SHARING or translating them for other people of different languages, until the 20 th Century. .. AFTER the non catholic people began to gain access to these hoarded texts. that were banned, outlawed and made illegal and hidden. the catholic church did not think it important to spread the the Gospel with the Bible translated and complete - no production in other languages. This was punished and frowned upon and just did not happen .

The - Vetus Italia ( Old Latin Translation ) From AD 150 - 250 is in the Library in England. Rome does not even Have this Manuscript Preserved in its Vatican. Catholics have no Preserved translations in other languages. ( Until AFTER the printing Press ) Possible - Because it simply did not Work at Making the bible available nor preserved the bible in any way. but worked only, to the mass production and spreading or making or OVER populating the Greek and Hebrew Manuscript system, with Greek and Hebrew copies that were filled with EXTRA Added and manipulating words . using Extra fanciful ( Idea and Sentence Structuring Changes )) -With many, Many, Many, MANY Modern Verbs, adjectives adverbs pronouns prepositions - to the original Greek and Hebrew Manuscripts. That basically were not present in the Original. Rome has not Preserved OR SHARED or Spread much of the Original Content and has not felt it important to translate the bible for anyone unless it is forced to do so by Keeping up with current translations that slip by their grip.

The Bible is Originally Written in a very, Very simple Language Structure. Using Sentence structures such as ---------- Me Go Home MEANING I am Going Home.

or You Come Mountain evening. Meaning You come to the Mountain this Evening.

Or For Example ----


2Co 5:21 For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.

Basically - the original GREEK Manuscript - Said -

2Co 5:21 Because - Making / Doing Sin - For Us - Having No Sin. - Resulting - We Become Righteousness - God Among Yourselves.

All these Extra Words in the translations - Such as

he , him , - to be , - might , AND In Him.
These Other Words were added by translators into the Translation to Explain the Meaning of the Original.

And that is Good, To a point.

But Translators have Altered, Manipulated and Changed the Meaning of Many, Many Verses to Satisfy their own opinions and the views and opinions of others around them. Adjusting to the Times, to sell, Market and Spread the translation.

New translations are only made - to keep up with the Times.
 
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Allot of People do not realize that not only did Jesus not declare in “” Mat 16:19 “; I will give to YOU.. The Keys TO the kingdom of heaven: That whatsoever YOU bind on earth is BOUND in heaven: and whatsoever YOU will loose on earth is loosed in heaven.

But - This is not WHAT the original Text Says., ;............... Lets look at the original. Greek.


Mat 16:19 And G2532 I will give G1325 unto thee G4671 the G3588 key G2807 of the G3588 kingdom G932 of heaven: G3772 and G2532 whatsoever G3739 G1437 thou shalt bind G1210 on G1909 earth G1093 shall G2071 be bound G1210 in G1722 heaven: G3772 and G2532 whatsoever G3739 G1437 thou shalt loose G3089 on G1909 earth G1093 shall be G2071 loosed G3089 in G1722 heaven G3772
........________________________________________________________________________________

The Fact is - The Words - I will / thou shalt / thou shalt Are not Part of the Original Greek Manuscripts. The Translators Falsely Slipped in these EXTRA Words .

Mat 16:19 Simply Says And give You the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever IF bound on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever IF loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven
........______________________ Jesus is never recorded Using the WORDS I and You .

The WORDS I and You . are not in the original . The Catholic Church Should be spreading this message. Instead of re inventing theology, based on false misrepresentation of the Scriptures.
 
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-Can we dismiss the Fatima apparitions and Lourdes miraculous healings simply as works of the devil ?

Are you Catholic? It appears that you are going in the wrong direction. See this link:
https://churchpop.com/2015/03/20/this-protestant-researched-marian-miracles/

Rejoice if you are Catholic, for we have the most number of miracles and direct interaction with heaven compared with other denominations. Embrace the benefits of Catholic tradition, the benefits of God directly speaking to man thru the ages through Catholic prophets, seers and saints.
 
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It's kind of interesting that Michael Coren, who wrote the book, has gone back to the Anglican Church. Not sure why he would after writing this wonderful book. But just because a person writes a book or produces videos and then later leaves or is found wanting (as in the case of Fr. Corapi), if he wrote truth, he wrote truth.
 
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It's kind of interesting that Michael Coren, who wrote the book, has gone back to the Anglican Church. Not sure why he would after writing this wonderful book. But just because a person writes a book or produces videos and then later leaves or is found wanting (as in the case of Fr. Corapi), if he wrote truth, he wrote truth.

The major impetus seems to be he changed his mind about what the Church teaches about homosexuality.

I don't think that totally discredits the book, though. I used to be Orthodox, and I could say alot of good things about that church and its approach as well, even while not being able to be in communion with it.
 
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The major impetus seems to be he changed his mind about what the Church teaches about homosexuality.

I don't think that totally discredits the book, though. I used to be Orthodox, and I could say alot of good things about that church and its approach as well, even while not being able to be in communion with it.
Is Coren gay?
 
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The major impetus seems to be he changed his mind about what the Church teaches about homosexuality.

I don't think that totally discredits the book, though. I used to be Orthodox, and I could say alot of good things about that church and its approach as well, even while not being able to be in communion with it.
I don't think it discredits the book either, not a bit. What I was saying is, if the book was right to begin with, the author changing his mind has no effect. In the case of Fr. Corapi, he basically quit the priesthood and had issues with his order over property rights and other things. But his videos were very good and truthful, and regardless of what happened to him, I still love his videos, if I can find them.
 
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Is Coren gay?

No.

Apparently, his joining the Anglican church surprised a lot of people. But a lot of his public persona, it turns out, was a bit "theatric" and didn't fully present the depth of his personality.
 
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I have answers to Your Questions
You get an 'A' for effort, but you made some whopper mistakes. For one, you didn't even know of the German Catholic complete Bible translations before Luther. Oh well. Lots of other errors in what you posted. Too many to enumerate.

You might benefit from reading Henry Graham's book 'Where We Got the Bible'.
 
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