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It's strange that you would say that because when Obama was elected some people were trying to say that Hawaii was not a real state.

I don't see why that is strange.

I don't go by what the birthers claim about Obama.
 
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That is the one good thing about the republican party, they never make an promises, vote them in and the average American can be sure they will get only what's left after the big players have had what they want.

Republicans seem to be the kind of people who if I conned them out of most of their money they would continue to vote for me just as long as I told them I was a believer.
How many atheists in the government? 1 or 2? that is statistically impossible, at least 10% of them should be atheists,
how many of them told lies just to get voted into office?

Actually, your statistics claim for government is flawed. The issue is, in almost every state and congressional district there is a majority who claim to be Christian, and a significant percentage that will only vote for a Christian candidate. As such, since all Congressional/Senate races are decided by the majority, the winners are overwhelmingly Christian.
 
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Yes, seems to be a pattern in their campaign strategy: appease the people with programs and promises, get more votes, and give their buddies more $100k administration jobs while holding the average person down with more government regulations.

It's cute that you make it sound like a bad to do things for American citizens "appease the people with programs and promises". :D
tulc(supposes it is kind of counter Republican to do things for non-millionaires) :wave:
 
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Actually, your statistics claim for government is flawed. The issue is, in almost every state and congressional district there is a majority who claim to be Christian, and a significant percentage that will only vote for a Christian candidate. As such, since all Congressional/Senate races are decided by the majority, the winners are overwhelmingly Christian.

His point was, there is not an equal representation of atheists in elected positions, that mirrors the general population and he is correct.

There is no question, anyone running for a senate seat, house of representatives and or president, is more than likely going to claim they are a christian, even if they don't believe any of it. I would imagine, there are quite a few senators and congressman, who claim to be christian and go through the motions, but are really atheist or agnostic.
 
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Yes, seems to be a pattern in their campaign strategy: appease the people with programs and promises, get more votes, and give their buddies more $100k administration jobs while holding the average person down with more government regulations.


What do you propose is the reason they should switch to voting republican?
 
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It's cute that you make it sound like a bad to do things for American citizens "appease the people with programs and promises". :D
tulc(supposes it is kind of counter Republican to do things for non-millionaires) :wave:
Here is an actual example of the "cute" appeasement stuff:

Obamacare: I use to be able to pay for my own healthcare coverage. As soon as Obamacare come into effect, my rate doubled, my benefits were cut in half, and now those cute American people are paying 3/4 of my bill for me. I could be happy (appeased), but for all the other cuties sake, I'm really not.
 
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Here is an actual example of the "cute" appeasement stuff:

Obamacare: I use to be able to pay for my own healthcare coverage. As soon as Obamacare come into effect, my rate double, my benefits were cut in half, and now those cute American people are paying 3/4 of my bill for me. I could be happy (appeased), but for all the other cuties sake, I'm really not.

Help me with the math here: you paid X then X doubled so for example if you were paying $10 it went to $20 of which you now have to pay $5 because someone else is paying $15 of it? Does that sum it up? :scratch:
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Here is an actual example of the "cute" appeasement stuff:

Obamacare: I use to be able to pay for my own healthcare coverage. As soon as Obamacare come into effect, my rate double, my benefits were cut in half, and now those cute American people are paying 3/4 of my bill for me. I could be happy (appeased), but for all the other cuties sake, I'm really not.
You do realize that Obamacare isn't universal healthcare, so much of the rate hiking is being done by insurance companies and employers who have a convenient scapegoat.

I will say though that the excise tax that is looming for Obamacare has the potential for disastrous effects. Hopefully Sanders gets in before that.
 
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Help me with the math here: you paid X then X doubled so for example if you were paying $10 it went to $20 of which you now have to pay $5 because someone else is paying $15 of it? Does that sum it up? :scratch:
tulc(likes to be clear about these things) :wave:
Yeah, just times it by 10. You got it.
 
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What do you propose is the reason they should switch to voting republican?
The Republican party (for lack of something better) is the BYOB party: No frills, no seating chart, butt out, be your own whatever, without all the oversight. In fact, without all the in-your-face entitlement demands, I would go so far as to say that deregulating things as controversial as abortion would be a slam dunk.
 
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If money was a driving force in America entering WW2, why then drop the atomic bombs? If they didn't drop those bombs, the war could have been extended much longer and more money made.
I didn't say it was a driving force I said there was money to be made, there always is if all a country has to lose is lives,
apart from Hawaii the US was never under attack so all that suffered was the people who we know wanted to fight.
In regards to infrastructure the US was losing nothing and gaining everything, people setting up a belt buckle factory became millionaires, roads, bridges, ship yards and factories were built and people were employed, the whole country came alive,
apart from the loss of life the country itself benefited greatly from the war.

Why did they drop the bombs? It got to a point at the end of the war when people started thinking they were losing too many lives and were about to lose an awful lot more if they attacked the Japanese mainland, that's why the bombs were dropped.

Diplomacy is knowing when and when not to do or say something.
 
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Actually, your statistics claim for government is flawed. The issue is, in almost every state and congressional district there is a majority who claim to be Christian, and a significant percentage that will only vote for a Christian candidate. As such, since all Congressional/Senate races are decided by the majority, the winners are overwhelmingly Christian.
Or just say they are Christian because it makes sense knowing what will happen if they say they are atheists..
As Frank Schaeffer said: The village is being run to suit the village idiots.
 
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The Republican party (for lack of something better) is the BYOB party: No frills, no seating chart, butt out, be your own whatever, without all the oversight. In fact, without all the in-your-face entitlement demands, I would go so far as to say that deregulating things as controversial as abortion would be a slam dunk.
Have you actually, um, looked at Republican policies? Because they are very anti-abortion, and abortion is legal, btw, already. But to suggest it would be "deregulated" (by which I assume you mean 'on demand') doesn't make any sense at all, given that the most conservative/Republican states are trying to bring in legislation (and often succeed) that further limit women's rights to abortion. So, I don't know which Republican party it is that you're thinking about. Maybe one on Mars?
 
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The Republican party (for lack of something better) is the BYOB party: No frills, no seating chart, butt out, be your own whatever, without all the oversight. In fact, without all the in-your-face entitlement demands, I would go so far as to say that deregulating things as controversial as abortion would be a slam dunk.


This has not been my experience of the Republican party. While they do seem to want to do away with some regulation that seems to be more in the business direction. The regulation that most minorities care about seems to be opposed by the current republican platform. They certainly are attempting to limit abortions. So why would minorities join the platform that actively works against their interests? The democrats may be using them as you say but they are at least applying some token efforts to address their concerns.
 
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It's been said before but I think it needs saying again, the republican party of today is not the same republican party that your fathers and grandfathers voted for, this republican party is so far right the democrats now occupy the centre where the republicans used to be.
 
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