Why is America not in Bible Prophecy?

Chicken Little · Jul 6, 2015

vinsight4u said:
The 144,000 are not Christians, nor become Christians during the great tribulation,
as then they would be raptured to heaven after the 7th trumpet sounds.
They are just like back in the days of Ezekiel - ones that will restart Israel
back in her land once the troubles are over.
Revelation 14:1...Revelation 14:2 shows they will be redeemed on the earth -among
men. not among -angels - the elders - four beasts
They will learn a song that comes down out of heaven.

Revelation 4:4 is not the raptured church/nor OT saints immortal. They can't even get any crowns until the day of the Lord which starts in the 6th seal. Hebrews tells
that the OT saints -they - won't be made perfect without us. Hebrews 11:40

Revelation 4 -and the first part of Rev. 5 shows the Redeemer was still being
looked for.
Revelation 5:8 "And when he had taken the book,....Revelation 5:9.

Rev. 7:9 are those martyred for Jesus Christ -after the great tribulation started. That means they were martyrs found from before the sun went black in the 6th seal and the stars of heaven fell.

I think nothing happens during the seals they are only proclamations and releasing his authority like any lawful king would and should. nothing happens until the last seal only because it is the start of the Trumpets. trumpets is not only for his people but warning for those who are not his.

vinsight4u · Jul 6, 2015

Winepress777 · Jul 6, 2015

vinsight4u said:
God is not done with the Israeli people. Jews - do not have a new name yet.
Isaiah 65:19
Tells how the voice of weeping will no more be heard in Jerusalem.
God has created Jerusalem anew. no more crying there - no more an
infant of days, the lion will eat straw
This is not about the church, but about the land of Jerusalem/Israel that will
be made desolate and created over afterwards. They shall not hurt, nor
destroy in His holy mountain. These people will have offspring. They are not
changed -immortal saints. They are not the righteous sheep given eternal life
before the new heaven and new earth time. God has brought ounishments
upon them - He measured their former work unto them, but when they cried
He heard them. He even recompensed the iniquities of their fathers unto them.
Isaiah 65:7
Deuteronomy 32:21 shows how God would have the church, but we are what makes
Israel jealous. There will also come a foolish nation that will make Israel angry.
God will repent of the some of the evil of that time - the seven thunders section.
It was sealed up.

New wine shows that God is going to not destroy them all.
He will raise the nation back up.
new wine - one saith - destroy it not
This is not new wine preaching from the pulpit.
It is wine from vineyard/s.
The nation will prosper again.

I didn't say God was done with the Israeli people. I said we are Israel, to whom all those prophecies have been received. Through Christ. Yes, I'm filled with His New Wine. The Blood of Christ is the New Wine. God didn't destroy me. All the scriptures are true. But Israel is us. Not some antichrist who murdered her husband without repentance even unto this day. To say that harlot in the middle east is Israel is heresy. Ask Jesus who THEY are...

(Joh 8:44) Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
(Joh 8:45) And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not.

(Rev 3:9) Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.

Is your vote with the synagogue of satan? Or with me and the rest of the Israel Bride of Christ?

n2thelight · Jul 7, 2015

Babylon is a system that all who worship the beast shall be in....That's why we are told to come out of her

Revelation 18:3 "For all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies

Revelation 18:4 "And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues."

Revelation 18:8 "Therefore shall her plagues come in one day, death, and mourning, and famine, and she shall utterly burn with fire: for strong is the Lord God who judgeth her."

In "one day", the "day of the Lord" is at the last trumpet and all those in Satan's camp will wake up to see they are married to the wrong man, spiritually speaking. The "fire" that consumes them is a spiritual fire, filled with shame and disgrace. It is a "spiritual fire", for on that day they will all be changed into their spiritual bodies. They gave the garment of their works over to their husband, Satan the false Christ, and now they stand naked as a Jay-bird before Christ, on that day. They were untrue to the Son of the Living God. This change from flesh to the spiritual body is discussed by the Apostle Paul in I Corinthians 15:50-54.

n2thelight · Jul 7, 2015

vinsight4u said:
God is not done with the Israeli people. Jews - do not have a new name yet.
Isaiah 65:19
Tells how the voice of weeping will no more be heard in Jerusalem.
God has created Jerusalem anew. no more crying there - no more an
infant of days, the lion will eat straw
This is not about the church, but about the land of Jerusalem/Israel that will
be made desolate and created over afterwards. They shall not hurt, nor
destroy in His holy mountain. These people will have offspring. They are not
changed -immortal saints. They are not the righteous sheep given eternal life
before the new heaven and new earth time. God has brought ounishments
upon them - He measured their former work unto them, but when they cried
He heard them. He even recompensed the iniquities of their fathers unto them.
Isaiah 65:7
Deuteronomy 32:21 shows how God would have the church, but we are what makes
Israel jealous. There will also come a foolish nation that will make Israel angry.
God will repent of the some of the evil of that time - the seven thunders section.
It was sealed up.

New wine shows that God is going to not destroy them all.
He will raise the nation back up.
new wine - one saith - destroy it not
This is not new wine preaching from the pulpit.
It is wine from vineyard/s.
The nation will prosper again.

I take it you think only Jew's made up Israel?Therein lies your problem!!!!!!!!

Straightshot · Jul 7, 2015

"I think nothing happens during the seals they are only proclamations"

The seals of the scroll are portents [previews] of the judgments to come

The scroll of the judgments will not open until the Lord removes all of the seals

America may or may not be the "great city" of the Gentiles .... it depends upon how close the world is to the time of the end ... if close, then I would have to say yes

MBG is the Lord's view of the entire lost world at the time of the end .... and this setting has a "great city" part that He will specifically target for fatal destruction at the beginning of the tribulation period [Revelation 8:6-12; 14:8; 17:16-18; 18:1-21]

vinsight4u · Jul 11, 2015

Straightshot · Jul 11, 2015

"The 144,000 are not Christians"

Really? ..... what is your definition of a Christian?

They are the first of Israel to turn to the Lord in the tribulation

Revelation
14:1 And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads.

14:2 And I heard a voice from heaven, as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of a great thunder: and I heard the voice of harpers harping with their harps:

14:3 And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth.

14:4 These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb.

vinsight4u · Jul 11, 2015

Straightshot · Jul 11, 2015

"I think nothing happens during the seals they are only proclamations and releasing his authority like any lawful king would and should. nothing happens until the last seal only because it is the start of the Trumpets."

You are correct .... the seals are not the actual tribulation events, but previews of the prevalent conditions of the same

Chicken Little · Jul 11, 2015

vinsight4u said:
John is called to a place to see. He is called there by first one of the four beasts, then
another, then another. With the third seal, a different thing happens, as now even though only three have called him to come and see this place of events-four are
in that place. It should be one of those four beasts has remained yet in heaven. We find that is not the case. All
four of the four beasts are together in the time of the third seal. John did not say that
any of the 24 elders were there or even the Lamb was there. John has been called to
a place and he watched riders. But in the third seal, he not only sees a rider but hears
a voice. When the time of the fourth seal opens, John does not say that heard the
fourth beast tell him come, but says - the voice.
Revelation 6:2
Revelation 6:3
Revelation 6:6///a voice
Revelation 6:7////the voice

The trumpets do not sound in Revelation 8. That is just what
angels showed up in John's sight. It was the seven angels
that stood before God and were given seven trumpets.
We could see it this way---It was the Revelation 7 sealing angels set.
They stood before God and were given seven trumpets.
This is why John did not introduce them in Rev. 8 as being a new set of angels
that he just saw for the first time.

the seven angels
/means - they have been in action already
Go find out where. Discover the mystery. Solve the puzzle.
Put the pieces in their proper order.

yes your right , if you mean this , I will agree that the 7 angels with 7 trumpets are the angels of 7 churches , only those churches who know what trumpets are for or what they mean .
and when the 7trumpet happens , it all falls down. with a foot on the land and one on the sea.

vinsight4u · Jul 11, 2015

toLiJC · Jul 11, 2015

Ranting said:
Bible prophecy reveals much about the end times, yet the United States seems conspicuously absent from the geopolitical picture foretold by the prophets.
Given the seeming nearness of Christ's return, this is difficult for most people to understand.
After all, the United States is currently the most powerful and influential nation on earth. How then can it play no role in end time events?
Where Is America In Bible Prophecy?
The fact is neither America nor the United States are mentioned by name in bible prophecy.

if the Bible is viewed from that your viewpoint, there will be many more countries that are not mentioned in the Bible, but the biblical terms(words and phrases) are very special, and their meanings are different from the meanings of the words and phrases presented in the dictionaries and encyclopedias, because the Bible is a book about the spiritual things and the things considered from the viewpoint of the faith

1 Corinthians 2:12-13 "we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God. Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual."

and this is also the meaning of the biblical words "prophesy" and "prophecy"

Blessings

vinsight4u · Jul 11, 2015

Straightshot · Jul 11, 2015

"See how it says -a Lamb?
John is no longer seeing the same Lamb description where he told us of
a Lamb in Rev. 5."

Jesus is always the "Lamb" in Revelation's unfolding .... and the 144000 are the first saved of Israel in the coming tribulation

This thread is about whether the USA is seen in Bible prophecy

Ranting · Jul 11, 2015

The 144,000 are not Christians> Well The bride of Christ is in Heaven with the Bridegroom and 144,000 are jews that are sealed by God. You can call them what you will but not the church!Enjoy

interpreter · Jul 12, 2015

Straightshot said:
"The 144,000 are not Christians"

Really? ..... what is your definition of a Christian?

They are the first of Israel to turn to the Lord in the tribulation

Revelation
14:1 And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads.

14:2 And I heard a voice from heaven, as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of a great thunder: and I heard the voice of harpers harping with their harps:

14:3 And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth.

14:4 These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb.

The 144,000 sealed from harm are the 144,000 single male Jews who escaped the great tribulation of WW II by fleeing to the Holy Land where they founded the new nation of Israel.

Straightshot · Jul 12, 2015

"The 144,000 sealed from harm are the 144,000 single male Jews who escaped the great tribulation of WW II by fleeing to the Holy Land where they founded the new nation of Israel."

Delusional comment .... no truth to it

You are attempting to apply some sort of historical exegesis to Revelation

Ranting · Jul 12, 2015

Who are the 144,000 in Revelation 7?

These are Jews not just in Israel or America but from all over the world chosen, sealed to evangelize the world during the tribulation period. They will communicate to people in every language in each country fulfilling Mt.24:14: “after these things” those who come out of the tribulation are the result of their evangelizing. The Bible teaches they are “sealed” on earth during the “great tribulation,” at the 7th seal when God’s wrath is to come on planet earth. So 6 seals have already been opened. Rev.7:7-9 explains that the great multitude are Gentiles (including Jews) from all the nations who listen to their preaching accept the gospel and turn away from the false Messiah.
Who are they? Rev 7:4 “And I heard the number of those who were sealed. One hundred and forty-four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel were sealed:
All the tribes are mentioned. Any good Bible student knows we cannot change the literal to figurative to fit our preconceived ideas in doctrine. There must be a consistency for our interpretation. The word tribes is always used in Scripture of literal ethnic groups. Children of Israel- are Jews (no gentiles). The term is consistently used of the people of Israel distinguished from Gentiles, so they cannot be Gentiles. Gen. 32 onward this term is consistently used of those with Jewish descent, so it cannot be applied to Gentiles.
Exodus 1:1-5: “Now these are the names of the children of Israel who came to Egypt; each man and his household came with Jacob: Reuben, Simeon, Levi, and Judah; Issachar, Zebulun, and Benjamin; Dan, Naphtali, Gad, and Asher. All those who were descendants of Jacob were seventy persons (for Joseph was in Egypt already).”
They are Jews by birthright, they do not become “spiritual Israel”as some teach.We may not know who these people are but God does, He is the one that chooses them and seals them for ministry. All this demands a literal interpretation of the passage. If we take the terms used foe great crowd “of all nations, tribes, peoples, and tongues” (Rev 7:9, same term used in Rev.5:9) to be literal, what would be the reason we do not take “Israel” to be literal?

vinsight4u · Jul 12, 2015

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