'Right to die' bill

Colin · Jul 5, 2015

MPs are to consider allowing some terminally ill people in England and Wales to end their lives in a fresh effort to pass "right to die" laws.

The bill is expected to be debated on 11 September. Mr Marris said it could give MPs the first vote on the issue since 1997.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-33060795

This is against the will of God .

I urge you , if you are a UK citizen , to contact your MP , and to let him/her know of your opposition to assisted dying and your desire that he/she should vote against the bill .

Before I retired I worked for ten years in a nursing home . I have seen many grow all and many die in different ways for different reasons .

I can understand the thinking behind Rob Marris' private members bill to legalise assisted suicide , but he is so wrong . People need to be allowed to grow old with dignity , and they should never be compelled by misguided opinions to think that they are a burden on others . The laws about suicide have served us well for centuries . It is for good reasons that the law has made assisted suicide illegal .

No matter what safeguards are put in place , it will never be in our interest , especially the interest of the most vulnerable , to allow anyone to assist another to commit suicide . To allow such a thing is the thin end of the wedge , and it is not hard to see how things will develop if such cases are made legal . We only need to look at what has happened in countries where assisted suicide is legal . For example , according to the Remmelink Report commissioned by the Dutch Ministry of Justice, there were over 3,000 deaths from assisted suicides in the Holland in 1990. More than 1,000 of these were not voluntary. This is criminal .

Hard cases make bad laws . None of us like to see people suffer , but none of us should have the right to assist in their suicide .

S.ilvio · Jul 5, 2015

Amen, Colin.

I hope your MP's do not pass this Bill as I am sure it will come to us next...

FlaviusAetius · Jul 5, 2015

BAH

Haven't we realize yet that Christian morality is completely dead in the public sector?!

Every fight is a losing one. The only way Christian views could be supported is in a nation where Christianity is the official religion.

As a large cluster of people in OBOB would argue, "Don't like assisted suicide then don't do it. However others have the right to decide when they want too die."

This is the fate of EVERY issue! Gay marriage, abortion, contraceptives, fetal stem cells, polygamy and any other abomination I may have missed.

Fighting is pointless, just let the bad Christians, atheists and heathens kill themselves when they want.

Colin · Jul 5, 2015

FlaviusAetius said:
BAH

Haven't we realize yet that Christian morality is completely dead in the public sector?!

Every fight is a losing one.

As we were reminded in the Liturgy of the Word this morning , we need to be prophets , to speak out God's message .

"I am sending you to them who are stubborn and obstinate children, and you shall say to them, 'Thus says the Lord GOD.' "As for them, whether they listen or not-- for they are a rebellious house-- they will know that a prophet has been among them. " (Ezekiel 2:4,5) .

Fantine · Jul 5, 2015

To me, the idea of soliciting someone else to assist in one's murder is repugnant.

If someone has a terminal illness, or Alzheimer's, and sincerely wants to end his life, let him do it while he is still capable of doing it all on his own, without involving others.

I realize that there are people who have become injured catastrophically and are in comas or vegetative states--but once again, they don't need assistance to die because they can't ask anyone for assistance and their true wishes can't be decided by others.

Ugh!

Colin · Jul 5, 2015

S.ilvio said:
Amen, Colin.

I hope your MP's do not pass this Bill as I am sure it will come to us next...

Thanks , S.ilvio .

One can only try .

As the saying goes , " The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing. "

We have been silent for too long .

We might not win , but we can put up a good fight .

FlaviusAetius · Jul 5, 2015

Colin said:
As we were reminded in the Liturgy of the Word this morning , we need to be prophets , to speak out God's message .

"I am sending you to them who are stubborn and obstinate children, and you shall say to them, 'Thus says the Lord GOD.' "As for them, whether they listen or not-- for they are a rebellious house-- they will know that a prophet has been among them. " (Ezekiel 2:4,5) .

Well I admire that you still have conviction. The knowledge that we have no chance to stop this kind of "progress" has broken my own spirit.

Colin · Jul 5, 2015

FlaviusAetius said:
Well I admire that you still have conviction. The knowledge that we have no chance to stop this kind of "progress" has broken my own spirit.

It may make you downcast at times , but don't let it break your spirit , or at least don't let it prevent the Holy Spirit from renewing your spirit .

I think of those early Christians opposed by the might of the Roman Empire . They stood firm , and today we have no mighty Roman Empire but we still have the Church .

In the 1960s I recall being on a retreat led by a Jesuit priest . He was a refugee from Soviet dominated Lithuania and had made his home in England . He knew the East and the West . A saying he used often was " In the East they are harsh and cruel . In the West they are soft and lewd . "

Often I think that the harsh , cruel enemy is easier to combat than the soft , lewd one .

Western society is so materialistic that it has no place for the spiritual . It is so easy to get sucked into its values which encroach upon us in a most insidious way . No wonder spirits get drained . We need to put on the armour of God . As St Paul tells us , " Therefore put on the full armour of God, so that when the day of evil comes, you may be able to stand your ground, and after you have done everything, to stand . " (Ephesians 6:13) .

Discouragement is one of Satan's favourite weapons .

Don't let the Devil get you down!

bill5 · Jul 5, 2015

Colin said:
Before I retired I worked for ten years in a nursing home . I have seen many grow all and many die in different ways for different reasons . I can understand the thinking behind Rob Marris' private members bill to legalise assisted suicide , but he is so wrong . People need to be allowed to grow old with dignity

You might want to visit some other nursing homes, because apparently yours was unusually good. I've been to a number of them. Precious few people there were "growing old with dignity."

and they should never be compelled by misguided opinions to think that they are a burden on others .

Do you seriously think that's the only reason, or even the primary one, why someone might want to end their life?

it will never be in our interest ,

How is that relevant? We should be considering their "interest," not ours.

there were over 3,000 deaths from assisted suicides in the Holland in 1990. More than 1,000 of these were not voluntary. This is criminal .

If it was not voluntary, than it wasn't "assisted suicide," but manslaughter if not murder. Entirely different story.

None of us like to see people suffer

True. Perhaps that's why visitations to nursing homes are so infrequent. It's so easy to go "life above all" to ease OUR own conscience and go about our lives w/o thinking about it...meanwhile, many live a life of living hell, hour after hour after day after day after.................

I get RCC's position on this one and not saying I'm entirely opposed. I am saying it's a complex issue and I have mixed feelings. I think quality of life should be taken into account. To do otherwise can be IMO cruel.

bill5 · Jul 5, 2015

FlaviusAetius said:
BAH

Haven't we realize yet that Christian morality is completely dead in the public sector?!

To be fair, this is a Catholic issue, not a Christian one (across the board).

Colin said:
As the saying goes , " The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing. "

We have been silent for too long .

um - what? Euthanasia is illegal the U.S. and most other countries in this world. That's a curious definition of "doing nothing."

Tallguy88 · Jul 5, 2015

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FlaviusAetius · Jul 5, 2015

bill5 said:
To be fair, this is a Catholic issue, not a Christian one (across the board)."

That's news too me, so the mainstream protestant branches are fine with assisted suicide?

Colin · Jul 6, 2015

bill5 said:
I get RCC's position on this one and not saying I'm entirely opposed. I am saying it's a complex issue and I have mixed feelings. I think quality of life should be taken into account. To do otherwise can be IMO cruel.

I have read your comments on my post , Bill .

I agree , it is a complex issue , but some of your comments come across as nitpicking .

I may be wrong , but please read what I have said in the spirit in which I have said them .

There is no need to turn this issue into a futile argument .

Colin · Jul 6, 2015

Tallguy88 said:
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I am puzzled , Tallguy , why this thread has been moved into OBOB Politics .

Has the Forum policy changed since I used to frequent OBOB ?

I am just curious and I need to know the rules for any future posts I make .

Tallguy88 · Jul 6, 2015

Colin said:
I am puzzled , Tallguy , why this thread has been moved into OBOB Politics .

Has the Forum policy changed since I used to frequent OBOB ?

I am just curious and I need to know the rules for any future posts I make .

It's about a political issue, a bill before the UK parliament, if I read the OP correctly. So it fits best in politics. A thread that was about the morality of assisted suicide in general would be OK in the main forum.

IHOM · Jul 6, 2015

The politicans have no real say in the matter the government carry out orders from their banking puppetmasters. They get what they want if its not passed this time then next time it will be... just look at the tpp bill in the usa.

Christ came to forgive sins
The anti christ will come to permit sins

bill5 · Jul 6, 2015

Colin said:
I have read your comments on my post , Bill .

I agree , it is a complex issue , but some of your comments come across as nitpicking .

I may be wrong , but please read what I have said in the spirit in which I have said them .

There is no need to turn this issue into a futile argument .

There is nothing I've said that is "nit picking."

If you only want people who agree with you to respond, pls let us know up front.....

Colin · Jul 7, 2015

bill5 said:
If you only want people who agree with you to respond, pls let us know up front.....

Perhaps you will do likewise , Bill .

Anhelyna · Jul 7, 2015

Please note - this Bill affects England and Wales NOT Scotland

A motion for assisted suicide was raised in Holyrood this year and was rejected by the Scottish Parliament

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...pt-to-legalise-assisted-suicide-10279701.html

pdudgeon · Jul 7, 2015

Colin said:
MPs are to consider allowing some terminally ill people in England and Wales to end their lives in a fresh effort to pass "right to die" laws.

The bill is expected to be debated on 11 September. Mr Marris said it could give MPs the first vote on the issue since 1997.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-33060795

This is against the will of God .

I urge you , if you are a UK citizen , to contact your MP , and to let him/her know of your opposition to assisted dying and your desire that he/she should vote against the bill .

Before I retired I worked for ten years in a nursing home . I have seen many grow all and many die in different ways for different reasons .

I can understand the thinking behind Rob Marris' private members bill to legalise assisted suicide , but he is so wrong . People need to be allowed to grow old with dignity , and they should never be compelled by misguided opinions to think that they are a burden on others . The laws about suicide have served us well for centuries . It is for good reasons that the law has made assisted suicide illegal .

No matter what safeguards are put in place , it will never be in our interest , especially the interest of the most vulnerable , to allow anyone to assist another to commit suicide . To allow such a thing is the thin end of the wedge , and it is not hard to see how things will develop if such cases are made legal . We only need to look at what has happened in countries where assisted suicide is legal . For example , according to the Remmelink Report commissioned by the Dutch Ministry of Justice, there were over 3,000 deaths from assisted suicides in the Holland in 1990. More than 1,000 of these were not voluntary. This is criminal .

Hard cases make bad laws . None of us like to see people suffer , but none of us should have the right to assist in their suicide .

this is all part and parcel of the same broad master plan to deny selected groups of people the right to life, and in it's many forms it has reared it's ugly head before.
Good for Scotland for seeing through the smoke and mirrors tricks, and for rejecting such a plan!

What the people who support such a plan fail to realize is that once such a bill is passed, there will be no one to speak up for them when they reach the state of being old and infirm.
Indeed, reaching such a state will become an automatic death sentence.

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