What the rules for making aliyah to Israel

FromOfOld said:

Do you have to be Jewish to go to Israel? I mean, I keep kosher, Sabbath, the Moeds. Is there a Torah cycle teaching which encourages the commandment of circumcision, and would it suffice, at the point, that I could make Aliyah then?

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No, you just have to have a valid passport to visit. (plural of moed is moedim)

FromOfOld said:

Do you have to be Jewish to go to Israel? I mean, I keep kosher, Sabbath, the Moeds. Is there a Torah cycle teaching which encourages the commandment of circumcision, and would it suffice, at the point, that I could make Aliyah then?

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You have to be Jewish to make Aliyah. In broad terms, that's about it. Of course there's rules around that, but that's the bottom line.

FromOfOld said:

Do you have to be Jewish to go to Israel? I mean, I keep kosher, Sabbath, the Moeds. Is there a Torah cycle teaching which encourages the commandment of circumcision, and would it suffice, at the point, that I could make Aliyah then?

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Discussion on Circumcision

http://www.christianforums.com/threads/are-gentiles-required-to-practice-circumcision.7871350/

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Are gentiles required to practice circumcision?
Are gentiles required to practice circumcision?

In order to make aliyah (under the law of return) you have to be one of the following:
-a Jew who has not accepted a different religion
-married to a Jew
-the child or grandchild of a Jew even if you are not Jewish
-married to the child or grandchild of a Jew, even if you are not Jewish.

I am sure there are ways for some non-Jews to move to Israel, but I am not familiar with them.

ChavaK said:

In order to make aliyah (under the law of return) you have to be one of the following:
-a Jew who has not accepted a different religion
-married to a Jew
-the child or grandchild of a Jew even if you are not Jewish
-married to the child or grandchild of a Jew, even if you are not Jewish.

I am sure there are ways for some non-Jews to move to Israel, but I am not familiar with them.

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Funny, if you look at it objectively, it's incredibly discriminatory and racist, eh? Indeed rare for the modern age.

ContraMundum said:

Funny, if you look at it objectively, it's incredibly discriminatory and racist, eh? Indeed rare for the modern age.

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Common in all ages. On the Carnal Level you have the White Nation, Black Nation and Ethnic Jew, for example.

Historical race concepts

"The word "race", interpreted to mean common descent, was introduced into English in about 1580, from the Old French rasse (1512), from Italian razza, which may have been derived from the Arabic Word "ras" "رأس" meaning the head of someone or something...."

"..During the Age of Enlightenment, Europeans tried to define race as a biological concept, in keeping with their scientific ideas...."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_race_concepts#Etymology

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Jehovah/Yahweh discriminates and practices Racism on a deeper Spiritual Level to distinguish and separate his people from other nations.

The True nation of Spiritual Israel is Morally Superior to any other nation because they have the righteousness of the Father.


Leviticus 18:30 Young's Literal Translation (YLT)

30 and ye have kept My charge, so as not to do [any] of the abominable statutes which have been done before you, and ye do not defile yourselves with them; I [am] Jehovah your God.'



Deuteronomy 9:5 Young's Literal Translation (YLT)

5 not for thy righteousness, and for the uprightness of thy heart, art thou going in to possess their land; but for the wickedness of these nations is Jehovah thy God dispossessing them from before thee; and in order to establish the word which Jehovah hath sworn to thy fathers, to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob;



1 Samuel 16:7 King James Version (KJV)

7 But the Lord said unto Samuel, Look not on his countenance, or on the height of his stature; because I have refused him: for the Lord seeth not as man seeth; for man looketh on the outward appearance, but the Lord looketh on the heart.

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ContraMundum said:

Funny, if you look at it objectively, it's incredibly discriminatory and racist, eh? Indeed rare for the modern age.

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It is so incredibly racist and discriminatory for a country to decide who is and is not a citizen.

danny ski said:

It is so incredibly racist and discriminatory for a country to decide who is and is not a citizen.

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It is necessary for a country to clearly define who is a citizen within its borders using race identification and discriminatory practices.

Let the Father in Heaven and Carnal Man define their own citizens. The True followers of Christ seek citizenship of a heavenly country.


Hebrews 11:16 King James Version (KJV)

16 But now they desire a better country, that is, an heavenly: wherefore God is not ashamed to be called their God: for he hath prepared for them a city.



Philippians 3:20 Young's Literal Translation (YLT)

20 For our citizenship is in the heavens, whence also a Saviour we await -- the Lord Jesus Christ --

Call up NFesh B Nfesh and ask them!

Aryeh Jay said:

I know, it is sooo much easier becoming a citizen of Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Iran, Egypt, Jordan, Lebanon, Turkey, Indonesia…

Racist? Did you miss Operations Moses and Solomon?

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Race= The Jews in this case. Ops Moses and Solomon were about rescuing Jews. The color of their skin doesn't matter if you're Jewish.

danny ski said:

It is so incredibly racist and discriminatory for a country to decide who is and is not a citizen.

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Guys, settle down. I said "if you look at it objectively, it's incredibly discriminatory and racist, eh? Indeed rare for the modern age."

It is rather out of step with democracies. I can't think of a democracy on the planet other than Israel that decides who gets to be a citizen based on race and religion. Sure, Muslim countries do exactly that, but they're essentially backward, and rarely democracies- and if I am correct, Muslim democracies such as Indonesia and Malaysia don't scan your race or religion for eligibility for citizenship.

I'm not saying Israel is "wrong" for choosing to select citizens based on race and religion. It's just rare and out of touch with the modern democratic ideology and zeitgeist. Rather than defend an indefensible point, just accept that it's out of step with the planet and move on.

ContraMundum said:

Race= The Jews in this case. Ops Moses and Solomon were about rescuing Jews. The color of their skin doesn't matter if you're Jewish.



Guys, settle down. I said "if you look at it objectively, it's incredibly discriminatory and racist, eh? Indeed rare for the modern age."

It is rather out of step with democracies. I can't think of a democracy on the planet other than Israel that decides who gets to be a citizen based on race and religion. Sure, Muslim countries do exactly that, but they're essentially backward, and rarely democracies- and if I am correct, Muslim democracies such as Indonesia and Malaysia don't scan your race or religion for eligibility for citizenship.

I'm not saying Israel is "wrong" for choosing to select citizens based on race and religion. It's just rare and out of touch with the modern democratic ideology and zeitgeist. Rather than defend an indefensible point, just accept that it's out of step with the planet and move on.

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The question in the thread is about making aliyah. That is only available under the Law of Return. There's nothing racist about it objectively or otherwise. The Law of Return is available to Jews wanting to RETURN to the Jewish home land. There's a naturalization process available to non Jews that involves residency requirements-just like in my home country.

danny ski said:

The question in the thread is about making aliyah. That is only available under the Law of Return. There's nothing racist about it objectively or otherwise. The Law of Return is available to Jews wanting to RETURN to the Jewish home land. There's a naturalization process available to non Jews that involves residency requirements-just like in my home country.

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OK...gotcha.

Jewish Rabbi in Florida tell parishioners to flee to Israel. http://www.bhol.co.il/article.aspx?id=81678

visionary said:

Jewish Rabbi in Florida tell parishioners to flee to Israel. http://www.bhol.co.il/article.aspx?id=81678

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"...The Rebbe of Riminov, who visited communities composed of immigrants from South America and from France in Florida, gave an unequivocal order for Jews to leave and go to Israel, saying that a civil war will break out in the US...."


Is not the reason that Barak Obama was installed as Proxy President to bring about a Racial Civil War?

Is not the reason that Barak Obama was installed as Proxy President to glorify and cement the Triumph of the Will of the Carnal Man?

Elihoenai said:

"...The Rebbe of Riminov, who visited communities composed of immigrants from South America and from France in Florida, gave an unequivocal order for Jews to leave and go to Israel, saying that a civil war will break out in the US...."


Is not the reason that Barak Obama was installed as President to bring about a Racial Civil War?

Is not the reason that Barak Obama was installed as President to glorify and cement the Triumph of the Will of the Carnal Man?

Triumph des Willens (1935) - Triumph of the Will

Jade Helm 15

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What reasons people got Obama the Presidential chair twice... and what reasons Obama took the chair... are two different reasons.

FromOfOld said:

Do you have to be Jewish to go to Israel? I mean, I keep kosher, Sabbath, the Moeds. Is there a Torah cycle teaching which encourages the commandment of circumcision, and would it suffice, at the point, that I could make Aliyah then?

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Making Aliyah in modern terms is to immigrate and you have to be able to show CLEAR and compelling evidence that you are Jewish. Our rabbi's son made Aliyah and he had to show an unbroken lineage of maternal Jewishness back I believe it was 3 or 4 generations. This when he has cousins (in their 80;s now) who were among the first people to move to Israel in the 1940's. He is also serving a FULL term in the Israeli defense force.

If you are just visiting all you need is a visitor's visa

Good news for Messianics... http://www.israeltoday.co.il/NewsItem/tabid/178/nid/24405/

How can a country that is at enmity with the laws of Jehovah/Yahweh and that is called by the name Israel be Israel?

Homosexuals Destroy Israeli Messianic Business


"...The Jerusalem District Court has ordered Moshav Yad Hashmonah, a community of Messianic Jews and Evangelical Christians, to pay compensation to two lesbians after it refused to host a same-sex wedding reception. "We knew we were breaking the law. Somebody needed to do it." says Ayelet Ronen, general secretary for the village...."



"...Judge Cohen held that the Moshav cannot refuse to host a same-sex wedding reception even if doing so goes against their own conscious. The Moshav's lawyer, Michael Decker, challenged that ruling, asking the judge, "What if a Catholic went to an Orthodox Jewish carpentry in [the ultra-Orthodox town of] Bnei Barack and asked them to build a statue of
Mary? Would they have to build the idolatrous image?"

The judge replied: "They would have to make it or else be fined. That is the law."..."

http://www.israeltoday.co.il/NewsItem/tabid/178/nid/24704/Default.aspx?article=related_stories

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Tel Aviv declared world's best gay travel destination

In a world-wide survey hosted GayCities.com and American Airlines, 43 percent of voters cast their ballot in favor of the White City, pushing it ahead of other proud towns including New York, Toronto and London.

http://www.haaretz.com/travel-in-is...-world-s-best-gay-travel-destination-1.406699

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Deuteronomy 6:4 Young's Literal Translation (YLT)

4 `Hear, O Israel, Jehovah our God [is] one Jehovah;



James 2:10 Young's Literal Translation (YLT)

10 for whoever the whole law shall keep, and shall stumble in one [point], he hath become guilty of all;