Near death, or totally dead, saying "Jewish culture in Heaven."

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Dean Braxton is a Baptist preacher who had a cardiac arrest and no respiration for 1 hour and 45 minutes. This is documented. In fact, you can see a clip below of his critical care doctor using the word "miracle" and saying Braxton "was really, really dead for a long time." He now is perfectly normal and healthy.


In this 2nd vid Braxton tells how "There is a Jewish culture in Heaven", though he says it is actually Heavenly, just copied by the Jews (really Israelites, of course.)


In the book by Messianic Jonathan Bernis called A Rabbi Looks At The Afterlife, we see a few comments from other nonJewish near death experiencers who talk about "Jewish" things seen, like a Menorah and a shofar and the kinds of garments the priests wore in the Temple.

Just fyi, mho, other Youtube vids on Braxton are the most complete and fascinating accounts of Heaven that I have ever heard. Miss your pet that passed on? Braxton (and others) saw pets and other animals in Heaven! He backs up what he saw by showing that the Bible has horses in Heaven and a flying, talking eagle. Braxton says he was amazed at how many horses he saw in Heaven. Maybe because they have given the most humble, even sometimes slave like, service on earth? Rhetorical Q. If you don't buy any of this, like the guy says, "That's okay. You'll find out."

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shepherd master - The word "sleep" is used both literally and figuratively in Scriptures. I can't wrap my mind around people being in Heaven, even at the very Throne of YHWH, while speaking to Him...and yet they aren't in Heaven, and yet they are asleep?

And yes, I will pray for you to see that. You aren't my "shepherd master", Messiah is my Master Shepherd and He wants us to pray for others.

As far as John 3:13 is concerned, you might want to do a Google search and use your concordance on that one. There are certainly Biblical scholars who say the verse is being misunderstood because it is taken out of context, for ex.:
https://www.learnthebible.org/john-313-contradiction-or-not.html

Whatever, the Bible is not illogical. The first law of logic is that two contradictory statements cannot both be true. It cannot both be true that no saints can be in Heaven, and yet they are in Heaven, even at the very Throne of the Father. It cannot both be true that saints are asleep in death and yet they are talking to Him at the same time! We were given common sense for a reason.

I could say more, but as for debating this with you any further, as you said, "Why bother?" The Word is there plainly to see from the true Shepherd Master. "Let those see who have eyes to see" and may those who do not have such eyes receive them in the future. My experience to date is that people who hold your point of view just ignore, won't even reference, the Scripture from Revelation and the detailed accounts of prophets in Heaven, but simply keep reiterating the verses that they think support no people being in Heaven.

Most of all, of course, we are to treat others with respect and love. If we do that and we don't believe this or that about when people are in Heaven, we still do well.
 
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I just don't see the value of NDE or visions like this. What good are they ?

People see visions that completely contradict one another.
Many people see visions of The Lady. A large number of people saw the Fatima miracle of the sun. Lots and lots of Evangelicals see visions of heaven that completely contradict the "Jewish" version of heaven mentioned in this thread. Some Mormons see visions that fit with and justify Mormonism. Muslims see visions where Jesus is a Muslim hovering over the kaaba with his face all aflame, and so on. Raelists see visions of Jesus aboard a flying saucer. Throughout history, lots and lots of people have seen visions of Shiva, Krishna and Devi.
 
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This guy's visions are consistent with Scripture. For just one small ex. he saw horses in Heaven and horses are mentioned as being in Heaven. Also, he is a walking miracle. He was dead for 1 hour and 3/4. He had no respiration, no heart beat. Yet, as his critical care doctor said it is a "miracle" that he is now totally normal. This gives Dean Braxton credibility, at least to me and so many others. I don't think Abba raises people from that kind of death for them to go out and spread lies. But you can believe whatever you want to!

Yes, there are inconsistencies in what people say, especially from other religions. It is the devil's full time job to confuse and deceive people. I'm sure people have indeed seen Shiva and other pagan gods as those are real and, as Paul said, demons.

We are all wise to pray for discernment and protection from deception. We are also wise to pray to recognize the truth when we see it. But again, you believe whatever you want. Again, as Braxton said, "That's okay. You'll find out."
 
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So what if it lines up with Scripture ?

Faking it is EASIER if you make it line up with scripture.
There's millions of people (including, or perhaps predominantly, false prophets) who have had completely uncontroversial visions where nothing dramatic or weird happened, nothing you would consider unscriptural.

as Braxton said, "That's okay. You'll find out."

Yes well said. Joseph Smith and Muhammed said the same. Doesn't make Braxton a deceiver, but it doesn't mean he is genuine either.

I am just saying, I have never seen anything good or Godly come out of obsessing over NDEs and visions and things like this. So I personally wouldn't place any stock in such "private revelations" even if they DID line up with my reading of scripture.
 
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Tell you what, you die for 1 hour and 45 minutes. Have it documented that your heart stopped and your respiration stopped all that time. Have it documented, as is the case with Braxton, that every organ in your body shut down. Then come back and have no brain damage, and in fact have no permanent damage of any kind. You do that and I'll call you evidence that amazing miracles happen. I'll also be real interested in anything you have to report about the time while you were "away."

In the meantime, frankly, it's not some anonymous poster's opinion on a near death experience that counts at all with me, it's the story of one who was "really, really dead for a long time" and is now normal. Why should I consider you to be an expert on the topic rather than him, a walking, talking series of medical miracles? Rhetorical Q but of course I certainly do not!

You are free to believe what you want but I believe Dean Braxton told the truth. The best part of his testimony is the very moving description of the Father's and the Son's love for us. I pray you won't miss out on the blessing that has been given to those who will accept it.
 
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Where in the Bible does it say that there can be no life after death experiences "because the resurrection hasn't happened"?

2 Corinthians 12
2I know a man in Christ who fourteen years ago-- whether in the body I do not know, or out of the body I do not know, God knows-- such a man was caught up to the third heaven. 3And I know how such a man-- whether in the body or apart from the body I do not know, God knows-- 4was caught up into Paradise and heard inexpressible words, which a man is not permitted to speak.…


Most scholars think Paul was speaking of himself. We know he was left for dead once after being stoned.

In any case I believe Braxton's story that he was "caught up into paradise" is credible. Have you listened to it? There might be some awesome blessings there for you. :) There were for me!
 
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Where in the Bible does it say that there can be no life after death experiences "because the resurrection hasn't happened"?

2 Corinthians 12
2I know a man in Christ who fourteen years ago-- whether in the body I do not know, or out of the body I do not know, God knows-- such a man was caught up to the third heaven. 3And I know how such a man-- whether in the body or apart from the body I do not know, God knows-- 4was caught up into Paradise and heard inexpressible words, which a man is not permitted to speak.…


Most scholars think Paul was speaking of himself. We know he was left for dead once after being stoned.

In any case I believe Braxton's story that he was "caught up into paradise" is credible. Have you listened to it? There might be some awesome blessings there for you. :) There were for me!
Scripture indicates that our thoughts cease when we die... Being caught up into heaven... is nothing unusual for those in vision. Visions do not happen when you are dead.

One of the most dangerous things is the first lie... you shall not die... Life after death is currently the most promoted.... doesn't make it true. It could easily be true that he was caught up in a vision.. but that doesn't make it what happened when he was dead.
 
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"Scriptures indicate that our thoughts stop when we die." Well, in Revelation we see martyred saints crying out to the Father, asking when their murderers will receive justice. How can you not be thinking while you are aware of what is going on upon the earth (like that those people are still alive) and while you are speaking? It's not possible.

"Scriptures indicate" is not the way to go. This leaves it all up to the personal interpretation of someone. The way to go is "The Scriptures say." The Scriptures say those saints are awake and highly aware.

The Scriptures also say that there were prophets who were caught up to Heaven. This apparently incudes Paul. Heaven is a place. Some have been there and come back and given reports on what they saw and heard. That's what the Bible says.

Where is anyone saying "You shall not die?" In the case of Braxton he was clinically dead, no heart beat, no respiration, with all vital organs shut down for 1 and 3/4 documented hours. He died. Yet he is alive and well now. It's what you call a bunch of miracles in response to the many prayers being offered for him.
 
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"Scriptures indicate that our thoughts stop when we die." Well, in Revelation we see martyred saints crying out to the Father, asking when their murderers will receive justice. How can you not be thinking while you are aware of what is going on upon the earth (like that those people are still alive) and while you are speaking? It's not possible.
When at the moment of death, the victim cries out for justice, are they not recorded in heaven? Is that not going to be resounding in the heavenly courts to our heavenly father until justice is done. or Does that mean that heaven is full of dead people crying out for justice.. which would not be a heavenly place if those who passes on are not at peace.
"Scriptures indicate" is not the way to go. This leaves it all up to the personal interpretation of someone. The way to go is "The Scriptures say." The Scriptures say those saints are awake and highly aware.
Yes, you can have living saints... Here are the saints, Here are they who keep the commandments of God and have the faith of Yeshua.
The Scriptures also say that there were prophets who were caught up to Heaven. This apparently incudes Paul. Heaven is a place. Some have been there and come back and given reports on what they saw and heard. That's what the Bible says.
Yes, you do not have to die to go to heaven.
Where is anyone saying "You shall not die?"
satan's first lie in the garden of eden.
In the case of Braxton he was clinically dead, no heart beat, no respiration, with all vital organs shut down for 1 and 3/4 documented hours. He died. Yet he is alive and well now. It's what you call a bunch of miracles in response to the many prayers being offered for him.
Again, Braxton will not have no memory, no thoughts, while dead. He will however will have thoughts memories in the few moments before death and upon resuscitation. In those moments there are shut down thoughts and restart thoughts.

Videos of the vapors that rises in the form of the human body upon death are the spirit that returns to God. They are not the soul nor the body, but the breath that God gave them.
 
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If you don't see what I have been trying to show you through the martyred saints in Heaven, if you don't want to believe the testimony of a man who literally rose from the dead after being dead for a long time, that's up to you. Best I can do. Perhaps the information will bless you later. I'm sure it will bless some others as it has blessed me. In fact this man's testimony has blessed countless others. I'm not going to debate it anymore as that is surely a waste of time.
 
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Dean Braxton is a Baptist preacher who had a cardiac arrest and no respiration for 1 hour and 45 minutes. This is documented. In fact, you can see a clip below of his critical care doctor using the word "miracle" and saying Braxton "was really, really dead for a long time." He now is perfectly normal and healthy.


In this 2nd vid Braxton tells how "There is a Jewish culture in Heaven", though he says it is actually Heavenly, just copied by the Jews (really Israelites, of course.)


In the book by Messianic Jonathan Bernis called A Rabbi Looks At The Afterlife, we see a few comments from other nonJewish near death experiencers who talk about "Jewish" things seen, like a Menorah and a shofar and the kinds of garments the priests wore in the Temple.

Just fyi, mho, other Youtube vids on Braxton are the most complete and fascinating accounts of Heaven that I have ever heard. Miss your pet that passed on? Braxton (and others) saw pets and other animals in Heaven! He backs up what he saw by showing that the Bible has horses in Heaven and a flying, talking eagle. Braxton says he was amazed at how many horses he saw in Heaven. Maybe because they have given the most humble, even sometimes slave like, service on earth? Rhetorical Q. If you don't buy any of this, like the guy says, "That's okay. You'll find out."

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Wow!!!!

I listened to several of his videos over this past week or so. Amazing!!!
 
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Rabbi Alon Anava certainly came back from his brush with death with a deep appreciation for Jewish culture.

Then fifteen year old Natan back in 2015 had a near death experience and reported being shown that even wearing tzitzit was important and accomplished more than we can imagine in the invisible realms around us.
 
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Where in the Bible does it say that there can be no life after death experiences "because the resurrection hasn't happened"?

2 Corinthians 12
2I know a man in Christ who fourteen years ago-- whether in the body I do not know, or out of the body I do not know, God knows-- such a man was caught up to the third heaven. 3And I know how such a man-- whether in the body or apart from the body I do not know, God knows-- 4was caught up into Paradise and heard inexpressible words, which a man is not permitted to speak.…


Most scholars think Paul was speaking of himself. We know he was left for dead once after being stoned.

In any case I believe Braxton's story that he was "caught up into paradise" is credible. Have you listened to it? There might be some awesome blessings there for you. :) There were for me!
What is death if it isn't the absence of life?
 
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I am not surprised by this and have wondered when it would come to light. Hebrews cha 9 tells us that the temple worship on earth is only a copy of what was already going on in Heaven.
 
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