Matthew 24:30 Coming In The Clouds

"Wrong. All the horsemen of the Revelation are brought by the Lord. Like I indicated
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Sorry, but your Constantine rant is bogus .... no truth to it

Actually borders on being funny

This rant is not only extra-biblical, but there is no truthful connecting evidence from the historical record

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Then He will bring the purging fire 2 Peter 3:10; Revelation 20:9-10 .... the "thief will come" to begin His Day of the Lord "in which" ..... which will include many events and continue until all are consummated .... all prophetic scripture must be retained and not just discarded for supporting post-tribulational thinking

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He will come "as a thief" to the ungodly.

1Th 4:15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.

1Th 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

1Th 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

1Th 4:18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words.


1Th 5:1 But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you.
The word "But" connects it to the previous passage.

1Th 5:2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.

1Th 5:10 Who died for us, that, whether we wake or sleep, we should live together with him.
This verse connects chapter 5 to chapter 4.


2Pe 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

2Pe 3:11Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,

2Pe 3:12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?

2Pe 3:13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

2Pe 3:14 Wherefore, beloved, seeing that ye look for such things, be diligent that ye may be found of him in peace, without spot, and blameless. Written to the Church


Rev 16:15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.

Rev 16:16 And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.


If you throw out the, 2 Peoples/ 2 Purposes/ 2 Kingdoms/ 2 ways of Salvation (Grace and later Law Keeping)/ Scripture "Rightly Divided" into 2 Parts/ 2 Second Comings of Christ + Soul Sleep doctrine, the sequence is clear.

If you continue to use Darby, and Scofield as your navigators, you will continue to run aground.

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Your story has gotten very old and moldy .... as if you want to invoke an argument

Sorry, no feeding for you

Straightshot said:

"Wrong. All the horsemen of the Revelation are brought by the Lord. Like I indicated
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Sorry, but your Constantine rant is bogus .... no truth to it

Actually borders on being funny

This rant is not only extra-biblical, but there is no truthful connecting evidence from the historical record

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You are the one who is funny. All of the world history books say the appearance of the sign of Christ in the sky in 312 AD marks the turning point of history because ever since that day Christian nations have been the dominant force on earth. (And they will be to the end).

Constantine hatched a big lie with ulterior motive

His alleged experience is not recorded in any scripture of the Lord's Word

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Experts have concluded that Jesus probably stood 5'7" or 5'8", the common height of the 1st century era.
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Now if Jesus is supposed to come visibly and bodily at some future time, in the clouds according to futurists and literalists?

How can the whole earth see a 5'7" man floating in the skies? Above Jerusalem?

But not only in the skies but also in the clouds? Where you live and stand at this very minute, can you see anything above the skies of Jerusalem?[/QUOTE]

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Dan_2:35 Then was the iron, the clay, the brass, the silver, and the gold, broken to pieces together, and became like the chaff of the summer threshingfloors; and the wind carried them away, that no place was found for them: and the stone that smote the image became a great mountain, and filled the whole earth.

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Straightshot said:

Constantine hatched a big lie with ulterior motive

His alleged experience is not recorded in any scripture of the Lord's Word

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It was no lie. Every eye saw the sign of the Son of Man in the clouds. If it was too cloudy, they soon saw it on Roman armor and Roman coins, and in Church art. You can see it too, with any star-tracking software. Just set the date for Oct. 27th, 312 AD. That night, St. Constantine, who had a Christian mother, had a dream about the sign and in the dream Jesus appeared to him and said, "By this, conquer." Constantine obeyed Jesus.

The guy made up his story for political ambitions

There is no proof of his made up experience

And you cannot give one scripture that record's it

Straightshot said:

The guy made up his story for political ambitions

There is no proof of his made up experience

And you cannot give one scripture that record's it

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I have given you many examples of Constantine fulfilling prophecy. And Constantine sent his messengers with a trumpet and gathered the elect of all the Church together, to Nicea.

Wild stuff above .... no proof, no scriptural support

The further you go the more absurd you get

Constantine and his successors also established the 7 golden lampstands of the first vision which are seven Patriarchates of the Church established to give light to the seven parts of the earth. They are pointed to by seven vectors of the starguide Jesus provided to guide the reader to all the good things foretold.

More wild stuff .... not found in scripture

You are getting these ideas from you religious affiliation consisting mostly of the traditions of men .... additions to the Bible's presentation of truth

Straightshot said:

You are getting these ideas from you religious affiliation consisting mostly of the traditions of men .... additions to the Bible's presentation of truth

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projection
pro·jec·tion
prəˈjekSH(ə)n/
noun
The attribution of one's own ideas, feelings, beliefs, practices or attitudes to other people or to objects; especially: the externalization of blame, guilt, or responsibility as a defense against ones personal anxiety acquired by privately holding or employing certain views/beliefs/motivations that one publicly espouses to shun and abhor.

Projection tends to come to the fore in normal people at times of crisis, personal or political but is more commonly found in the neurotic or psychotic in personalities functioning at a primitive level as in narcissistic personality disorder or borderline personality disorder.

Straightshot said:

And He can appear and disappear at will .... move in and out of the material world in a flash

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And He couldn't do these things while he was on earth in His, as you said, "puny 5'7" body"?

Straightshot said:

More wild stuff .... not found in scripture

You are getting these ideas from you religious affiliation consisting mostly of the traditions of men .... additions to the Bible's presentation of truth

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LOL. Everything I say is based on scripture and historical facts. And I get everything I say from my personal studies, and nothing from my religious affiliation. Christians have been ruling the earth and killing the enemies of Jesus (as commanded in Luke 19:27) since the sign of the Son of Man appeared in the clouds in 312 AD.

wow. I understand this thread was made to discredit the bible but it gave me confirmation of something I saw.
when I was spending time with God I saw I was suddenly in a mountain like area it was like a really gloomy dark cloud place there was mountains in every direction and I looked to the north and saw a giant massive scary storm coming with massive dark clouds and lighting and thunder, I don't know what this storm was I only knew it was something really bad coming our way and at a fast paste but atop of these clouds I saw Jesus riding them.

"since the sign of the Son of Man appeared in the clouds in 312 AD."

Where is your proof and the historical record of this event?

The scriptures record the event along with many related events .... none of which have ever happened yet

Constantine made up a story

Straightshot said:

Where is your proof and the historical record of this event?

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Why should he provide you with that?

You have never, ever...no, not EVER, provided your "proof or historical record" for prophesies you believe are already fulfilled.
Not even once, ever, have you done so. Nope.
Why should he, or anyone, provide you with the kind of "historical record" support for their claims which you are unable, unwilling and outright refuse to produce to support yours?

It would be funny if it weren't so sad.

Sorry P, but I told you that I am not going to dialogue with you until you change your crass behavior .... I meant what I said


.... and the poster above does need to prove the Constantine ruse with scripture and with documented historical evidence

He cannot do this .... the king made up his story for political/religious ambition with the Catholic church

Straightshot said:

"since the sign of the Son of Man appeared in the clouds in 312 AD."

Where is your proof and the historical record of this event?

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It is in all the world history books that the sign of Christ appeared in the sky on Oct.27th, 312 AD. They call that event the turning point of history because ever since then, Christian nations have been the dominant force on earth.

The scriptures record the event along with many related events .... none of which have ever happened yet

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Wrong. As prophesied, the appearance of the sign of the Son of Man in the clouds followed the great tribulation suffered by the early Church (at the hands of pagan Rome, the 6th head of Satan)

Constantine made up a story

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Every eye saw it. You too can see it, with any star-tracking software. Just set the date to Oct. 27, 312 AD.